Wolverine 43

i think we all need to just say whoa and step back here for a minute.. its like ppl hear the word immortal and they go crazy or something.. now here's the deal. wolverine isnt truly immortal like "the eternals" immortal or "celestials" immortal....or "elders" what he is is...wait for it....virtually immortal...(virtually, the qualifyer that makes everything better..aaahhh)

as a result of his accerated healing, if he chooses not to fight, he could easily out live the entire human race... cuz even tho no one really puts stock in handbooks, or internet profiles, when it comes to ppl w/healing factors it usually says something like they can die only " if a significant portion of their bodily molecules are scattered, thus preventing them from regenerating vital areas of their anatomy essential to survival." so if it makes anybody feel better in the pic if im not mistaken his eyes were still red and beady as usual, so maybe thats where the cells were recruited from to revive him,

though i must say that i whole heartedly agree, that he couldnt have done it so quickly..seeing as how the same thing happened to him in that venom series(where he was nuked) and it took him all day and most of the night to come back..and how in the punisher, when frank RPG'd him in the guts. and everyhting from below his rib cage to above his knee was blown out it took him all day and a lot of hysterical freaking out for him to heal up in a bath tub in some ratty apartment.

on another note to something tossed up a few pages back.. mystique is very old. in her own comics she mentions that she used to date Oscar Wilde..OW is a writer and novelist who was born in 1854. so even if they had the same birthday(which i suspect she's even older than that,) she would be 154 right now. she is another character thats tricky and ambiguous, she doesnt have an uber healing factor like other mutants, but there's a slight one there, but the crux of her longevity is becuz she's a changeling..meaning that becuz her molecules are in constant flux, they dont degenerate..and if cells dont die they dont age..so she has literally stopped aging completely, and if she decided to go off into the mountains and never fight or put her life in any danger of being killed she could outlive everyone on earth too

Originally posted by inamilist
excellent way to make people trying to have a serious conversation take you seriously

it also shows how grown up you are

Yes, this particular instance is probably PIS given the new author, the fact that it is the middle of a HUGE company wide cross over, and isnt wolvie going to fight namor soon? maybe they are just giving him a little boost so it isnt as much of a blowout

I would also like you to find a powerset of any hero that accuratly follows the laws of science. Saying that a hero shouldn't be able to do something because it is impossible in the real world is redundant. Of course it cant be done in the real world, thats why we read it in comics.

and for the record, i dont think anyone is saying the nitro regen feat was not PIS

Your argument now is his powers arent achually his powers? In fact, I don't think there is a coherent version of WHAT wolverine's powers are or their limits, given the shadowy orgins of the character. The mystery about who or what he is has become an integral part of the character.

I also dont understand your reference to being offended. The powerset of a fictional character offends you? do you know what offended means? If this is serious you probably DO have issues in seperating fiction from reality as you have commited much to much of your psyche to involvement with a fictitious world and how you deem it must be run.

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I dont think marvel has ever attempted to explain in detail how wolverine works. It would lose them lots of money. Sure, they could, but the fans LIKE the mystery.

They dont explain it for LITERARY purposes. It adds effect and depth to a character. The fact that you are upset by this shows that you dont understand art at all.

Out of only my deep concern for your mental well being, please dont read anything else about wolverine. You obviously have devoted too much of your energy into the character in such a negative way that it appears to be causing you discomfort or harm.

Please remember that if you dont like something, you dont have to participate in it. If wolverine so obviously hated by you, why not do ANYTHING ELSE but read about him?

This was a very mature, awesome and informative rebuttal inamilist. The post before it wasn't bad either 😉 .

Although I've had my probs with wolverine in the past, due to him only being classifed as being a mutant with enhanced strength/reflexes/speed etc. I still like his character, despite 43, and I must now admit when it comes to debates about his powers he is capable of pretty amazing things. The writers of Wolverine 43, IMO, are morons. But like you point out it's just a comic and to see such ridiculous feats of unbelievability is all part of the entertainment factor of it all. There's no need to get all wound up about it. Again, great post.

Originally posted by capt it up
actually yes that is stated lol. His adamtium when bonded to his skeleton changed two a whole new type of adamtium that allowed the bones to remain doing there normal functions such as cellure growth

This is news to me. Wouldn't this new blend of adamantium and bone be less dense and therefore weaker than pure adamantium? Pure adamantium is the strongest metal there is and any mixture of it with anything weakens it's properties of stability. So, if this is the case, then tell me why Wolverine's bones are considered to be indestructible?

Either his bones are made of pure adamantium and they are indestructible and not bonded with his bones in some sort of organic function, or they are bonded together, and have some sort of organic properties, but are not indestructible and susceptible to breaking if sufficienct force is applied. Since secondary adamantium, which I think is bonded with some other sort of metal, is considered to be significantly weaker than pure adamantium where would that rank adamantium bonded with bone on the the hardness factor?

Originally posted by manjaro
i think we all need to just say whoa and step back here for a minute.. its like ppl hear the word immortal and they go crazy or something.. now here's the deal. wolverine isnt truly immortal like "the eternals" immortal or "celestials" immortal....or "elders" what he is is...wait for it....virtually immortal...(virtually, the qualifyer that makes everything better..aaahhh)

as a result of his accerated healing, if he chooses not to fight, he could easily out live the entire human race... cuz even tho no one really puts stock in handbooks, or internet profiles, when it comes to ppl w/healing factors it usually says something like they can die only " if a significant portion of their bodily molecules are scattered, thus preventing them from regenerating vital areas of their anatomy essential to survival." so if it makes anybody feel better in the pic if im not mistaken his eyes were still red and beady as usual, so maybe thats where the cells were recruited from to revive him,

though i must say that i whole heartedly agree, that he couldnt have done it so quickly..seeing as how the same thing happened to him in that venom series(where he was nuked) and it took him all day and most of the night to come back..and how in the punisher, when frank RPG'd him in the guts. and everyhting from below his rib cage to above his knee was blown out it took him all day and a lot of hysterical freaking out for him to heal up in a bath tub in some ratty apartment.

on another note to something tossed up a few pages back.. mystique is very old. in her own comics she mentions that she used to date Oscar Wilde..OW is a writer and novelist who was born in 1854. so even if they had the same birthday(which i suspect she's even older than that,) she would be 154 right now. she is another character thats tricky and ambiguous, she doesnt have an uber healing factor like other mutants, but there's a slight one there, but the crux of her longevity is becuz she's a changeling..meaning that becuz her molecules are in constant flux, they dont degenerate..and if cells dont die they dont age..so she has literally stopped aging completely, and if she decided to go off into the mountains and never fight or put her life in any danger of being killed she could outlive everyone on earth too

clap wow.. good post..

i will say this though.. when wolverine took that nuke.. it was AFTER he already regenerated from nothing but a skeleton in about the same timeframe he did here..so it's safe to say his healing factor was already pretty taxed out.. I mean it's bull shit either way but I just thought I'd point that out....

otherwise.. great post... see.. if you had more posts like this you'd be on a LOT more member respect threads lists.. 😛

Originally posted by meep-meep
This is news to me. Wouldn't this new blend of adamantium and bone be less dense and therefore weaker than pure adamantium? Pure adamantium is the strongest metal there is and any mixture of it with anything weakens it's properties of stability. So, if this is the case, then tell me why Wolverine's bones are considered to be indestructible?

Either his bones are made of pure adamantium and they are indestructible and not bonded with his bones in some sort of organic function, or they are bonded together, and have some sort of organic properties, but are not indestructible and susceptible to breaking if sufficienct force is applied. Since secondary adamantium, which I think is bonded with some other sort of metal, is considered to be significantly weaker than pure adamantium where would that rank adamantium bonded with bone on the the hardness factor?

So that throws out the idea that pure adamntium is the strongest substance on Marvel Earth....?

well i don't know about that.. I mean.. honestly.. i wouldn't put it past hulk to break admantium... and since wolverine's skeleton as been described as pure admantium and hulk as failed to break it.. well maybe the rumors still stands...

Originally posted by meep-meep
So that throws out the idea that pure adamntium is the strongest substance on Marvel Earth....?

Yeah, Cap's shield is stronger.

I think Thor might have dented it though.

Originally posted by jinzin
well i don't know about that.. I mean.. honestly.. i wouldn't put it past hulk to break admantium... and since wolverine's skeleton as been described as pure admantium and hulk as failed to break it.. well maybe the rumors still stands...

So than is Wolverines skel pure adamantium or not?? If it is it is indestructable if not than it isn't right? I'm sorry I guess I'm trying to apply RW physics here and Im not really going to get anywhere with it for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Cap's shield is stronger, I think, the fellow who created it has stated that the closest he could come is adamantium, but it's not quite as strong.

The point i'm trying to get at isn't whether or not adamantium is the strongest material but that adamantium composed of an adamantium/bone alloy isn't logically as strong as the pure thing. Get me?

it bonded to become a substance called adamantium beta

i cant think of anything even remotely similar in real life, so we could speculate for ever about what properties it should or shouldn't have

I'll take the fact that marvel says X to mean X. I mean, even in that write up they say adamantium can survive a nuclear blast, when i say, no matter what, realistically, its hogwash.

They said its unbreakable metal on his bones. Therefore, it is unbreakable metal on his bones (im nly assumeing its been stated that his bones are unbreakable.... boy would i look dumb...)

Originally posted by meep-meep

The point i'm trying to get at isn't whether or not adamantium is the strongest material but that adamantium composed of an adamantium/bone alloy isn't logically as strong as the pure thing. Get me?

ive been trying to think of ANYTHING to compare this to for a better understnading

some compounds, when bonded, become stronger (steel/bronze) others ya, would loose their strength.

Since there isnt a chemical formula avaliable for adamantium, any real world hypothesies are impossible.

From wolverine vol 2? #80 (im still confuesd on the volumes thing, i think my vol 2 was just mislabled as vol 1)

best on pannel discussion of it

im outa here for now, ill read the arc later and see if there is anything else to show

well as far as adamantium beta is concerned i think its just weaker comparative to true adamantanium, but it is still by and large the strongest substance on earth... key word earth... rou're not gonna believe this but i have an old herc comic where when he went galxay trotting he smashed up a space ship made of strong-anium, and it was proported to be the strongest in the galazy....just thought i'd throw that in😄

Originally posted by manjaro
i think we all need to just say whoa and step back here for a minute.. its like ppl hear the word immortal and they go crazy or something.. now here's the deal. wolverine isnt truly immortal like "the eternals" immortal or "celestials" immortal....or "elders" what he is is...wait for it....virtually immortal...(virtually, the qualifyer that makes everything better..aaahhh)

as a result of his accerated healing, if he chooses not to fight, he could easily out live the entire human race... cuz even tho no one really puts stock in handbooks, or internet profiles, when it comes to ppl w/healing factors it usually says something like they can die only " if a significant portion of their bodily molecules are scattered, thus preventing them from regenerating vital areas of their anatomy essential to survival." so if it makes anybody feel better in the pic if im not mistaken his eyes were still red and beady as usual, so maybe thats where the cells were recruited from to revive him,

though i must say that i whole heartedly agree, that he couldnt have done it so quickly..seeing as how the same thing happened to him in that venom series(where he was nuked) and it took him all day and most of the night to come back..and how in the punisher, when frank RPG'd him in the guts. and everyhting from below his rib cage to above his knee was blown out it took him all day and a lot of hysterical freaking out for him to heal up in a bath tub in some ratty apartment.

on another note to something tossed up a few pages back.. mystique is very old. in her own comics she mentions that she used to date Oscar Wilde..OW is a writer and novelist who was born in 1854. so even if they had the same birthday(which i suspect she's even older than that,) she would be 154 right now. she is another character thats tricky and ambiguous, she doesnt have an uber healing factor like other mutants, but there's a slight one there, but the crux of her longevity is becuz she's a changeling..meaning that becuz her molecules are in constant flux, they dont degenerate..and if cells dont die they dont age..so she has literally stopped aging completely, and if she decided to go off into the mountains and never fight or put her life in any danger of being killed she could outlive everyone on earth too

Anyway I don't think anyone was doubting he has longevity. However there were implications of (virtual) immortality in the "cannot die" rather than the "does not age" sense. The former sense being wrong.

On adamantium - there are stronger substances in both Marvel and DC earth.

Originally posted by inamilist

From wolverine vol 2? #80 (im still confuesd on the volumes thing, i think my vol 2 was just mislabled as vol 1)

best on pannel discussion of it

im outa here for now, ill read the arc later and see if there is anything else to show

Vol 1 was only 4 issues and done by Frank Miller and it was dope Sh1t.👆

also, keep in mind that the grade of adamantium used on wolverine's bones [adamantium beta notwithstanding] is referred to as "grade a" adamantium. the majority of the adamantium in the marvel universe is not grade a, but rather a weaker derivative labeled "grade b" and so on. it is much easier to reproduce, is relatively as durable as it's progenitor [when compared to the various other metals,] and can be bought and sold by any character any writer wants to have it. it's a plot point, these days.

aside from this "adamantium beta" gibberish, many people have simply decided that the "covered in adamantium"/"bonded with adamantium" issue can be solved by including both. the bone bonded with the metal on a molecular level at the surface and contact points, but the outside of the bone are covered entirely in pure adamantium; hence their indestructibility. as far as i know, this adamantium beta stuff has mostly been ignored or washed aside in and out of the comic context. i'm surprised the idea even made it into a handbook.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Sentry is whole differnt subject altogether. Without getting too much into it, He has the power of a million exploding suns or some crap like that. If thats the case I dont see why he would be hurt by the sun.

He absorbs Solar radiation (Which i also believe contains heat) ergo the sun holds no more problem to him then a bath would.

Originally posted by Disappear
also, keep in mind that the grade of adamantium used on wolverine's bones [adamantium beta notwithstanding] is referred to as "grade a" adamantium. the majority of the adamantium in the marvel universe is not grade a, but rather a weaker derivative labeled "grade b" and so on. it is much easier to reproduce, is relatively as durable as it's progenitor [when compared to the various other metals,] and can be bought and sold by any character any writer wants to have it. it's a plot point, these days.

aside from this "adamantium beta" gibberish, many people have simply decided that the "covered in adamantium"/"bonded with adamantium" issue can be solved by including both. the bone bonded with the metal on a molecular level at the surface and contact points, but the outside of the bone are covered entirely in pure adamantium; hence their indestructibility. as far as i know, this adamantium beta stuff has mostly been ignored or washed aside in and out of the comic context. i'm surprised the idea even made it into a handbook.

Originally posted by Black Adam

I just read it ........... 😐............... that's it..... i quit!...... no more comics for me........ Wolverine (and his team of writers) have just removed the last shred of realism from the world of comics

All that remains for me now is to track down the writers and artists to see if they can regenerate from burned out skeletons

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