Originally posted by H. S. 6
The majority of characters have died and been brought back to dead.What you're saying means that almost everybody in comics might be immortal. 🙄
Originally posted by King KAM
oh my god.... you FANBOY FROM HELL!!!!!if you dont see the redicilousness in this than....please just say you see it...he had no cells the regenerate from...he was a skeleton......he was gone man...
all cap said is that wolverine's done similar things like this in the past.. and to be perfectly honest.. he has.. so.. 😕
Originally posted by capt it upMystique first met Irene Adler at the dawn of the 20th century. She's depicted as an adult. She's at least 120 years old if not moreso.
mystigue was not in here coems tommarrow. she also only 60. she less then haft woleverines age.No wolverine was no older in here comes tommarrow.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
U said it, bones. His bones are covered in adamantium, tehre is no way that even if there were any cells in them they could penetretae the adamantium.
wolverine adamatium does not stop wolverines nateral bone function such as cellure grother and so on.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Mystique first met Irene Adler at the dawn of the 20th century. She's depicted as an adult. She's at least 120 years old if not moreso.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Tell me issue numbers or type exact quotes thenFact is he was killed, and had to be ressurected by the Hand
no the hand resurrected him.. this doesn't dictate that he "had" to be resurrected by the hand... anywho that's a false dychotomy... but seriously... wolverine's been "killed" 3 times off the top of my head and he keeps comin back... so that's not a very solid argument...
Originally posted by capt it upExcerpt from UXN.net: Mystique’s largely unknown early history began with her meeting of Irene Adler, who would later be known as Destiny. Irene hired the “detective” Raven Darkholme to help decipher her precognitive diaries and, as stated later, they “became partners.” This is likely a thinly veiled reference to the fact that the women became lovers at some point, though it is not known exactly when. The time period in which they met isn’t clear either, though it seems to have been at the turn of the 20th century, or even earlier. [X-Treme X-Men #1]
dude she not 120. give me the comic number and title I will look it up but I know for a fact she younger then wolverine by a pritty good deal.
In 1936, a time-traveling Kitty Pryde met up with Mystique and Destiny, who at that time already knew Logan and attempted to dissuade her from assassinating Hitler. [X-Men: True Friends #3]
Irene Adler is the same name as a character who was involved with the detective Sherlock Holmes circa late 1800s in the novels. Get the allusion?
Originally posted by capt it up
weapon x Noval. is were doctor cornnelious states that he picked wolverine for the project becuase he immortalagain ur assumeing he would not of come back to life on his own, which is no accurate a assumption
EXACT quote, what did he say? and Noval?...what?
Ummmm...hardly as clear as day he was killed off and had to be ressurected. You have no bases of him being immortal at all, your the one making all the assumptions.
Originally posted by jinzin
well I'm not saying that something like this shouldn't have killed him casue.. well that's obvious.. but his bio has always been wrong about the rate of his healing factor... the bio used to state he couldn't regenerate organs.. the bio was wrong. I would put about as much faith in the bio that I would in this feat.. that's all.
Wolverine has gotten a upgrade in healing, but it didn't say he couldn't regenerare organs just said he would die of he lost vital ones.
Originally posted by jinzin
no the hand resurrected him.. this doesn't dictate that he "had" to be resurrected by the hand... anywho that's a false dychotomy... but seriously... wolverine's been "killed" 3 times off the top of my head and he keeps comin back... so that's not a very solid argument...
Yeah I said the Hand resurrected him, and sure handbooks are wrong but saying someone isn't immortal when they are would be a huge mistake.
When has he been killed off?
Originally posted by King_Mungi
EXACT quote, what did he say? and Noval?...what?Ummmm...hardly as clear as day he was killed off and had to be ressurected. You have no bases of him being immortal at all, your the one making all the assumptions.
as if you're not making assumption..
just because wolverine died does not dictate that he HAD to be ressurected.. unless you have undisputable proof that STATES otherwise.. then stop making that claim cause until then you're just another case of the pot calling the kettle black, and we all know how productive that is...
in weapon x: the novel (BOOK)... dr. cornelious states that wolverine was choosen for the admantium bondig process because wolverine's (might be) immortal... he questions if it's true and ponders it, and there are vague references that he is, the point is that the book, definitely opens that venue up as a possibility.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wolverine has gotten a upgrade in healing, but it didn't say he couldn't regenerare organs just said he would die of he lost vital ones.
older handbooks state that he couldn't "regenerate" lost organs.. that's obviously not true...
and neither is your statment.. logan's heart has exploded, his brain got shot, ALL of his torso's organs have been crushed by the hulk.. there's too much evidence for either statement to be true.. and that's just cold hard facts.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah I said the Hand resurrected him, and sure handbooks are wrong but saying someone isn't immortal when they are would be a huge mistake.When has he been killed off?
you also said he HAD to be resurrected by the hand.. that's a false statment unless you have proof that states otherwise...
he was dead after the magneto incident..
he was killed during the venom ongoing series...
and his vital functions ceased in a cross over with cap...
he also was killed when his heart was exploded from the inside during secret war....
on all occasions he came back without outside interference..
in x-men annual 11, he regenerates from a drop of blood granted a plot device.. but he attests the resurrection to his healing factor..
in wolverine 32 the german officer states that wolverine was killed multiple times.. he kept coming back...
Originally posted by jinzin
as if you're not making assumption..just because wolverine died does not dictate that he HAD to be ressurected.. unless you have undisputable proof that STATES otherwise.. then stop making that claim cause until then you're just another case of the pot calling the kettle black, and we all know how productive that is...
in weapon x: the novel (BOOK)... dr. cornelious states that wolverine was choosen for the admantium bondig process because wolverine's (might be) immortal... he questions if it's true and ponders it, and there are vague references that he is, the point is that the book, definitely opens that venue up as a possibility.
older handbooks state that he couldn't "regenerate" lost organs.. that's obviously not true...
and neither is your statment.. logan's heart has exploded, his brain got shot, ALL of his torso's organs have been crushed by the hulk.. there's too much evidence for either statement to be true.. and that's just cold hard facts.
I never said I wasn't, but assuming something that was said not to be is a lot different than commenting on something that was said.
Assumption on my behalf.
I have the entire series of Weapon X vol.2, I wanted an issue # but is that the actual title?
He couldn't back in the old days, then he got an upgrade which was mentioned in the new handbook ie Wolverine 2004. They never made that comment he couldn't regenerate them. They did say he wasn't immortal
They mention in the handbook healing from brain damage, you can live with your torso crushed. How could all that stuff happen anyways when his adamintium protects him. All of that is completly different than having everything burnt off with just a skelton remaining.
Originally posted by jinzin
you also said he HAD to be resurrected by the hand.. that's a false statment unless you have proof that states otherwise...he was dead after the magneto incident..
he was killed during the venom ongoing series...
and his vital functions ceased in a cross over with cap...
he also was killed when his heart was exploded from the inside during secret war....on all occasions he came back without outside interference..
in x-men annual 11, he regenerates from a drop of blood granted a plot device.. but he attests the resurrection to his healing factor..
in wolverine 32 the german officer states that wolverine was killed multiple times.. he kept coming back...
-He came back because of Jean, not because he was immortal
-Which ongoing? the mini where he got nuked?
-Puck vital signs have stopped several times, but that doesn't make him immortal. How long were they even stopped?
-Did they actually state he died though?
Plot device, ie void
the crazy nazi, and what he felt might kill him wouldn't due to his healing factor as he most likely never dealt with anyone quite like him before.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I never said I wasn't, but assuming something that was said not to be is a lot different than commenting on something that was said.Assumption on my behalf.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I have the entire series of Weapon X vol.2, I wanted an issue # but is that the actual title?
you're not getting the"book" part of this are you?... here...
http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/previews/1004/WOLV_Prose_Novel.jpg
Originally posted by King_Mungi
He couldn't back in the old days, then he got an upgrade which was mentioned in the new handbook ie Wolverine 2004. They never made that comment he couldn't regenerate them. They did say he wasn't immortal
and I'm not saying he's immortal either so what's your point there?
Originally posted by King_Mungi
They mention in the handbook healing from brain damage, you can live with your torso crushed. How could all that stuff happen anyways when his adamintium protects him. All of that is completly different than having everything burnt off with just a skelton remaining.
the whole point of this is that handbooks are not very credible sources of evidence to use.. they are made as a GENERAL GUIDLINE.. they are NOT bible fact and ARE NOT more credible than comic books.. that's all there is to it.. as for THIS particular incident.. I'm not defending it either.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
-He came back because of Jean, not because he was immortal
no he stayed in one piece cause of jean, he came back because of his healing factor..
Originally posted by King_Mungi
-Which ongoing? the mini where he got nuked?
Originally posted by King_Mungi
-Puck vital signs have stopped several times, but that doesn't make him immortal. How long were they even stopped?
you don't get it.. I'm NOT ARGUING THAT WOLVERINE'S IMMORTAL so stop acting like I am, it's getting on my nerves...
the point of these feats is to demonstrate that while the hand resurrected logan.. there's nothing to dictate that logan NEEDED their help to do it, which is what you were implying...
as for the time length.. I don't recall...
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Originally posted by King_Mungido they HAVE to?!?!?! 🤨
-Did they actually state he died though?
his heart literally EXPLODED, it blew up from the inside..= dead... he got back up...
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Plot device, ie void
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Originally posted by King_Mungiso beheading logan doesn't count as a kill? or incineration? 😕
the crazy nazi, and what he felt might kill him wouldn't due to his healing factor as he most likely never dealt with anyone quite like him before.
The Weapon X Novel that jinzin is referring to is the TBP that is made up of the Weapon X short stories that we first published in MCP in the 80s. If you want more indepth arguments on why Wolverine is immortal (most of it has been covered by jinzin and capt) look around in some Wolverine threads since I have argued the possibility of it before on several occasions.
Originally posted by jinzin
so if you're assuming and you know that you are, don't get all preachy on capt... the thing is, there's evidence on both ends, we have to look at what evidence is more important and consistent...you're not getting the"book" part of this are you?... here...
http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/previews/1004/WOLV_Prose_Novel.jpg
sure they did.. for a long time it was a generally accepted and stated fact that logan didn't have the ability to regenerate organs.. and he's been doing the regeneration thing for a great deal longer than circa 2004. sorry to say.
and I'm not saying he's immortal either so what's your point there?
"dealing with brain damage" is not the same has HEALING it.. or eyeballs. or an arm, or a heart, and no you can't live with a crushed torso when it's hulk dealing the blows and literally LIQUIFYING your insides.. wolverine states that when hulk hit him he could feel all his organs turn to jelly.. it didn't kill him.. same thing when he had a bone skeleton and was crushed between two cars.. he just GOT.. UP....
the whole point of this is that handbooks are not very credible sources of evidence to use.. they are made as a GENERAL GUIDLINE.. they are NOT bible fact and ARE NOT more credible than comic books.. that's all there is to it.. as for THIS particular incident.. I'm not defending it either.
Well considering there was nothing to regenerate from that attack how could he? he also compared his immortalty to Deadpool's
Link didn't work, but I know what a novel is but I thought he meant a trade at first so that's why I asked for the issue # as I havn't heard of Weapon X: Novel as some trades have different names for each.
Well when the handbooks came out such as Marvel Universe or the Deluxe edition he couldn't. It's only fairly recently he has been getting the healing factor upgrade and thus been able to do things like healing from brain damage.
Eh? no they said healing from brain damage "in a matter of days, if not hours". Not true, as my great aunt had a crushed torso from a car crash and my mom is a nurse and she dealt with many people with that. Plus adamintium protects his insides and did they actually or was it Wolverine giving his one-liners once again. Normal humans can even do that.
I never claimed the handbooks are the bibile, but saying someone isn't immortal and they are is a HUGE difference. That's not a guideline when they come out and say he can be killed.
