Now I myself have a question, do you think Thanos could handle Doomsday, Queen of Fables, Mr Mxyzptlk, Dominus, Eradicator and Darkseid[to name a few] like Superman can/has without plot devices[tech or obtained extra power]
I don't have to devise one, Surfer's done it for me tons of times... look at the type of shit does- check the respect thread. . .How would Thanos prevent, under his own power, being trapped and sealed inside of Surfer's board?
Why doesn't he create a billion adamantium swords that fly at Thanos from everywhich direction[as we know it can cut him] at speeds that Thanos can't even react to or comprehend?
Why doesn't use the time powers?
Or his mental powers to know what Thanos is doing and when?
Or. . .?
If he fought Superman like he fights Thanos, he'd beaten everytime too.
Thanos seems to be like the cosmic version of The Batman, where he beats people, and it doesn't really have to make sense, accept in Thanos' place, for some reason people agree to it. While when Batman does the same things, it's PIS, CIS, "He can't do that.", "He's just human".
Back to the topic at hand, now that we've established that Thanos shouldn't even be able to beat some of his own foes, I want you to think of a way without plot devices [tech or obtained power, etc] would he defeat the enemies of Superman I mentioned above? Just so there's a comparison of how they would stand to eachother enemies.
Originally posted by Broly92
Everyone who isn't a Superman fanboy or stupid or ignorant about Thanos
You don't know crap about Thanos OR Superman, and you are clearly biased against Supes. Seriously, get a clue of what you are talking about, or just stop posting in this thread all together. Btw, Goku STILL sucks balls.
Originally posted by Juntai
If Surfer fought like he does against Thanos? Hell yes.
Surfer beats Supes through technicality in most peoples eyes, he can control radiation, create kryptonite, bla ba.
If Surfer was actually going all out, using all out do or die?
Thanos wouldn't stand a chance either, Surfer would have his soul, attached to a doll, inside of a box, in a kids room in a universe inside of his surfboard.
If Supes got ahold of him while he fighting like an idiot? Lights out.Now I myself have a question, do you think Thanos could handle Doomsday, Queen of Fables, Mr Mxyzptlk, Dominus, Eradicator and Darkseid[to name a few] like Superman can/has without plot devices[tech or obtained extra power]
Jun, in an answer to your question, for the most part yes. If Thanos had the knowledge of them that Superman does, then yeah he beats them, imo.
DD?? Wouldn't have been a rematch.
QOF...Powerful magic, and Superman beat her with a plot device, iirc. Why can't Thanos??
Mr. Mxy?? Hell yeah. Anybody who knows the trick has it over the dumbass.
Dominus....More than likely, yeah. Dominus operated mostly on high mental illusions. As an Eternal, he maybe immune to the guy. And Superman beat him with a plot device!!
Same with Eradicator, though Thanos could probably just beat him to death.
Darkseid.....since the Oe has fallen a few steps on the ladder, and he doesn't do much more than that nowadays, then yeah, he beats him.
So yeah, i do believe Thanos could beat those, except for the QOF. She's the wildcard.
And i do believe Thanos is like Batman as well. Everybody dumbs down when he's around. And it bothers the hell outta me.
Originally posted by Juntai
I don't have to devise one, Surfer's done it for me tons of times... look at the type of shit does- check the respect thread. . .How would Thanos prevent, under his own power, being trapped and sealed inside of Surfer's board?
Why doesn't he create a billion adamantium swords that fly at Thanos from everywhich direction[as we know it can cut him] at speeds that Thanos can't even react to or comprehend?
Why doesn't use the time powers?
Or his mental powers to know what Thanos is doing and when?
Or. . .?
If he fought Superman like he fights Thanos, he'd beaten everytime too.
Thanos seems to be like the cosmic version of The Batman, where he beats people, and it doesn't really have to make sense, accept in Thanos' place, for some reason people agree to it. While when Batman does the same things, it's PIS, CIS, "He can't do that.", "He's just human".
Back to the topic at hand, now that we've established that Thanos shouldn't even be able to beat some of his own foes, I want you to think of a way without plot devices [tech or obtained power, etc] would he defeat the enemies of Superman I mentioned above? Just so there's a comparison of how they would stand to eachother enemies.
Surfer wouldn't have the power to trap Thanos, for Thanos power has been shown to trump the Surfers.
If the swords did go through Thanos, he would take them in and afterwards reconstruct his molecules so his body will be as normal. You forget that Thanos is banned from death, thus he can't die.
Thanos being as smart as he is, would already know that the Surfer would attempt his time powers and counter it or make him use his powers against himself. Kind of like how he made Champion defeat himself, and beg for mercy.
He wont use his mental powers because Thanos knows how to protect his mind. Ask Moondragon how she faired with Thanos mind.
No matter how the Surfer fights, Superman will never defeat him.
Thanos isn't considered PIS, CIS because he shows his power on a consistent bases. Batman however has no power, and lacks the experience and abilities Thanos posses.
Originally posted by UniOmniSee, you just went and completely downplay an entire cast of characters. I can do that too. Superman beat Thor, Thanos ran from Thor, and Thanos stood up to Odin, therefore Superman beats Odin. Give the characters the benefit of the doubt, I don't think Thanos could beat any of those characters without plot deviceing them. And btw, Superman using his powers isn't a plot device @ beating Eradicator & Dominus, Darkseid.
Jun, in an answer to your question, for the most part yes. If Thanos had the knowledge of them that Superman does, then yeah he beats them, imo.DD?? Wouldn't have been a rematch.
QOF...Powerful magic, and Superman beat her with a plot device, iirc. Why can't Thanos??
Mr. Mxy?? Hell yeah. Anybody who knows the trick has it over the dumbass.
Dominus....More than likely, yeah. Dominus operated mostly on high mental illusions. As an Eternal, he maybe immune to the guy. And Superman beat him with a plot device!!
Same with Eradicator, though Thanos could probably just beat him to death.
Darkseid.....since the Oe has fallen a few steps on the ladder, and he doesn't do much more than that nowadays, then yeah, he beats him.So yeah, i do believe Thanos could beat those, except for the QOF. She's the wildcard.
And i do believe Thanos is like Batman as well. Everybody dumbs down when he's around. And it bothers the hell outta me.
I could go defend all the characters one by one, like the completely off the wall claim that Darkseid and his OE/OB isn't much but it isn't about them.
It's about the fact that Thanos loses to guys in a league that Superman is consistantly shown as beating whenever he runs into them, and one is a feat, and means Thanos is all mighty, when the other is PIS, and means Supes has a jobber aura. Wtf?
Originally posted by SoujaboyI'm not even going to bother picking that apart. Most of what you wrote there was utterly rediculous. At least Uni came through with a sensible post.
Surfer wouldn't have the power to trap Thanos, for Thanos power has been shown to trump the Surfers.If the swords did go through Thanos, he would take them in and afterwards reconstruct his molecules so his body will be as normal. You forget that Thanos is banned from death, thus he can't die.
Thanos being as smart as he is, would already know that the Surfer would attempt his time powers and counter it or make him use his powers against himself. Kind of like how he made Champion defeat himself, and beg for mercy.
He wont use his mental powers because Thanos knows how to protect his mind. Ask Moondragon how she faired with Thanos mind.
No matter how the Surfer fights, Superman will never defeat him.
Thanos isn't considered PIS, CIS because he shows his power on a consistent bases. Batman however has no power, and lacks the experience and abilities Thanos posses.
OK, I'll show you what I mean then.
Originally posted by Soujaboy Surfer wouldn't have the power to trap Thanos, for Thanos power has been shown to trump the Surfers.Got any proof?
If the swords did go through Thanos, he would take them in and afterwards reconstruct his molecules so his body will be as normal. You forget that Thanos is banned from death, thus he can't die.Thanos has himself admitted that he can die. Being immortal and really powerful is different than being truly immortal as in; can't be beaten, can't be KOed, can't be killed -- which seems to be how you feel about Thanos.
Thanos being as smart as he is, would already know that the Surfer would attempt his time powers and counter it or make him use his powers against himself. Kind of like how he made Champion defeat himself, and beg for mercy.Yeah? Counter how? Thanos doesn't have time powers. How can reverse it? Show me some proof.
He wont use his mental powers because Thanos knows how to protect his mind. Ask Moondragon how she faired with Thanos mind.Surfer's is also above the Mind Gem, as he has resisted it before.
No matter how the Surfer fights, Superman will never defeat him.[/quite] I know that quite well because Surfer will always fight like a dummy around him. It's just the way it is. Using full power though, Surfer has shown dozens of ways he could beat Thanos or characters on that level, I only mentioned a couple possibilities.True, Batman doesn't have power, the only smart thing in thing in the whole post, and also the most obvious.[quote]Thanos isn't considered PIS, CIS because he shows his power on a consistent bases. Batman however has no power, and lacks the experience and abilities Thanos posses.
And in a straight up fistfight with no power projection? Superman can beat damn near anyone.
You don't feel Thanos can out muscle DD??
As Superman did the first time around?
QOF is the wildcard, as admitted by me.
Mr. Mxy?? Superman doesn't beat Mxy Jun and you damn well know it. He outsmarts him. Thats all he does.
Why should Thanos have to beat an imp, when Superman has shown he can handle the guy without punching??
Cuz thats all this is right?? Seeing how he handles these foes?
Dominus.....What did Dominus do, that tells us he's above Thanos? I look at it like this.
If the JLA had to get involved to stop the guy, he's legitly above Thanos, perhaps.
If Superman did it on his own, then his stock falls. Just like Darkseid.
And alot of what he did, WAS based on illusions. Fact.
Against an Eternal, that stuff doesn't work well. And T-vo is a plot device.
IIRC, you said so yourself a while back in another thread!
Dominus on paper clearly outmatched Superman in power and range. So a new ability comes from leftfield and somehow, handles this uber threat.
What is that if not a plotdevice Jun?!
Eradicator.......The guy who got handled by Cyborg and Steel more than 10 years ago, or the guy who was koed by an Omac, which Robin has defeated?!
Take your pick.
Darkseid.......Poor old Uxas. Superman reflected the OE with HV. Are you saying that Thanos can't do the same??
Darkseid was pierced by an amazon spear. Superman takes his oe to the chest like its shot from a Supersoaker!!
And Thanos can't take the guy??
Queen of Fables is weird, so i'm going to leave that as a no. But nobody else on the list has done anything, barring PC for Darky, to suggest that they're firmly beyond his means to handle.
And who did Thanos lose to that Superman is consistently shown as being able to beat??
Don't say Thor with the PG. Cuz anybody with the PG is uber. Drac was ripping apart stars when he had it. There is no comparison.
And no, i don't think Superman can beat Thanos in a blow for blow fight. Too durable and too strong.
Originally posted by Juntai
OK, I'll show you what I mean then.Got any proof?
Thanos has himself admitted that he can die. Being immortal and really powerful is different than being truly immortal as in; can't be beaten, can't be KOed, can't be killed -- which seems to be how you feel about Thanos.
Yeah? Counter how? Thanos doesn't have time powers. How can reverse it? Show me some proof.
Surfer's is also above the Mind Gem, as he has resisted it before.
[quite]No matter how the Surfer fights, Superman will never defeat him.[/quite] I know that quite well because Surfer will always fight like a dummy around him. It's just the way it is. Using full power though, Surfer has shown dozens of ways he could beat Thanos or characters on that level, I only mentioned a couple possibilities.
True, Batman doesn't have power, the only smart thing in thing in the whole post, and also the most obvious.
And in a straight up fistfight with no power projection? Superman can beat damn near anyone.
Why would i dig through comics to give you proof of something you already know? Thanos has and always will be stronger than the Surfer.
He's banned from death, as in Death banned him, as in he can't die.
Originally posted by UniOmniNope. Thanos' hand to hand skills don't seem to be up to par with Supermans or Doomsdays, which is why I won't give him this fight. And why I'm still arguing in this thread.
You don't feel Thanos can out muscle DD??
As Superman did the first time around?
QOF is the wildcard, as admitted by me.Gotcha.
Mr. Mxy?? Superman doesn't beat Mxy Jun and you damn well know it. He outsmarts him. Thats all he does.Sure, was just a random name I threw out there. 😉
Why should Thanos have to beat an imp, when Superman has shown he can handle the guy without punching??
Cuz thats all this is right?? Seeing how he handles these foes?
Dominus.....What did Dominus do, that tells us he's above Thanos? I look at it like this.It is, but it's still a legitimate part of his superpowers, it was more of an explained way of things he has done before, his mental shielding, his tk fields, etc. Just far more controlled. Even Pre Crisis Superman had these abilities, it just wasn't called Torqasm Vo.
If the JLA had to get involved to stop the guy, he's legitly above Thanos, perhaps.
If Superman did it on his own, then his stock falls. Just like Darkseid.
And alot of what he did, WAS based on illusions. Fact.
Against an Eternal, that stuff doesn't work well. And T-vo is a plot device.
IIRC, you said so yourself a while back in another thread!Dominus on paper clearly outmatched Superman in power and range. So a new ability comes from leftfield and somehow, handles this uber threat.
What is that if not a plotdevice Jun?!
Eradicator.......The guy who got handled by Cyborg and Steel more than 10 years ago, or the guy who was koed by an Omac, which Robin has defeated?!The one who was blindsided by an OMAC, which had adapted itself to take him down specifically, while he was easily handling Superman and Superboy at the same time? Or the one who could cross the entire universe in moments, that Superman also had to T-VO down?
Take your pick.
Darkseid.......Poor old Uxas. Superman reflected the OE with HV. Are you saying that Thanos can't do the same??Your problem is using Superman as the benchmark for this, what about him killing celestials with a touch? How about turning SECRET into a human child?[A character powerful enough to be running around and learning its power from The Spectre] Validus the same? Destroying an army of old gods?[And no, not the old - run the universe killing all the pantheon gods pre crisis event either.] Or when The Guardians of the Universe [each of which would mop Thanos] handed over a Green Lantern as a slave rather than go against Darkseid.
Darkseid was pierced by an amazon spear. Superman takes his oe to the chest like its shot from a Supersoaker!!
And Thanos can't take the guy??
Where is Thanos' hand to hand and stregnth feats that rank him up with Superman?
Queen of Fables is weird, so i'm going to leave that as a no. But nobody else on the list has done anything, barring PC for Darky, to suggest that they're firmly beyond his means to handle.And who did Thanos lose to that Superman is consistently shown as being able to beat??
Don't say Thor with the PG. Cuz anybody with the PG is uber. Drac was ripping apart stars when he had it. There is no comparison.And no, i don't think Superman can beat Thanos in a blow for blow fight. Too durable and too strong. [/B]
Most of the 'feats' that keep getting brought up in Thanos' defense range from getting his ass kicked in all of them, to Surfer jobbing for him. Sounds whack to me.