Onslaught vs. Darkseid · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Lord Urizen Perfection

Originally posted by Priest
ill have to agree with u but with one thing...sorry..i feel thanos deffinalty got the sheer mite thing over Darkseid..Thanos fought thor hulk, the thing at the same time, and held his own, accually he did beat the crap out of all of them in my opinion..another thing is Thanos did exchange blows with Warrior maddness Thor (10x stonger than a normal thor, also thor had the power gem) and held his own..
thanos > darkseid

True, i stand corrected.

Thanos has beaten people who were seemingly stronger than himself. I always did beleive that Thanos is wayy stronger than Darkseid, the only point that convinced me otherwise was how DC fans SWEAR that Darksied is on par with Normal Galactus.

Somehow, i HIGHLY doubt this when SUPERMAN makes a punching bag out of Darkseid though 😆

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I say it could go [b]EITHER WAY
You guys are forgetting many things:
Pro-Darksied
1) Darksied possesses the Omega Effect which I beleive may very well nullify Onslaught if it came into contact.
2) Darksied is a little above Thanos in terms of sheer physical might, and Thanos is on par with Hulk and Drax the Destroyer. Angry Hulk ripped away at Onslaught's armor. Does that mean Hulk can beat Onslaught? No...but he definately took away a layer of his defenses.
I am pretty confident that PIS ASIDE, Darksied can do the same thing.
Pro-Onslaught
1) Onslaught can mindwipe Darksied. Instant K.O.
2) If the Omega Effect is used, and Onslaught sees it coming he can easily freeze it in time/space, or possibly nullify/backfire the omega effect itself (if he had Franklyn Richard's powers)
3) Onslaught had unlimitted psychic ability....he was a God in the Astral Place...the fact that Hulk beat him down is TOTAL PIS..and a desperate way to end the Onslaught Saga, because REALISTICALLY Onslaught was wayyyyy above Hulk's level.
So if you are going to ignore Darksied's PIS, then you ALSO have to ignore Onslaught's PIS.
Both of these contendors have enough ability to defeat the other....I don't beleive this is a matter of who is stronger, smarter, more evil, or more versatile.
I think this is all a matter of HOW the story would be WRITTEN if the fight WERE to ever occur. [/B]

Nope, sorry. ❌ Onslaught is NOT going to instantly mind rape Darkseid for the KO. Darkseid is also a profficient telepath as well.

Takion Senior Member

During GDS, Darkseid ended up in The Legion's timeline, stripped of most of his power. By absorbing some power throughout the arc, he returns some of it, although he's never fully back to his original powr level. Anyway ...

Darkseid makes short work of Mordru:
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The Time Trapper wasn't much more trouble:
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Darkseid takes Mon-El's laser vision to no effect and puts him into a coma with one blast:
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Darkseid teleports Apokolips and Daxam:
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Darkseid takes care of The Legion with transmutation, energy manipulation, and telepathy:
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Demonic Phoenix Senior Member

If this is a fight, an outright fistcuff fight, DS is gone.
I'll agree that DS is more evil as he has done some pretty nasty things and has had more time to do evil things than onslaught.

Takion Senior Member

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
True, i stand corrected.
Thanos has beaten people who were seemingly stronger than himself. I always did beleive that Thanos is wayy stronger than Darkseid, the only point that convinced me otherwise was how DC fans SWEAR that Darksied is on par with Normal Galactus.
Somehow, i HIGHLY doubt this when SUPERMAN makes a punching bag out of Darkseid though 😆

Darkseid's gotten a lot of flak for his two losses to Superman and how recent they were. While I won'teven try to defend the jobfest that was Apokolips Now, S/B#12-13 gets exaggerated IMO. Up until WW teleported in by surprise to deflect his beams into his face, then the fight was taken near the sun, I beleive Darkseid had Superman well in-hand. A Darkseid sucker-punch, and Supergirl risks her life to sheild Supes. A Superman sucker-punch, followed by a flying bumrush, and 'Seid just shrugs it off, backhands Supes down, and this time WW steps in and risks her life to save Supes. I beleive the way the fight was panning out on Earth implies that, without his beams hitting his face and without Supes' sun-amp, DS would've won the fight.

Takion Senior Member

The Anti-Monitor here is weakened, but he absorbs the entire power of his universe to help balance it out, and he still has enough power after absorbing the rest of his universe that he's crushing Golden Age Superman and Superboy Prime with one hand. Darkseid uses his resources to establish a link between himself and Alex Luthor, allowing him to "gaze" through Luthor's eyes, and then channels an enormous energy blast through him. This blast sends The Anti-Monitor sprawling into the sun and leaves him dying. Golden Age Supes lays down the finishing touches afterwards:

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Priest Senior Member

Originally posted by Takion
So what.
After Mantis has absorbed the full power of Hal Jordan's GL ring, he unloads it on DS. Check what happens:
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Darkseid takes a blast from a Master Blaster, which Mr. Miracle states can destroy any life form, to no effect. Then he banishes Scott:
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nice scans, they look like Pc Darkseid tho.. they are impressive but i was takin about sheer power or Physcial power..all ur scans showed was darkseid's durabilty..
Thanos as well has durabilty was well..
here are scans when thanos took a blast form omega( galactus and thanos clone)..Omega may have been as strong maybe stonger than galactus him self..
1) http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omega45yy.jpg

2) http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omega57dl.jpg

Takion Senior Member

Originally posted by Priest
nice scans, they look like Pc Darkseid tho.. they are impressive but i was takin about sheer power or Physcial power..all ur scans showed was darkseid's durabilty..
Thanos as well has durabilty was well..
here are scans when thanos took a blast form omega( galactus and thanos clone)..Omega may have been as strong maybe stonger than galactus him self..
1) http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omega45yy.jpg
2) http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omega57dl.jpg

Yes, With the aid of three personal force fields.

And here's two feats from a Post-Crisis GDS aftermath issue ...

Darkseid turns Pre-Zero Hour Validus into a child:
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Darkseid disintegrates a Pre-Zero Hour Daxamite:
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Darkseid completely vaporizes Kalibak with a touch:
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Takion Senior Member

Dr. Fate combines Darkseid's power with his own, Highfather's, Orion's, and Etrigan's (though, in this case it was revealed Etrigan's connection gives him power he can't fully tap, but DS or Fate apparently can). Combined, they stand up to the Anti-Life Entity (an abstract) for several pages, and create a chain reaction that destroys his dimension:

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UniOmni Outrageously Dickish

S/B is ridiculed, since Darky was written as stupid enough to fight Superman in his powersource.
Not teleporting them away, or the fact that he was fooled by a pile of ashes.
OR that Batman won a standoff against him.
Where was his tp then??
Or the fact that he was stupid enough to come after Superman alone, without any of the minions that dwell on Apok.
Or that his oe was reflected by what they should have simply bypassed.
Or the fact that he was pierced by an Amazon spear not to long ago.
Tell me when to stop..........

S/B is ridiculed, because Loeb totally missed the concept of Darkseid. Totally in the wrong hemisphere when it comes to characterization.
Darkseid isn't a teambeater. He sends out the guy who is a teambeater.
Darkseid doesn't get his hands dirty on the little people. Totally missed the point, did our man Jeph.

Takion Senior Member

Darkseid gets rid of Superman and The Forever People with a gesture:
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9e5c182jpgorig8tb.jpg

Takion Senior Member

Originally posted by UniOmni
S/B is ridiculed, since Darky was written as stupid enough to fight Superman in his powersource.
Not teleporting them away, or the fact that he was fooled by a pile of ashes.
OR that Batman won a standoff against him.
Where was his tp then??
Or the fact that he was stupid enough to come after Superman alone, without any of the minions that dwell on Apok.
Or that his oe was reflected by what they should have simply bypassed.
Or the fact that he was pierced by an Amazon spear not to long ago.
Tell me when to stop..........
S/B is ridiculed, because Loeb totally missed the concept of Darkseid. Totally in the wrong hemisphere when it comes to characterization.
Darkseid isn't a teambeater. He sends out the guy who is a teambeater.
Darkseid doesn't get his hands dirty on the little people. Totally missed the point, did our man Jeph.

Don't worry I de-bugged the anti-feat. 😖hifty:

Lord Urizen Perfection

Originally posted by batdude123
Nope, sorry. ❌ Onslaught is NOT going to instantly mind rape Darkseid for the KO. Darkseid is also a profficient telepath as well.

Being a Proficient telepath is nothing compared to having UNLIMITTED psychic ability.

I am under the impression that if Thanos fought Onslaught without prep, he would even be at risk for mindwipe.

Darkseid is not the genuis that Thanos is, so Darksied would have to work extra hard to prevent himself from being mindwiped by someone who has unlimitted telepathic ability 😉 , not to mention who achieved a level of high as hell reality warping ability.

Takion Senior Member

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Being a [b]Proficient telepath is nothing compared to having UNLIMITTED psychic ability.
I am under the impression that if Thanos fought Onslaught without prep, he would even be at risk for mindwipe.
Darkseid is not the genuis that Thanos is, so Darksied would have to work extra hard to prevent himself from being mindwiped by someone who has unlimitted telepathic ability 😉 , not to mention who achieved a level of high as hell reality warping ability. [/B]

Actually....DS is very intelligent.

Darkseid perceives a cosmic event that escaped the notice of the Lords of Chaos and Order:

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Once Darkseid and Orion are in The Source, due to 'Seid's actions, they battle. With both having access to the power of The Source, their battle stretches across all of creation. There's some cool character stuff here, but at the end of it, Orion kills Darkseid. It's later revealed, of course, that Darkseid let Orion kill him. Personally, I think it speaks of Darkseid's power and intelligence that he got them to this power source, and IMO the fact that he would let himself be killed to fulfill his goals is hardcore:

After his death in The Source, Darkseid regenerates inside of Orion and tears him in half:

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Lord Urizen Perfection

Originally posted by Takion
Actually....DS is very intelligent.
Darkseid perceives a cosmic event that escaped the notice of the Lords of Chaos and Order:
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Once Darkseid and Orion are in The Source, due to 'Seid's actions, they battle. With both having access to the power of The Source, their battle stretches across all of creation. There's some cool character stuff here, but at the end of it, Orion kills Darkseid. It's later revealed, of course, that Darkseid let Orion kill him. Personally, I think it speaks of Darkseid's power and intelligence that he got them to this power source, and IMO the fact that he would let himself be killed to fulfill his goals is hardcore:
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After his death in The Source, Darkseid regenerates inside of Orion and tears him in half:
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I never said Darksied was stupid. I just don't think hes AS intelligent as Thanos.

I think Darkseid is definately more evil than Thanos, and probably JUSt as insane...but not as versatile or intelligent..almost but not yet.

And secondly, why does Darksied job then if he has so much more potential than the stories allow him to reveal?

Takion Senior Member

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I never said Darksied was stupid. I just don't think hes AS intelligent as Thanos.
I think Darkseid is definately more evil than Thanos, and probably JUSt as insane...but not as versatile or intelligent..almost but not yet.
And secondly, why does Darksied job then if he has so much more potential than the stories allow him to reveal?

He's too powerful, and he should be almost on par with Thanos. DS mainly jobs to not very tough bricks. I don't know what I just said.

Takion Senior Member

DS won't be mind raped, he controlled a planet of Superman level beings, and we know how tough Superman mind is.

Lord Urizen Perfection

Originally posted by Takion
He's too powerful, and he should be almost on par with Thanos. DS mainly jobs to not very tough bricks. I don't know what I just said.

It's the writers then. They don't know how to handle a character like Darksied.

The people who write Thanos do it much better. They allow him to be challenged and struggle, without making him look like a weakling or jobber.

Takion Senior Member

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It's the writers then. They don't know how to handle a character like Darksied.
The people who write Thanos do it much better. They allow him to be challenged and struggle, without making him look like a weakling or jobber.

I agree Joeph Loeb ruined DS.

Lord Urizen Perfection

Originally posted by Takion
I agree Joeph Loeb ruined DS.

Which is a shame, cuz i do like Darkseid...well classicly written DArksied, and anytime i see a comic book with Darkseid in it, i get excited, until i see him FAIL due to PIS