Superman v.s Cable

Originally posted by Soleran
Batdude123 showing me scans like that doesn't change Superman's "character" his "personality" hell in the fight with BA he talked first, so what, then he stopped when BA turned his back on him, why? His honor, trust, integrity his wanting to do the right thing and allow others the chance to do so before things get out of hand.

Thats his character Batdude123 thats what fits his profile, thats how it works here as well. Thats what it means to not do something out of character.

Go back once again on the SS note and reread ALOT of what I said because it didn't rely on SS speedblitzing into a freakin fist fight but his other powers. I'll save that discussion for later, rest assured you are taking my words out of context YET again.

Oh and the door does swing both ways, however PLEASE read the letters on the door to make sure you are opening the right one, this one seems to be exit only stop trying to come in.

Show me an example of Superman being ONE HUNDRED PERCENT pissed off and "sitting there and rationalizing" like you put it, and I'll show you five examples of him doing whatever it took to knock the other person out. Like you always say, this isn't a comic book. This is a scenario where Superman is one hundred percent bloodlusted. Do you really think on these boards if Cable turned his back on a 100% pissed off Superman that we would just say "Meh, Superman's got to much integrity to finish the job." Well, a lot of characters are like that. However, we don't debate it like that. If we did, do you really think that Spider-man would want to hurt his friend Wolverine in a confrontation??? These are all scenarios, that's it. So, what you are telling me is that if Cable turns his back while Superman is pissed off in the middle of the fight, Superman is just going to back off??? Sorry, that's not how it works here. You are giving comic book scenarios where there is actually a plot point to the story. Well, there is no story here and we make up the scenarios. Superman isn't going to stop fighting Cable during the middle of the fight. Btw, I'm am in the right door. All I have heard from you in the past is "Silver Surfer speedblitzes him." You might throw in a couple of other scenarios here and there, however that is the one you stick with the most often. So, I say unto you, good day sir!!! schmoll

cant cable see fast things or something dont know much bout cable but i think superman will get him just cuz its superman god i hate him

Originally posted by batdude123
Show me an example of Superman being ONE HUNDRED PERCENT pissed off and "sitting there and rationalizing" like you put it, and I'll show you five examples of him doing whatever it took to knock the other person out. Like you always say, this isn't a comic book. This is a scenario where Superman is one hundred percent bloodlusted. Do you really think on these boards if Cable turned his back on a 100% pissed off Superman that we would just say "Meh, Superman's got to much integrity to finish the job." Well, a lot of characters are like that. However, we don't debate it like that. If we did, do you really think that Spider-man would want to hurt his friend Wolverine in a confrontation??? These are all scenarios, that's it. So, what you are telling me is that if Cable turns his back while Superman is pissed off in the middle of the fight, Superman is just going to back off??? Sorry, that's not how it works here. You are giving comic book scenarios where there is actually a plot point to the story. Well, there is no story here and we make up the scenarios. Superman isn't going to stop fighting Cable during the middle of the fight. Btw, I'm am in the right door. All I have heard from you in the past is "Silver Surfer speedblitzes him." You might throw in a couple of other scenarios here and there, however that is the one you stick with the most often. So, I say unto you, good day sir!!! schmoll

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Originally posted by Soleran
waveyblow

HI!!! hi2

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I know you meant stopping.

How does it make zero sense?

Its made from advanced tech from the future...

I could see how it wouldn't make sense if I said he did it with the other eye but...

Does the eye sit partially in the future within some kind of time rift? That's silly, that'd take a ton of power and it'd involve all kinds of byproducts that would be incredibly dangerous to have lodged in your skull.

In some sci-fi shows, subspace is very similar to normal space except it's much smaller so it'd be possible to detect something from subspace before it's detectable in normal space. But again, dangerous spacial rifts lodged in your skull.

Is it ever been actually said or narrated that his cybernetic eye can do such things? Because I don't remember seeing that on any of the scans.

I know they are inconsistent.

The Flash doesn't go faster then the speed of light otherwise he merges with the speed force.

Yes, it says he only attained near lightspeeds, but let's do the math. You've got 532,000 people carried from a city 35 miles away one, sometimes two, at a time. Let's say he got two people every time. That's 266,000 trips equaling 9.31 million miles he traveled. In a microsecond.

Considering light travels roughly 186 thousand miles per second, it's already not looking too good. Multiply Flash's distance traveled by 100 thousand, I think that's the right multiple, and it comes out to 931 billion miles per second. Or if I use the wrong number it'd either be 93.1 billion mps or 9.31 trillion mps.

Flash not only lapped the speed of light but he left a flaming paper bag of dog poop on its front porch then laughed when the speed of light put it out with its foot.

Superman has tried to never kill, he's felt the urges but, tries never to give him. Giving him that much dignity and his foe even if they don't come back. Superman wins this 8.8/10 in my opinion

This debate so far has centered around supermans ability so speed blitz Cable. Cable has seen characters moving at the speed of light, this could be due to his eye, his telekineses reaching out, or even just his telepathy. Does it really matter how? Hes gunna see superman.

now what can cable do to superman? he dosent have a way to overpower him, it dosent matter how powerful his tk is. nore is he going to outspeed him, even if he can think as fast. still, he can hurt the man of steel.

its been brought up that he can mind rape superman. I dont think you understand the level of power that cable has. before he lost his virus, and could barley lift himself with his telekinesis, he mindwiped hundreds of people at one time. It happened in operation zero tolerance, there was an army sitting at the xavier institute and he made them all zombies. ... then he got a power upgrade.

with that he was reading the entire planets mind simultaneously all the time unconsciously. professor X is no where in his league. he has to use a machine cerebro (that cable help build) to gain a but a small fraction of the kind of power cable does unconsciously.

superman goes down on that one hard

method number two... he can use matter manipulation to create a suit of kriptonite, hell, make a suit of kriptonite around superman.

thats just what comes to mind for me.

now what can superman do against cable?

his punches will not get through his shields, nore will his heat vision, or his mind screwing.

just exactly what is he going to do? If cable lets the fight drag on, as he did with silver surfer, sure he will burn out again, but were talking bloodlust. not gunna happen.

Oh, and at cable not being an omega level mutant... is there a step higher? Cause thats where he would be. Sinister helped created him to be the ultimate genetic potential of the mutant race. He contains cosmic power levels rivaling those of the Phoenix. I dont know if omega level quite covers it.

Originally posted by grey fox
Supes wins. EASILY

It took a Telepath (Possibly Maxwell lord , I'm not too sure) [b]years to be able to control Superman.

Cable isn't going to be Mind-raping anyone.....

He gets his head smashed off at the speed of light.

Can anyone say pulp ? 😉 [/B]

Originally posted by Juntai
Max Lord joined the JLA and started plotting their downfall back in 1991-2 or so, the recent Crisis he stated he took years to break down Superman's mind... in another one of the issues, involving Despero... Despero took over Aquaman's mind and Martian Manhunters mind, at the same time, and could not take over Superman's in the next issue, but alluded that he could, given enough time and concentration....

In addition also took over Batman and Hal Jordans mind in addition to that... 2 of the stronger willed DC characters.

What's your take on Cables shields Juntai? Would you believe they could possibly be stronger than Blackrocks shields powered by millions of sources at once?
🙂

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
In addition also took over Batman and Hal Jordans mind in addition to that... 2 of the stronger willed DC characters.

What's your take on Cables shields Juntai? Would you believe they could possibly be stronger than Blackrocks shields powered by millions of sources at once?
🙂

Please, Cable gets put down hard.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
In addition also took over Batman and Hal Jordans mind in addition to that... 2 of the stronger willed DC characters.

dude, how does that even compare to professor X nevermind cable

Maxwell Lord is a small time telepath. He can control a persons mind. Cable can wipe hundreds of thousands on a thought. He might compare to cable when he had the virus, but not now, no way. hes not even in the same planet nevermind ball park.

show me some examples of him using his powers that would compare to xavier!

Originally posted by dude189
dude, how does that even compare to professor X nevermind cable

Maxwell Lord is a small time telepath. He can control a persons mind. Cable can wipe hundreds of thousands on a thought. He might compare to cable when he had the virus, but not now, no way. hes not even in the same planet nevermind ball park.

show me some examples of him using his powers that would compare to xavier!

Recently, Superman shook off the effects of Despero's telepathy.

Originally posted by dude189
Oh, and at cable not being an omega level mutant... is there a step higher? Cause thats where he would be. Sinister helped created him to be the ultimate genetic potential of the mutant race. He contains cosmic power levels rivaling those of the Phoenix. I dont know if omega level quite covers it.

Cable could be as powerfull as a omega class mutant but is not Omega class cause his powers are not unlimeted, it gets exhausted and die from it, thats what i got from Cable Deadpool issue.

Originally posted by Rols
Cable could be as powerfull as a omega class mutant but is not Omega class cause his powers are not unlimeted, it gets exhausted and die from it, thats what i got from Cable Deadpool issue.

I think its safe to say he had peaked out, as he burnt himself out by the end of the fight.

his mortal body could only handle so much strain. XMan had the same problem, though oddly cables clone stryfe did not. though stryfe never pushed the boundries of his powers to global levels as cable and xman have.

XMan was tampered with by sinister to die off, as he didnt want him around after he was used to kill apocalypse. perhaps he put a similar code in cable through madelyn pryor who he created.

XMan got rid of his physical limits near the end of his series, perhaps cable could as well. but so far thats not the case.

Originally posted by dude189
dude, how does that even compare to professor X nevermind cable

Maxwell Lord is a small time telepath. He can control a persons mind. Cable can wipe hundreds of thousands on a thought. He might compare to cable when he had the virus, but not now, no way. hes not even in the same planet nevermind ball park.

show me some examples of him using his powers that would compare to xavier!

Max Lord is not a weak telepath, he had Superman under his control from halfway across the Solar System and it still took him years to pull off the mind control on Supes.

Martian Manhunter had over 100 other telepaths under his control. He's easily Charles Xavier +. Despero had him, Aquaman (another powerful telepath), Batman, and Hal Jordan (2 very powerfully willed characters) under his control at the same time effortlessly...

Yet, he couldn't control Superman.

Superman also resisted Dominus, who is so far above any version of Cables mental powers that it's ludicrous.

Superman 9/10 (1 for Cable, every dog has his day, right?)

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Max Lord is not a weak telepath, he had Superman under his control from halfway across the Solar System and it still took him years to pull off the mind control on Supes.

Martian Manhunter had over 100 other telepaths under his control. He's easily Charles Xavier +. Despero had him, Aquaman (another powerful telepath), Batman, and Hal Jordan (2 very powerfully willed characters) under his control at the same time effortlessly...

Yet, he couldn't control Superman.

Superman also resisted Dominus, who is so far above any version of Cables mental powers that it's ludicrous.

Superman 9/10 (1 for Cable, every dog has his day, right?)

As far as Cables power vs Dominus or Max or Despero, whatever it would just battle on forever. I feel Cable is above them based on showings simply because DC loves to have Superman overcome and most of the JLA job for his showings.

Superman 9/10 (1 for Cable, every dog has his day, right?) might thougsh exactly.

Originally posted by Soleran
As far as Cables power vs Dominus or Max or Despero, whatever it would just battle on forever. I feel Cable is above them based on showings simply because DC loves to have Superman overcome and most of the JLA job for his showings.

Superman 9/10 (1 for Cable, every dog has his day, right?) might thougsh exactly.

Cable above Dominus or Despero? How do you figure?