Superman v.s Cable

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Pointing out typos is the bottom of the barrel point in interweb debating. I meant to put stopping but I know how much you like to say Cable's cybernetic eye can spot things moving at lightspeed even though it literally makes zero sense from even a fake science standpoint unless he was walking around with a rift in subspace floating around his skull for his eye to track from. And even then it depends on what kind of subspace Marvel has.

I know you meant stopping.

How does it make zero sense?

Its made from advanced tech from the future...

I could see how it wouldn't make sense if I said he did it with the other eye but...

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Have you ever heard of Detective "DC" Comics? Have you seen how inconsistant things are there?

I know they are inconsistent.

The Flash doesn't go faster then the speed of light otherwise he merges with the speed force.

Originally posted by TheKahn
No you haven't.

1. Cable saw a giant ball of energy that was apparent to everyone.

No.....

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If we go by your crap logic of them not stating things then please show me where they STATE it was apparent to everyone.

They don't....

They only begin to react when Cable is shield starts to let through the light beams.

Originally posted by TheKahn
know one stated only Cable could see it and it was never stated that "Cable has the ability to see light speed objects with his artificial eye."

No, its not.

Look one of the official writers of the Marvel hand book even states that.

His entire CNS (Central Nervous System) has been augmented by chemical changes down to the atomic level and by biocomputer enhancement, rendering his reaction time far above what is possible for a Human being. In spite of his great size and impressive build, Cable is literally fast enough to evade high-powered bullets in-flight (after they have been fired), and even has the ability to visually track rounds after they’ve been fired (though they are not easy to see, except through his cybernetic eye). This great speed is also visible in superhuman levels of dexterity and agility, including manual and pedal dexterity. Spotting the speedster Super-Saber running at superhuman speed, Cable was actually able to physically attack and stop him. Super-Saber, himself, was fast enough to create “sonic booms” by snapping his fingers, and also had superhumanly high reaction time.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable

Yes he is one.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/User:ComiX-Fan

But he must juuust be a fanboy riiiight.....

Originally posted by TheKahn
That is something Cable fanboys have made up with no actual proof behind it.

I showed you a example of him reacting to two characters with super speed....

Originally posted by TheKahn
You would think if he really did have that power it would have been mentioned by someone somewhere in the years he has existed as a character and wouldn't require you to discover it.

They did, I just haven't found the issue yet.

I already said that...

Originally posted by TheKahn
2. So you're saying it's some kind of feat for Cable to be able to telepathically sense someone traveling well under the speed of sound?

How is it not....

He was still going at a great speed...

Originally posted by TheKahn
Hell Cyke "sensed" the Surfer too,

He heard a noise.

If we go by your logic of not stating things then that noise coulda been anything..

I mean they didn't actually state that Surfer is what Cyclops heard.

Originally posted by TheKahn
he just used his ears. So now do we claim that Cyke can "hear" people moving at the speed of light?

Yeah Bunky, thats what we do.

Originally posted by TheKahn
And who is it clear to that Cable's eye allowed him to see Lightmaster? It only seems to be "clear" to you.

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Oh, I dunno, maybe because he reacted to it....

Originally posted by TheKahn
It only seems to be "clear" to you. Your insistence on Cable possessing this ability would carry more weigh if you could find some evidence of a writer making even a passing reference to it in the years Cable has existed.

Why do you keep repeating that?

Originally posted by TheKahn
But you can't so you made it up this power and demand that we accept he has it when there is no proof to back it up. Again I ask what is more logical: the fact that you might be wrong with your interpretation of the fight, or the fact that Cable does have a power that has never been mentioned any other place before or since?

No matter how you word it its still the same question.....

Originally posted by TheKahn
As for Cable's "reaction" to Lightmaster's re-entry, all he did was erect a shield to protect himself.

Correct...

Originally posted by TheKahn
He didn't actually attack Lightmaster in any way. He knew Lightmaster was coming right back and yet the best he could do was a defensive maneuver.

Um...did you see why he didn't?
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4867/cd005220wg.jpg

Originally posted by TheKahn
Once again, none of your scans show Cable attacking someone moving at light speed in any manner.

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He reacted in a defensive manner to someone speedblitzing him at light speed....

Originally posted by TheKahn
Nothing you've posted has proven Cable can react, think, or attack someone at light speed.

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Originally posted by TheKahn
If he could then hardly any other character in the Marvel Universe could ever hope to fight him in any way.

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Yeah, thats probably why they got Silver Surfer to stop him.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Actually I did.

If you will look back a few pages you will see this scan:

Do the math. He far exceeds the speed of light in that scan. Unlike some people, I don't make claims about characters have certain powers unless their is a plethora of evidence to support it.

Yes, but if we go by your nobody stated logic then he didn't.🙂

Originally posted by TheKahn
When his body is traveling at the speed of light, how fast do you think the nerve impulses in his body would be going? The short answer is, ignoring the consequences of Einstein's relativistic effects which don't seem to apply in comics anyway, that to an outside observer Superman's thoughts would be traveling slightly faster than his physical speed.

Supermans perceptions have to adjust....

Flash was out running him and he wasn't even going light speed and his perceptions were messed up....

But going buy your logic, do you have scans to back that up?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Just how many claims are you going to make without any evidence to back them up?

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Originally posted by TheKahn
1. Cable spotted the Surfer traveling at super speed.

Correct...

Originally posted by TheKahn
*no he didn't, as the Surfer was traveling well under the speed of sound.

Wait....

Did they STATE that, because I don't think they did...

Originally posted by TheKahn
2. Cable's cybernetic eye can spot objects moving at the speed of light.

Correct...

Originally posted by TheKahn
*no it can't. In his entire existence the writers of Cable and Marvel itself have never stated that Cable has this ability. It's just something you've made up after looking at one fight.

Oh so you've read every appearance of his is what you're claiming?🙄

Originally posted by TheKahn
3. Cable is an omega-level mutant.
*no he isn't and it has never been stated that he is. Just another example of stuff that you've made up in this debate and then refuse to back up with scans or evidence of some sort.

Yeah, I know you supposedly need things to be stated.

Here it says what I said about Cable a nd X-Man.
http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cable031032mh.jpg

Dude your superspeedsters don't even add up to the Superman speed factor........................ok Cable has enhanced reaction speed, THERE are a few VERY few people in Marvel that have reaction speeds able to keep up with Superman, Cable isn't one of them, perhaps Northstar is one to give you an example.

So as this discussion progress's into more and more crap, please, Storm how many wins out of 10 do you feel Cable can garner?

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4 maybe 5, but thats a big maybe.

First, I don't require something to be stated for verification as a obvious demonstration is just as acceptable. The only problem is that the abilities you are claiming are not verified by either statements or unambiguous feats. Taking the ball of light as an example, how can we definitively know if Cable was the only person who could see it? If it wasn't stated as such, then we have to assume that other individuals would be able to see a giant ball of light heading towards them. The idea that Cable was the only one is just something you've made up.

As for your "source," (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable), you do realize that fans write those articles, don't you? If you or I were to gain enough "respect" (I think that is how Marvel.com measures it) then we could edit that bio to say whatever we wanted. Also even assuming what the article says is true, having reflexes that enable you to dodge bullets isn't the same as having reflexes that enable you do dodge light.

And were did you prove he responded to two characters moving at superspeed? In one scan he saw the Surfer traveling at subsonic speed and in the other he couldn't touch Lightmaster until he stopped moving. And even when he knew Lightmaster was coming directly at him, Cable could directly attack him. Instead all he could manage was to make a defensive shield before Lightmaster got to him. Now it is impressive that Cable was able to create the shield to deflect Lightmaster to a specific location, but that hardly qualifies as him having lightspeed reactions.

And please tell me where in this scan it refers to either Cable or Nate as Omega level mutants... 😕
http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cable031032mh.jpg

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
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Yes I did, you couldn't respond with info and told me to get it from someone else.

Why would I respond to someone who doesn't really know what the hell they're referencing?

Good one, considering I showed you scans of the fight dumbass. 🙄

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
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Yes I did, you couldn't respond with info and told me to get it from someone else.

Why would I respond to someone who doesn't really know what the hell they're referencing?

Also, this is why you are HORRENDOUSLY losing this argument. You gave a PITIFUL rebuttal to one of my posts, but you somehow can't give a response to this one:

"You still haven't proved jack here. Superman moves WAY faster than the speed of light. You're bringing up a pretty much mute point here, however I'll bite. LM was not attacking him at the speed of light. Cable has the brain reactions of a normal human. Yes he has TP and TK, however the reactions are the same. If he WAS actually blitzing him at the speed of light (which he wasn't), then it's PIS. Plain and simple. There's actually no reason why Cable can perceive things going at the speed of light. Superman has also gone so fast before that he created a boom tube in the time dimension and he instantly time travelled. That's quite an impressive feat considering Superman isn't tied to the speed force whatsoever. To give you an idea of exactly how fast that is, Kyle Rayner went from one end of the universe to the other in under a day. Pretty fast, no??? However, when he did this he didn't create a boom tube in the time dimension. So, we can safely assume that Superman was going much faster. Cable doesn't have the reaction speeds, bottom line. Show me Cable reacting to something even CLOSE to that fast please.

Really?? Well I'm inclined to disagree with you here. It goes against the majority of their showings. It doesn't really matter who exactly the writer is, it can still be PIS if it goes against the majority of the character's feats. You said yourself that the guy is an expert on Flash, that doesn't mean he knows a damn thing about Superman however. Also, Flash not moving past the speed of light is freakin ridiculous. Seriously, he has been shown to move HUNDREDS of times the speed of light. You saying that Flash shouldn't be able to move passed light speed only shows your lack of knowledge. Btw, I like how you are leaving out a bunch of what I said to you when you rebuttal. Don't think I don't notice it. You are fighting a losing battle here junior. Supes for the win 10/10."

I'm actually quite disappointed. 😬

Speedwise alone, Superman smokes cable..but it would never even get to that.... let's check the similarities...

Hmmm....

Both equal...

Originally posted by TheKahn
First, I don't require something to be stated for verification as a obvious demonstration is just as acceptable.

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Yes you do this is one example of the many that are in the threads...
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Originally posted by TheKahn
And please tell me where in this scan it refers to either Cable or Nate as Omega level mutants...
http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cable031032mh.jpg

What I was saying with this was how they compare them as being the same except that was when Cable was his most powerful because of the TO virus holding him back.

X-Man is a omega level mutant, no I don't have a scan which states it because I know YOU need it to state it when it suits someone elses argument......but not your own...pfff

Originally posted by TheKahn
The only problem is that the abilities you are claiming are not verified by either statements or unambiguous feats.

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Yes I did....

sigh

You just ignor them...

Originally posted by TheKahn
Taking the ball of light as an example, how can we definitively know if Cable was the only person who could see it?

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Yes I know you need it stated even though....nevermind I explained why.

Your above statment is just another contradiction BS logic....or lack of..

Originally posted by TheKahn
If it wasn't stated as such, then we have to assume that other individuals would be able to see a giant ball of light heading towards them. The idea that Cable was the only one is just something you've made up.

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No...no its not other people seeing it is something you made up.

Show me where other people spot it....

Originally posted by TheKahn
As for your "source," (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable), you do realize that fans write those articles, don't you? If you or I were to gain enough "respect" (I think that is how Marvel.com measures it) then we could edit that bio to say whatever we wanted.

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No this is more BS of you talking about something you have no clue about...

Do you know how loooong it takes to achieve status of posting on there freely?

It takes a real looong time.

Someone to achieve that status HAS to know a great deal about Marvel characters.

But its not even like that matters, because that person with that handle IS a mod there and he was the only person that is stated to have edited the bio at the bottom.

If someone else were to have then is would say another handle at the bottom.

But it doesn't.....

Originally posted by TheKahn
Also even assuming what the article says is true, having reflexes that enable you to dodge bullets isn't the same as having reflexes that enable you do dodge light.

What I was showing with that was that his eye is what helps him....

There was the bullet example in that and also a example of him reacting to someone who also has super speed with the eye.....

Originally posted by TheKahn
And were did you prove he responded to two characters moving at superspeed?

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sigh

Originally posted by TheKahn
In one scan he saw the Surfer traveling at subsonic speed and in the other he couldn't touch Lightmaster until he stopped moving.

God its like banging my head against a wall with you....

You asked that already and I answered....🙄

Originally posted by TheKahn
And even when he knew Lightmaster was coming directly at him, Cable could directly attack him.

So now you're saying he responed to someone at light speed.

Thats good, will take it one step at a time.

Originally posted by TheKahn
all he could manage was to make a defensive shield before Lightmaster got to him.

Okay this is good, you agree that he was able to defend himself against someone coming at light speed.

Now, remember I answered why thats all he did.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Now it is impressive that Cable was able to create the shield to deflect Lightmaster to a specific location, but that hardly qualifies as him having lightspeed reactions.

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sigh

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Originally posted by batdude123
Good one, considering I showed you scans of the fight dumbass.

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This is another reason why I don't respond to your Frankenstein posts.

I hope that metaphor isn't over your head...

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I know you meant stopping.

How does it make zero sense?

Its made from advanced tech from the future...

I could see how it wouldn't make sense if I said he did it with the other eye but...

I know they are inconsistent.

The Flash doesn't go faster then the speed of light otherwise he merges with the speed force.

No.....

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If we go by your crap logic of them not stating things then please show me where they STATE it was apparent to everyone.

They don't....

They only begin to react when Cable is shield starts to let through the light beams.

No, its not.

Look one of the official writers of the Marvel hand book even states that.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable

Yes he is one.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/User:ComiX-Fan

But he must juuust be a fanboy riiiight.....

I showed you a example of him reacting to two characters with super speed....

They did, I just haven't found the issue yet.

I already said that...

How is it not....

He was still going at a great speed...

He heard a noise.

If we go by your logic of not stating things then that noise coulda been anything..

I mean they didn't actually state that Surfer is what Cyclops heard.

Yeah Bunky, thats what we do.

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Oh, I dunno, maybe because he reacted to it....

Why do you keep repeating that?

No matter how you word it its still the same question.....

Correct...

Um...did you see why he didn't?
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4867/cd005220wg.jpg

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He reacted in a defensive manner to someone speedblitzing him at light speed....

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Yeah, thats probably why they got Silver Surfer to stop him.

Yes, but if we go by your nobody stated logic then he didn't.🙂

Supermans perceptions have to adjust....

Flash was out running him and he wasn't even going light speed and his perceptions were messed up....

But going buy your logic, do you have scans to back that up?

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Correct...

Wait....

Did they STATE that, because I don't think they did...

Correct...

Oh so you've read every appearance of his is what you're claiming?🙄

Yeah, I know you supposedly need things to be stated.

Here it says what I said about Cable a nd X-Man.
http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cable031032mh.jpg

Nothing you have shown has proved your point here. Lighmaster was going faster than the speed of light, however Cable was not ATTACKING him as you have previously stated. Lightmaster actually had to stop in order for Cable to BFR him. Cable was a sitting duck for LM. Cable wouldn't have beaten Lighmaster unless he stopped, which he did because all small time villains are dumbasses. Hey, I guess you and Lightmaster have something in common here. It still doesn't prove your point about anything. Cable didn't react at lightspeed. Your point is mute anyway because Superman can fly MUCH faster than the speed of light. Superman wouldn't give Cable the luxury of stopping and letting Cable attack him like LM did. He's going to continue to speedblitz him and not give him a second to think.

Also, you keep holding onto that one single shred of "evidence" you have Superman not being able to catch Flash when he wasn't even going lightspeed. That is completely retarded because it goes against the majority of Superman's feats. So, in essence that feat you keep bringing up is in a word: garbage. I could go on and one about the different times Superman has gone past the speed of light rather easily, however Kahn has done a nice job on the previous pages earlier showing some of thos feats. I would, however, like to bring up another instance for you. You probably didn't even read this in my previous post. Superman has gone so fast that he created a boom tube in the time dimension and has instaneous travelled in the future. Considering Superman isn't tied in with the speedforce in anyway, that's quite a feat. To give you an idea of how that is, Kyle Rayner has flown from one end of the universe to the other in under a day. Pretty fast, no??? However, Kyle didn't create a boom tube, so we can safely assume that Superman was going even faster than that. Your little feat contradicts everything Superman has done in the past. So with that you are being completely irrational.

Btw, you do know that marvel.com can be edited by anybody and is written by fans, don't you??? That's not concrete evidence right there. Also, if you want to SWEAR by that (which is illogical), then it states that Cable is able to track the movements of a bullet. Bullets can barely go faster than the speed of sound. Superman can go MANY times the speed of light. You get the picture??? Also, Silver Surfer wasn't going any faster than a bullet would go. Yet, he took down Cable with a couple of eye blasts. Superman could do that just as easily as the Surfer could. Quite litterally, nothing Cable could do to Superman would be fast enough. Cable doesn't have the reactions to deal with somebody of Superman's calibur.

Cable probably couldn't even mind control Superman. After all, it took Max Lord YEARS in order for him to accomplish that. Cable MIGHT be a better telepath than Lord, although it would still probably take him a good couple of months in order to do so. Besides, Superman could just as easily mind rape Cable before Cable even realized what hit him. Superman did use the exercise "T-Vo" against Dominus and completly confused him. Dominus is a damn near skyfather level character at that. If you're telling me that Cable is more powerful than him, well then I quit, because you are simply a fanboy of Cable's. Superman has almost limitless options of how to take care of Cable, but Cable's options just got that much narrower.

Bottom line; your arguement have holes in them and are completely illogical. You haven't given any substantial proof to back up what you are saying, and to be honest you are embarrassing yourself because of it. This would be easy money for Superman. Supes for the win 10/10.

The reason the same issue keep being brought up is that you don't answer them. You simply make up something (like Cable being an omega or Cable avoiding the Surfer at superspeed) and then ignore it when other people prove what you are saying is wrong. As for you evidence, you're depending on a single fight which is ambiguous at best and on a site where fans write the bios. As you seem to be the only one actually trying to make arguments, and I use the word loosely, in Cable's favor, there really isn't any point in continuing the debate. I think all the relevant points have been made and everyone can make a judgement based on those. 😬

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

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This is another reason why I don't respond to your Frankenstein posts.

I hope that metaphor isn't over your head...

Oh really?? Probably because you can't think of a decent rebuttal because you are a Cable fanboy, pure and simple. You don't want to deal with them, because you are completely and utterly wrong here. I'm the one with the Frankenstein posts??? Pfffffffft. 🙄 Hmm, you fail to use logic in your arguements, they have holes, you don't have proof, and nobody agrees with you. Nice going. 🙄 Please, if anything you're the one with the Frankenstein posts and you are just too easy to rebuttal. 😆

Originally posted by batdude123
Nothing you have shown has proved your point here. Lighmaster was going faster than the speed of light, however Cable was not ATTACKING him as you have previously stated. Lightmaster actually had to stop in order for Cable to BFR him. Cable was a sitting duck for LM. Cable wouldn't have beaten Lighmaster unless he stopped, which he did because all small time villains are dumbasses. Hey, I guess you and Lightmaster have something in common here. It still doesn't prove your point about anything. Cable didn't react at lightspeed. Your point is mute anyway because Superman can fly MUCH faster than the speed of light. Superman wouldn't give Cable the luxury of stopping and letting Cable attack him like LM did. He's going to continue to speedblitz him and not give him a second to think.

Also, you keep holding onto that one single shred of "evidence" you have Superman not being able to catch Flash when he wasn't even going lightspeed. That is completely retarded because it goes against the majority of Superman's feats. So, in essence that feat you keep bringing up is in a word: garbage. I could go on and one about the different times Superman has gone past the speed of light rather easily, however Kahn has done a nice job on the previous pages earlier showing some of thos feats. I would, however, like to bring up another instance for you. You probably didn't even read this in my previous post. Superman has gone so fast that he created a boom tube in the time dimension and has instaneous travelled in the future. Considering Superman isn't tied in with the speedforce in anyway, that's quite a feat. To give you an idea of how that is, Kyle Rayner has flown from one end of the universe to the other in under a day. Pretty fast, no??? However, Kyle didn't create a boom tube, so we can safely assume that Superman was going even faster than that. Your little feat contradicts everything Superman has done in the past. So with that you are being completely irrational.

Btw, you do know that marvel.com can be edited by anybody and is written by fans, don't you??? That's not concrete evidence right there. Also, if you want to SWEAR by that (which is illogical), then it states that Cable is able to track the movements of a bullet. Bullets can barely go faster than the speed of sound. Superman can go MANY times the speed of light. You get the picture??? Also, Silver Surfer wasn't going any faster than a bullet would go. Yet, he took down Cable with a couple of eye blasts. Superman could do that just as easily as the Surfer could. Quite litterally, nothing Cable could do to Superman would be fast enough. Cable doesn't have the reactions to deal with somebody of Superman's calibur.

Cable probably couldn't even mind control Superman. After all, it took Max Lord YEARS in order for him to accomplish that. Cable MIGHT be a better telepath than Lord, although it would still probably take him a good couple of months in order to do so. Besides, Superman could just as easily mind rape Cable before Cable even realized what hit him. Superman did use the exercise "T-Vo" against Dominus and completly confused him. Dominus is a damn near skyfather level character at that. If you're telling me that Cable is more powerful than him, well then I quit, because you are simply a fanboy of Cable's. Superman has almost limitless options of how to take care of Cable, but Cable's options just got that much narrower.

Bottom line; your arguement have holes in them and are completely illogical. You haven't given any substantial proof to back up what you are saying, and to be honest you are embarrassing yourself because of it. This would be easy money for Superman. Supes for the win 10/10.

I get through your first sentence and its just another contradiction to what you're trying to prove he can't do.😂

I noticed you reffered to Geoff Johns as just "the guy"....pffff

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He is not just some writer....

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I get through your first sentence and its just another contradiction to what you're trying to prove he can't do.😂

I noticed you reffered to Geoff Johns as just "the guy"....pffff

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He is not just some writer....

Once again, just another measely horrible rebuttal to a post that basically kicked your ass. 🙄 Seriously, you have lost all credibility with me, you argue horribly and there is really no point in debatting with you because you fail to see logic. Yeah, if you were to actually READ my comment on the Flash and Superman feat, you would actually see my point. Seriously, Kahn has already posted a slew of scans that prove Superman is WAY faster than the speed of light. In fact where Superman flew DS to the sun he was going 240X the speed of light. I even threw in another speed feat for you. Wow, you're like arguing with a three year old. 🙄 Grow up if you want to argue with the big boys. 😉

ST0RM SHAD0W=OWNED

Props to Kahn, Avalon, Swanky, and everybody else who has a brain. 😊

Nothing you have shown has proved your point here. Lighmaster was going faster than the speed of light, however Cable was not ATTACKING him as you have previously stated. Lightmaster actually had to stop in order for Cable to BFR him. Cable was a sitting duck for LM. Cable wouldn't have beaten Lighmaster unless he stopped, which he did because all small time villains are dumbasses. Hey, I guess you and Lightmaster have something in common here. It still doesn't prove your point about anything. Cable didn't react at lightspeed. Your point is mute anyway because Superman can fly MUCH faster than the speed of light. Superman wouldn't give Cable the luxury of stopping and letting Cable attack him like LM did. He's going to continue to speedblitz him and not give him a second to think.

You're right Cable isn't lightspeed, he is enhanced, the villian thing works for TONS of Superman villians so thats just subjective as hell.

Also, you keep holding onto that one single shred of "evidence" you have Superman not being able to catch Flash when he wasn't even going lightspeed. That is completely retarded because it goes against the majority of Superman's feats. So, in essence that feat you keep bringing up is in a word: garbage. I could go on and one about the different times Superman has gone past the speed of light rather easily, however Kahn has done a nice job on the previous pages earlier showing some of thos feats. I would, however, like to bring up another instance for you. You probably didn't even read this in my previous post. Superman has gone so fast that he created a boom tube in the time dimension and has instaneous travelled in the future. Considering Superman isn't tied in with the speedforce in anyway, that's quite a feat. To give you an idea of how that is, Kyle Rayner has flown from one end of the universe to the other in under a day. Pretty fast, no??? However, Kyle didn't create a boom tube, so we can safely assume that Superman was going even faster than that. Your little feat contradicts everything Superman has done in the past. So with that you are being completely irrational.

So what, its a one time feat and done in space not on Earth it really has no inherent value in this conversation.

Btw, you do know that marvel.com can be edited by anybody and is written by fans, don't you??? That's not concrete evidence right there. Also, if you want to SWEAR by that (which is illogical), then it states that Cable is able to track the movements of a bullet. Bullets can barely go faster than the speed of sound. Superman can go MANY times the speed of light. You get the picture??? Also, Silver Surfer wasn't going any faster than a bullet would go. Yet, he took down Cable with a couple of eye blasts. Superman could do that just as easily as the Surfer could. Quite litterally, nothing Cable could do to Superman would be fast enough. Cable doesn't have the reactions to deal with somebody of Superman's calibur.

Cable can also react and dodge bullets while tracking them, now I realize that isn't Superman worthy fast regardless. SS took down Cable not becuase of Cable's abilities as much as "power" he used up. Much as with this fight he couldn't put up the power against Superman. You don't know how fast SS was going in that fight, do you?

Cable probably couldn't even mind control Superman. After all, it took Max Lord YEARS in order for him to accomplish that. Cable MIGHT be a better telepath than Lord, although it would still probably take him a good couple of months in order to do so. Besides, Superman could just as easily mind rape Cable before Cable even realized what hit him. Superman did use the exercise "T-Vo" against Dominus and completly confused him. Dominus is a damn near skyfather level character at that. If you're telling me that Cable is more powerful than him, well then I quit, because you are simply a fanboy of Cable's. Superman has almost limitless options of how to take care of Cable, but Cable's options just got that much narrower.

I HIGHLY DOUBT Maxlord is one tenth the power or skill of Cable, who was trained by the Askani in the future timeline from birth. Then when his powers were amped EXPONENTIALLY he not only has the power but the training and the will, hey guess what he was able to connect with SS telepathically as well and he is a MONSTER at resisting TP. Maxlord is a f-n chump compared to Cable at this point in power.

I just wanted to point out these things🙂 Cable can still eek out a win and I would give him 1 maybe 2 out of 10

Originally posted by TheKahn
The reason the same issue keep being brought up is that you don't answer them. You simply make up something (like Cable being an omega or Cable avoiding the Surfer at superspeed)

I've been saying he reacted to Surfer at superspeed, and he did.

Well I know YOU need it stated to you that he was omega, but I did answer why it can be rightly assumed he was omega at that point....

Originally posted by TheKahn
and then ignore it when other people prove what you are saying is wrong.

Your proof of me being wrong has been because they didn't state something.....yadda yadda yadda.

Originally posted by TheKahn
As for you evidence, you're depending on a single fight which is ambiguous at best

Yeah, but when you post a ambiguous feat and rely on mathmatics to try and prove it right you expect me to run with it.🙄

Originally posted by TheKahn
and on a site where fans write the bios.

Why are you blowing it off as something as easy as that, when its alot more complicated then that?😕

The Cable bio wasn't even fan writen.

Originally posted by TheKahn
As you seem to be the only one actually trying to make arguments,

Yeah, against DC fans who have Superman in there sigs and other related DC characters.

The funny thing is I like Superman better then Cable....

Originally posted by TheKahn
I think all the relevant points have been made and everyone can make a judgement based on those. 😬

I agree.

Originally posted by Soleran
So what, its a one time feat and done in space not on Earth it really has no inherent value in this conversation.

However, he has plenty of feats that suggest he is much faster than the speed of light. Kahn has already posted these pictures. ST0RM is basing Superman's ENTIRE speed around one feat that contradicts the majority of what Superman has done. Besides, you're the one assuming this battle takes place on earth. Nobody said the fight was on earth. Cable is more than comfortable fighting in space. If you want to assume such things, fine; however assuming makes an ASS out of U and ME. 🙂

Originally posted by Soleran
Cable can also react and dodge bullets while tracking them, now I realize that isn't Superman worthy fast regardless. SS took down Cable not becuase of Cable's abilities as much as "power" he used up. Much as with this fight he couldn't put up the power against Superman. You don't know how fast SS was going in that fight, do you?

Kahn has already proved that SS wasn't even going passed the speed of sound, so this point is utterly mute.

Originally posted by Soleran
I HIGHLY DOUBT Maxlord is one tenth the power or skill of Cable, who was trained by the Askani in the future timeline from birth. Then when his powers were amped EXPONENTIALLY he not only has the power but the training and the will, hey guess what he was able to connect with SS telepathically as well and he is a MONSTER at resisting TP. Maxlord is a f-n chump compared to Cable at this point in power. [/B]

The difference between you and me, is that I don't go assuming that Max Lord isn't as good as Cable is considering they haven't had a direct confrontation in battle. Max Lord has easily mind controlled a thousand people. Cable may be better, but you are making it seem like Cable would blow Max right out of the water without much proof of anything. Max Lord is very powerful, and it still took him years to mind controll Superman. That's not demonstrating Max Lord's tp, that's demonstrating Superman's resistence to it. Cable would be hardpressed to penetrate Superman's mind within the duration of this fight. Besides, that wasn't even my point of that paragraph. Superman's reaction speeds are much greater than Cable's. Superman has mentally controlled Dominus who is a damn near skyfather level being. What's to stop Superman from mentally wiping Cable???

Originally posted by Soleran
I just wanted to point out these things🙂 Cable can still eek out a win and I would give him 1 maybe 2 out of 10 [/B]

Superman would have to fight like a complete retard in order to lose to Cable. He can easily use his speed, and greater reaction times to mop the floor with Cable 10/10.

However, he has plenty of feats that suggest he is much faster than the speed of light. Kahn has already posted these pictures. ST0RM is basing Superman's ENTIRE speed around one feat that contradicts the majority of what Superman has done. Besides, you're the one assuming this battle takes place on earth. Nobody said the fight was on earth. Cable is more than comfortable fighting in space. If you want to assume such things, fine; however assuming makes an ASS out of U and ME. 🙂

Ok, this whole paragraph is a total waste, I wasn't refutting you just telling you it your initial paragragh had little to no value in the disucssion. No one stated the fighting grounds so tell me where do 99% of all match's occur unless stated otherwise? Yeah on Earth.........don't use witty quips then leave yourself open for a bite on the ass.

Kahn has already proved that SS wasn't even going passed the speed of sound, so this point is utterly mute.

It was initially noted when SS was first spotted he wasn't going the speed of sound, after that who know how fast they were fighting, is this one of those assumptions again..........................pot kettle black.

The difference between you and me, is that I don't go assuming that Max Lord isn't as good as Cable is considering they haven't had a direct confrontation in battle. Max Lord has easily mind controlled a thousand people. Cable may be better, but you are making it seem like Cable would blow Max right out of the water without much proof of anything. Max Lord is very powerful, and it still took him years to mind controll Superman. That's not demonstrating Max Lord's tp, that's demonstrating Superman's resistence to it. Cable would be hardpressed to penetrate Superman's mind within the duration of this fight. Besides, that wasn't even my point of that paragraph. Superman's reaction speeds are much greater than Cable's. Superman has mentally controlled Dominus who is a damn near skyfather level being. What's to stop Superman from mentally wiping Cable???

No Cable was able to enter SS's mind in the fight and guess what he has ridiculuos resistance to TP, it didn't take him years like Max either. There, you have some proof in that Cable was able to communicate mentally with SS as they were fighting. Max is a human goon compared to Cable................who by the way before his power up defeated X-man who mind wiped all of New York on a whim. Once again look up Askani or I can hook you up with a link so you can look, Superman, Maxlord etc have had NO where near the training as Cable.

Superman would have to fight like a complete retard in order to lose to Cable. He can easily use his speed, and greater reaction times to mop the floor with Cable 10/10. [/B]

Wait fight like a retard, kinda like low showing when MM mind controlled him? It's well within his Character to lose 1 or 2 times.......he's lost to lesser for as you would say storylines.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yes it is. So keep your mouth shut about Supes upgrades. 😉

Good reason. Unfortunately it falters in the same way with the villain. Make the villain too powerful and then they lose in ridiculous ways or unbelievable ways.

and thanos isnt krona.

as soon as cable catches his brain, he'll do it, yeah i dont thiink he can do it either when hes koed, or rippped apart, and isnt this regular cable!?!?!?!?!?!? arguement over.