Originally posted by bigbran
Based off of the other people Thor fights, based off of Thor comics, and how he differs from when he fights Hulk.
Originally posted by bigbran
Based off of him lifting up the Midgard serpent.
A lot of things to base off of.
Originally posted by bigbran
Also, Hulk isn't as strong as Superman. He would need to get pretty mad to reach that level.
Originally posted by AccelI mean with anything basically.
Do you mean with or without his hammer and other exotic powers?
Originally posted by AccelLike what? Igniting the cosmos, with a puch? And yet, he can't KO a lot of people with one simple punch?
And Hulk has shown feats ont his level easily as well. Considering the number of times Hulk's matched Thor is strength, I don;t see why it's so hard to believe that Hulk could actually be physically equal or even superior to Thor.
Clapping a universe destroying attack away? And yet, he can't even KO Wolverine with one?
Catching a mountain? Do I even have to say that this is pis? He wasn't even angry.
Resisting the attraction between two objects, that SPIDER-MAN said was impossible?
What else is there?
Originally posted by AccelOh, ya, I'll completely agree that Hulk is on Superman's level....
I also wonder where this comes from. Hulk's has shown Superman-level strength dozens of times. When does it ever take him hours to reach the appropriate levels he needs to accomplish any physical task?
as Mindless.
Hulk doesn't take him that long to accomplish something, I'll give you that, but when has he attempted to lift things that weigh about as much as a planet?
What feats do you have there, that put him on that level?
Is it that one where he moves something that is way bigger than a solar system?
Is it that one where he catches a being that weighs as much as a galaxy/I don't know how heavy Spectre is, with Wonder Woman's help (which isn't much)?
What about the one, where Hulk (Black Adam did this) faced Spectre for a panel or two?
Originally posted by bigbran
I mean with anything basically.
Have you seen Thor use exotic powers on Hulk?
Have you seen Thor use fighting skills on Hulk?Like what? Igniting the cosmos, with a puch? And yet, he can't KO a lot of people with one simple punch?
Clapping a universe destroying attack away? And yet, he can't even KO Wolverine with one?
Catching a mountain? Do I even have to say that this is pis? He wasn't even angry.
Resisting the attraction between two objects, that SPIDER-MAN said was impossible?
What else is there?
Oh, ya, I'll completely agree that Hulk is on Superman's level....
as Mindless.
Hulk doesn't take him that long to accomplish something, I'll give you that, but when has he attempted to lift things that weigh about as much as a planet?
What feats do you have there, that put him on that level?
Is it that one where he moves something that is way bigger than a solar system?
Is it that one where he catches a being that weighs as much as a galaxy/I don't know how heavy Spectre is, with Wonder Woman's help (which isn't much)?
Check the respect thread on AM. I think we've got some stuff on there. If not, I can get ahold of Johnathanos and see what he says.
Originally posted by Howard_JonesI've looked through it, a couple times...
Check the respect thread on AM. I think we've got some stuff on there. If not, I can get ahold of Johnathanos and see what he says.
Yes, but this is what I'm saying, not anyone else.
My opinion, not Johnathanos's, not anyone elses, but mine.
I also don't care if he says Hulk can beat LT, if he needs to come in here, and own me, then fine, get him.
Originally posted by bigbran
I mean with anything basically.
Have you seen Thor use exotic powers on Hulk?
Have you seen Thor use fighting skills on Hulk?
Fact is, however, he has engaged Hulk many, many times with good ol’ fisticuffs and a good amount of the time has either been stalemated or whupped.
Originally posted by bigbran
Like what? Igniting the cosmos, with a puch? And yet, he can't KO a lot of people with one simple punch?Clapping a universe destroying attack away? And yet, he can't even KO Wolverine with one?
Catching a mountain? Do I even have to say that this is pis? He wasn't even angry.
Resisting the attraction between two objects, that SPIDER-MAN said was impossible?
What else is there?
Any way, others include breaking the Eternal Flame, the Celestial-level device, (as was witnessed by one of the Celestials IIRC), destroying a being as strong as Thor in only a few punches, and braking out of the Silver Surfer’s barrier. Every thing else you listed there is good too.
As for the matter-anti matter feat, it’s been stated by multiple writers that the force exerted by the two spheres was infinite, meaning one required infinite strength to separate them as Hulk did.
Originally posted by bigbran
Oh, ya, I'll completely agree that Hulk is on Superman's level....as Mindless.
Hulk doesn't take him that long to accomplish something, I'll give you that, but when has he attempted to lift things that weigh about as much as a planet?
What feats do you have there, that put him on that level?
Is it that one where he moves something that is way bigger than a solar system?
Is it that one where he catches a being that weighs as much as a galaxy/I don't know how heavy Spectre is, with Wonder Woman's help (which isn't much)?
What about the one, where Hulk (Black Adam did this) faced Spectre for a panel or two?
Originally posted by bigbranNow here is a topic I want to get to the bottom of. I keep hearing Namor one-shotted Bill. But only seen the one panel but have heard that Bill was up on the next page. Can somebody post the whole page of the fight rather than just a single panel?
Never one-shotted Beta... he did however manage to hit him, and knock him over.
Beta was up in the next panel/page.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Now here is a topic I want to get to the bottom of. I keep hearing Namor one-shotted Bill. But only seen the one panel but have heard that Bill was up on the next page. Can somebody post the whole page of the fight rather than just a single panel?
I'll get it by tomorrow. He knocked Bill on his ass though with one shot. Bill was astonished at how strong he was.
Originally posted by AccelWell, in the Thor/Hulk fights, it certainly doesn't show much of Thor, now does it?
Well yeah, if Thor uses his other powers he’d own Hulk, but that doesn’t prove he’s stronger then, now does it? 😕
Originally posted by AccelCould I say the same thing about Wolverine, and say that him and Hulk are near equals?
Fact is, however, he has engaged Hulk many, many times with good ol’ fisticuffs and a good amount of the time has either been stalemated or whupped.
Originally posted by AccelDetsroying the planet is a simple thing.
So just because he, say, destroys a planetoid 2X the size of earth and then fails to KO Spider-Man, that means the feat doesn’t mean any thing?
I’ve seen a mind-controlled, blood-lusted Superman fail to kill Batman by repeatedly punching him in the face. Obviously he didn’t show any planet-towing strength there.
Umm, are we using pis to support arguments now, because both you and I know, that Superman would kill Batman with a flick...
A peak human even taking one shot by Supes, is pis.
Originally posted by AccelCan I say a Thor feat? Cracking Exitar's head open with one might strike. Could Hulk do this?
Any way, others include breaking the Eternal Flame, the Celestial-level device, (as was witnessed by one of the Celestials IIRC), destroying a being as strong as Thor in only a few punches, and braking out of the Silver Surfer’s barrier. Every thing else you listed there is good too.
Who was this guy Hulk destroyed, that was on Thor's level?
Are you talking about Bannerless Hulk vs Surfer?
Originally posted by AccelWriters also stated that Juggernaut is stronger than Hulk, but I remember you argueing agaisnt that.
As for the matter-anti matter feat, it’s been stated by multiple writers that the force exerted by the two spheres was infinite, meaning one required infinite strength to separate them as Hulk did.
Also, if you are talking about infinite strength, how infinite do you mean?
Eternity has infinite strength, or does Eternity have infinite strength plus one?
Infinite would be implying that Hulk is on that level...
Can't you just say that he needed incredibly high strength, instead of going overboard?
Also, wasn't Hulk mad here? The whole arguement was that Hulk needed to get mad to reach Supe's level. Your giving me examples of him mad.
Originally posted by AccelThe Celestial order seemed like pussies. Didn't Namor knock a couple around?
Most of his greatest feats aren’t lifting feats. Closest analogy I can think of for the Spectre feat would be breaking the Crimson Bands of Cytorak, but iirc, Dr. Strange was in his astral form at time. In regards to the Black Adam moment, Hulk has faced the Celestial Oder, as well as Onslaught.
Now if you had some real Celestials, and Hulk knocking them around... I would call pis.
You mean a Hulk that only knew rage fought Onslaught?
I thought a calm Hulk was only a step away from being at that level, now your giving me mad feats?
Like I said, a mad Hulk is the only kind that is on that level.
Maybe a little bit of a madder one...
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Now here is a topic I want to get to the bottom of. I keep hearing Namor one-shotted Bill. But only seen the one panel but have heard that Bill was up on the next page. Can somebody post the whole page of the fight rather than just a single panel?
Originally posted by Howard_JonesI thought another member mentioned BRB saying he's been hit harder?
I'll get it by tomorrow. He knocked Bill on his ass though with one shot. Bill was astonished at how strong he was.
I'm starting to wonder if I should go around saying Colossus one-shotted Juggernaut 😖hifty:
Originally posted by bigbran
Well, in the Thor/Hulk fights, it certainly doesn't show much of Thor, now does it?
Originally posted by bigbran
Could I say the same thing about Wolverine, and say that him and Hulk are near equals?
Originally posted by bigbran
Detsroying the planet is a simple thing.
Here, is an example.
Hulk broke a asteroid twice the size of Earth. Because of his duribility and his monentum.
He wouldn't have to, because of his duribility, and how fast he was going.
Really, strength had nothing to do with that feat.
If a baseball goes through a wooden door, does this mean that the baseball is ultra strong?
Originally posted by bigbran
Umm, are we using pis to support arguments now, because both you and I know, that Superman would kill Batman with a flick...
A peak human even taking one shot by Supes, is pis.
Originally posted by bigbran
Can I say a Thor feat? Cracking Exitar's head open with one might strike. Could Hulk do this?Who was this guy Hulk destroyed, that was on Thor's level?
Are you talking about Bannerless Hulk vs Surfer?
2. Crypto-Man
3. No, Savage Hulk. In the Order, Surfer tried to contain him in a barrier right after Strange turned him form Grey Hulk to Savage Hulk and he broke free.
Originally posted by bigbran
Writers also stated that Juggernaut is stronger than Hulk, but I remember you argueing agaisnt that.
Hardly the same thing.
Originally posted by bigbran
Also, if you are talking about infinite strength, how infinite do you mean?
Eternity has infinite strength, or does Eternity have infinite strength plus one?
Infinite would be implying that Hulk is on that level...Can't you just say that he needed incredibly high strength, instead of going overboard?
It was an outrageous feat, just like you asked for.
Originally posted by bigbran
Also, wasn't Hulk mad here? The whole arguement was that Hulk needed to get mad to reach Supe's level. Your giving me examples of him mad.
My argument is that his base strength is close to Supes’s level and he can quickly and easily reach said level.
Originally posted by bigbran
The Celestial order seemed like pussies. Didn't Namor knock a couple around?
Originally posted by bigbran
Now if you had some real Celestials, and Hulk knocking them around... I would call pis.
Originally posted by bigbran
You mean a Hulk that only knew rage fought Onslaught?
I thought a calm Hulk was only a step away from being at that level, now your giving me mad feats?
Originally posted by bigbran
Like I said, a mad Hulk is the only kind that is on that level.
Maybe a little bit of a madder one...
Fact remains, he only starts out a little behind the likes of Superman and can quickly reach his level. Saying he starts nowhere near that strength level is just ludicrous.
Oh ya, thanks.
Suffered far worse, not KOed!
Originally posted by AccelMaybe, maybe not, but his skills/powers sure are.
Obviously, how strong he is isn’t being ignored.
Originally posted by AccelYes, but, you said they stalemate/Thor loses most of the time, so I'm using another example.
They’re not shown to be equals in strength now are they? Especially not like Thor and Hulk.
Originally posted by AccelYa, but Hulk still had the momentum to keep moving even after the asteroid was destroyed.
A baseball needs to be moving at really high speeds to do that. Hulk was only sent towards the asteroid on special springs. No real speed to speak of. Strength however, had every thing to do with it.
Originally posted by AccelJust saying...
You mean like trying to discredit Hulk’s greatest thunderclap with his fights with Wolverine?
Originally posted by AccelMaybe.
1. With a weapon like Mjolnir? Sure.2. Crypto-Man
3. No, Savage Hulk. In the Order, Surfer tried to contain him in a barrier right after Strange turned him form Grey Hulk to Savage Hulk and he broke free.
Good for him, how many feats does he have to prove it? Cause I sure as hell, know Thor isn't going to be tore apart like that (other than that one time with Hulk... ewww).
Oh, so he only broke a herald levels barrier? I remember Bannerless Hulk, not being able to break a shield.
Originally posted by AccelI thought it was Stan Lee, or someone on that level.
That was a random group of editors giving their opinion. Later on another group of editors said that issue was still unresolved.
Originally posted by AccelStill editors.
Hardly the same thing.
Originally posted by AccelI never claimed Superman's strength to be infinite, now did I?
You mean overboard like Superman lifting half the weight of the universe (Spectre)?
Originally posted by AccelIndeed...
It was an outrageous feat, just like you asked for.
Originally posted by AccelI mean at his normal form, right when he tranforms.
Of course he was mad. He’s always mad. The important thing, however, is that he had just transformed into Hulk seconds before he performed this feat.
Originally posted by AccelMy arguement, is that he is not.
My argument is that his base strength is close to Supes’s level and he can quickly and easily reach said level.
Originally posted by AccelYa, they also killed Strange, and Hulk was able to beat the shit out of them... imagine that.
Not that I recall. From what I do remember, they were giving Strange, Genis, and even Thanos problems.
Originally posted by AccelI said, he fought, for like two panels.
But you’ll accept Black Adam holding his own against Spectre? Please.
Originally posted by AccelYa, but this isn't base Hulk, now is it?
You wanted an analogy of Hulk fighting some uber cosmic being. What did you expect?
Originally posted by AccelNo, but I meant, an actual, mad/pissed Hulk.
Well, yeah, obviously Hulk’s not on their level if he’s in a playful or happy mood, but then again, he’s never really on that level right?
Originally posted by AccelI never said he was no where near that level. I said, he would have to get mad to get there.
Fact remains, he only starts out a little behind the likes of Superman and can quickly reach his level. Saying he starts nowhere near that strength level is just ludicrous.
Also would you put Thing at close to Superman's level? I remember Thing fighting Hulk a couple of times.
