Sam Raimi Discussion

Originally posted by rouge24
i know, you should look at the one that he and i had on the "who cares about the villians? it will be a man-spider movie again" thread

Yeah I saw it.

He's been banned from several other websites for exactly this type of behaviour.

Originally posted by rouge24
actually, i wasn't talking to you, i was talking to doc ock... and besides, if you didn't like change, you wouldn't like the different comics that they've made and since you haven't said anything about that, then that must mean that you like them....

of course I like change. As long as the changes are reasonable I am all for changes.Like in the comics the green goblin throws organic pumpkin bombs.well in the movie the pumpkin bombs are metal.Guess what? I liked that change because its reasonable. also in the comics.Betty Brant is Petes first love.Well in the movies,Mary Jane is.Guess what? I dont mind that change because its reasonable. those changes equal reasonable changes.Organics equal moronic changes. 🙄

Originally posted by The Joker#1
Doctor Octopus did not have organic tentacles 😬

I know. 😉 But I wish he had had them in man-spider two so doc would know how it feels to have sony rape to death a character thats near and dear to you like spidey is to me.

but, the "moronic" change made sense to people who had never picked up a spider-man comic, comic book readers aren't the only ones who go see movies like this. look at the recent x-men movie, i didn't like the way phoenix was done, but it more made sense to people who had never read about her, it made more sense to have it be a split personalty that have some cosmic being take over the woman's body.

Originally posted by rouge24
but, the "moronic" change made sense to people who had never picked up a spider-man comic, comic book readers aren't the only ones who go see movies like this.

And that's something he'll never understand.

True but the chemical shooters would not have hurt the box office take at the box office one bit.People would not have given a split seconds thought about the chemical shooters like those sony idiots and Raimi try to make people believe.They realise its all just fantasy and make believe that the whole thing of spider-man is unbelievable.

Originally posted by Doc Ock
And that's something he'll never understand.

i don't understand people who don't like movies just because of one thing, i mean, it they'd done something like peter killing his uncle or giving him 8 arms, i'd get it, but organics? come on....

Originally posted by Mr Parker
True but the chemical shooters would not have hurt the box office take at the box office one bit.

maybe, but it would still be just a little bit confusing for people to see him trying to come up with some kind of formula to make the webbing....

Originally posted by rouge24
i don't understand people who don't like movies just because of one thing, i mean, it they'd done something like peter killing his uncle or giving him 8 arms, i'd get it, but organics? come on....

Exactly.

It's not as if the organics change who Peter is. Does he wall crawl?? Yes. Does he web swing?? Yes. Does he wear the classic Spidey costume?? Yes. Does he shoot webs?? Yes. It's just he shoots them organically rather than from a webshooter.

Wow, big deal.

Originally posted by rouge24
i don't understand people who don't like movies just because of one thing, i mean, it they'd done something like peter killing his uncle or giving him 8 arms, i'd get it, but organics? come on....

if you had bothered reading all my previous posts you would see where I said it was by far a lot more than organics that ruined the movie for me.the movie looked like it was written by a 5 year old.Go through and read though the posts to see why i say they looked like they were written by a 5 year old because I dont want to repeat it again. 8 arms or just organics,makes no differece,they are raping to death his character. and that is man-spider on the screen,not spider-man. 🙄

Originally posted by rouge24
maybe, but it would still be just a little bit confusing for people to see him trying to come up with some kind of formula to make the webbing....

Not when you got a great and clever screenwriter writing the movies.

it's not the director's fault if people think it's written badly, it's the writer's fault... take it up with the writer, not the director...

Originally posted by rouge24
it's not the director's fault if people think it's written badly, it's the writer's fault... take it up with the writer, not the director...

Again if you had bothered reading through all my previous posts you would see where I dont put ALL the blame on Raimi.That I have said that David Koepp the screenwriter for the first film is an idiot and that most the blame for the first films failures is because of Koepp.He was clearly the wrong choice to write these films.The second film was not near as horrible because Koepp wasnt the screenwriter.

Raimi is to blame for things like the casting choice of Mcguire who's voice makes me cringe when he talks.and the horrible casting Of dunst as M.J. Raimi is to blame for her acting like Gwen instead of mary jane,he's the director.But no,I hardly put all the blame on Raimi.Sony more than anything is who I blame mostly. These sony producers are the ones I usually blame more than anybody else when i criticise the man-spider movies.

i think mcguire does a good job as spidey, he fits it in a way. he's done a way better job than previous actors taking on superhero roles.

Yeah I agree with you on that.Unlike Dunst he has done a good job with his role. He definetely looks the part.Like I said,I like him okay as Peter but I just cant stand him as spider-man because I dont like the sound of his voice.makes me cringe and for such an important and critical role like peter parker/spider-man its critical to have an actor that has a good voice for spidey especially which unfortuantly Mcguire doesnt.

oh well, it could have been reversed, we could've ended up with a guy that has the voice but doesn't look the part...

yeah thats true.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Again if you had bothered reading through all my previous posts you would see where I dont put ALL the blame on Raimi.That I have said that David Koepp the screenwriter for the first film is an idiot and that most the blame for the first films failures is because of Koepp.He was clearly the wrong choice to write these films.The second film was not near as horrible because Koepp wasnt the screenwriter.

Raimi is to blame for things like the casting choice of Mcguire who's voice makes me cringe when he talks.and the horrible casting Of dunst as M.J. Raimi is to blame for her acting like Gwen instead of mary jane,he's the director.But no,I hardly put all the blame on Raimi.Sony more than anything is who I blame mostly. These sony producers are the ones I usually blame more than anybody else when i criticise the man-spider movies.

exactly

Originally posted by Mr Parker
come to my country,I guarantee you,the wrath is major here from the people I talk to in REAL life.Here in this city anyways 😄 Most of them tell me they hated it

that nazi site shh is run by those nazi jerks mirko and dew k mosi who give the human race a bad name.they ban people there just for making a thread with the title man-spider in it and dont do a damn thing about trolls like ddrskata, menoscene-aka symbyotica or whatever the hell she calls herself, da crowe and slag. I just dont use the logic of the NET to make these absurd claims that most people like them when the net doesnt account for everybody out there. 🙄 and about the internet geek comment,I am referring to those morons over at shh such as dew k mosi,mirko,malice,ddrskata,da crowe and other net sites such IMDB to clear that. nobody here at KMC. 😉

You are 100% exactly right my friend,this Doc Ock is in major denial like most Man-Spider fans.

Originally posted by Doc Ock
Most people do like the movies.

You just have to read the reviews of fans and critics alike to see that 🙂

Trust me most people I know hate the Spider-Man films,just the other day I heard a bunch of people groaning during the Spider-Man 3 trailer,they were like not another one of those aweful films.