Socialism is giving into human corruption and basicly telling the governement to run certain parts of your life for you.
Communism is blatintly giving away all human rights you have to the corrupt and power hungry.
Of course Capitalism isnt pefect either but its a hell of a lot better than the alternitives
Originally posted by jaden101
let me do the honour of showing why socialism will never workbehold the Scottish socialist party
http://www.scottishsocialistparty.org/
among their brilliant policies is to increase the national minimum wage to around £7.50 per hour...yet they freely admit that in order to pay for it for the public sector workers...the would have to tax it all back off everyone both in the public and private sector
not to mention the brilliant latest headlines involving members of the SSP
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/65475.html
http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.uk/content/default.asp?page=s1_1_1&newsid=12093socialism at its best...
or you could look at Cuba as shining example of socialist ideals...where the average monthly wage is $10us a month...all while castro has amassed a wealth estimated at around $900,000,000us
So do you think that a minimum wage of £7.50 is a bad idea?
Do you think Cuba is technically socialist and/or communist?
Do you think that headlines of what SSP does proves that socialism is impossible?
Originally posted by Grimm22
Socialism is giving into human corruption and basicly telling the governement to run certain parts of your life for you.Communism is blatintly giving away all human rights you have to the corrupt and power hungry.
Since there has never been working Communism or Socialism in the world, (the USSR was based on state-controlled capitalism), how do you know this?
Originally posted by The Omega
Why do you think that Communism requires everyone to be THE SAME? Different people have different skills and different things they’re good at.
Who’d you rather have surgery performed by? A surgeon who’s “in it” because he really, truly wants to help and heal… or the surgeon who’s “in it” to earn big money?
you didn't say anything there. the basic premis of communisim is not working for yourself but for the "greater good" you dont try to stock pile personally wealth, you do things for those around you. a surgon can still be a surgon but he wont be driving a $95.000 car or live in a mansion. its got nothing to do with "who is in it for the money," if communisim worked noone would be in it for the money
Originally posted by tabby999
you didn't say anything there. the basic premis of communisim is not working for yourself but for the "greater good" you dont try to stock pile personally wealth, you do things for those around you. a surgon can still be a surgon but he wont be driving a $95.000 car or live in a mansion. its got nothing to do with "who is in it for the money," if communisim worked noone would be in it for the money
The purpose of any system that eliminates choice is not to achieve a state of "greater good" for the people within it, but instead it is meant to fulfill the self serving agendas and desires of those who have administered it.
Originally posted by Osaka
Capitalism because I have a better chance at keeping what I earn and I would have more opportunities to change my financial situation if I needed to.
The possibility of you improving your financial situation depends on how much exploitation upper class is willing to exercise over you.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The possibility of you improving your financial situation depends on how much exploitation upper class is willing to exercise over you.
While that may be true to a certain degree, your comment utterly victimizes and sends a message that no matter what you do, you're stuck and its us vs them.
This maybe true for some people, yet I am also constantly amazed when people stop making excuses and playing the victim role that things can change rather quickly with positive financial results.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh there is a constructive argument!Your debating skills are that of a 10 year old. Be gone.
Haha, I understand you do not enjoy people calling you on the nonsense you write, but that's just actually not true. If you work hard and have good ideas you have every chance to advance your situation. There are still certain rules in place, it's not a total anarchy just a very slim government. And if you have some skill that will be able to make money you will get money, that just doesn't apply to 95% of the people, well, if you are an idiot and can't add anything productive you don't deserve luxuries people that can have.
Originally posted by tabby999
you didn't say anything there. the basic premis of communisim is not working for yourself but for the "greater good" you dont try to stock pile personally wealth, you do things for those around you. a surgon can still be a surgon but he wont be driving a $95.000 car or live in a mansion. its got nothing to do with "who is in it for the money," if communisim worked noone would be in it for the money
Since you seem to be such an expert on the matter, define communism, please 😉
Originally posted by Grimm22
Because im Captain America! 😛
What a mature and useful argument... not. So, please, answer my question.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Capitalism = USAUSA = bad
What nonsense. USA is a geographical location on the Earth, which is neither better nor worse than other geographical locations.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh, and Omega, I will reply sooner or later...I still have to read that stupid Manifesto though...in the original language...
Yeah, don't worry, Bardock. The "stupid" manifesto is just a small pamphlet. It shouldn't take too long... 😉
Oh, and btw... I am not saying that whatever Marx and/or Engels wrote is scripture to me. I'm just somewhat appalled at the misconceptions regarding Communism.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Haha, I understand you do not enjoy people calling you on the nonsense you write, but that's just actually not true. If you work hard and have good ideas you have every chance to advance your situation.
So the reason there is poverty and lower classes is merely due to laziness?
Originally posted by The Omega
So the reason there is poverty and lower classes is merely due to laziness?
No, not at all....lack of ability is a much bigger issue. And the matter of fact is that it is harder for people of the "lower class"...they do have less chances. That's why a little bit of social welfare certainly has to be considered,
Originally posted by The Omega
Since there has never been working Communism or Socialism in the world, (the USSR was based on state-controlled capitalism), how do you know this?
Thats what I think. We don´t know how true communism, or socialism will work. What we have today are dictatorships using the name of communism and socialism, but these forms of government are not supposed to work like dictatorships.
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Corruption is directly associated with centralization of power, thats where we must work on. Socialism try to work on that, capitalism do the opposite, it exists to centralize power.
Centralized types of government are usually the most corrupt, thats why there where a lot of corruption in the monarchies, and empires of the ancient times. A way to solve that problem to create a more fair government was the division into three administrative powers(legislative, judiciary, and executive), instead of having just one faction with all the power. It was a decentralization of the power that led us to a more fair form of government like the democracy we have today.
Capitalism works centralizing power in the hands of a few people. In other words, capitalism makes things run towards a dictatorship with these few people left with power being the dictators.