Originally posted by TheKahnAs I said there are other times 😈 and nice little goodies.
Or one could say that there is a limit to how much power Cain can get from Cyttorak, it's just Cain usually operates no where near that level. And it is only when he is "called" by Cyttorak that he can even access it....
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
without super speed superman gets stomped unfortunetly for him juggernaut is just as invulnerable without the forcefield and superman's invulnerability ends at doomsdays spikey bones and superman can feel pain juggernaut can't soJuggernaut wins
Originally posted by TheKahn
Don't get me wrong, I agree that the potential for Juggernaut to have unlimited strength is certainly present in the character if the writer ever wish to establish it. It's just that going from being able to hold his own against cl 100 characters to having strength that is unlimited just seems to be a big jump. That would mean that he should be able to take out just about every character in Marvel with a single punch and be able to push around continents and even planets with ease. And, imo, he just hasn't shown anywhere near that level of strength. When coupled with some of his lower showings, ie being trapped under a mountain for years, the case for him having unlimited strength seems suspect.
Originally posted by newjak86
It has to do with his fight against thor in it he talks about being called and nothing is going to stop him from getting to it nothing and thor was trying to and cain basically crushed him beause he wasn't playing around he just wanted to get somewhere and was so focused on it even the God of Thunder who was trying to end the match as fast as he could was throwing everything he had because he needed to help Odin was beaten down like a mere child.
There are others but I don't want to give them up just yet before Khan and I have our match. I'm have some really nice goodies for our match. 😈
Originally posted by TheKahn
That's a good feat for Juggy, but the only problem is that
1. Superman has thrown a mile long ship into orbit which is slightly heavier than a 100g gem.
and
2. Juggernaut is mystically empowered to be invulnerable and unstoppable once he has some momentum, so it isn't a measure of strength when he is able to resist a force but merely a function of his power set. That being said, has it ever been shown that Thor has hit Juggy while swinging Mjolnir at lightspeed? 😕And on a related note, you do have to be slightly wary when you mathematically extrapolate such feats as the same usually hasn't been done by the writers themselves. Much like Thor lifting the Midgard Serpent (who supposedly weighed the same as the earth) or Superman being able to hold a black hole in his hand, there just isn't any evidence to show that the writers realized exactly how much strength it would actually require for Juggy to throw his gem into orbit as he really hasn't been portrayed as class 114,000,000,000,000. 😬 Honestly, if the writers wanted Juggernaut to have unlimited strength they would have mentioned it in the comics by now.
the comic does mention that he is "unstoppable", "invulnerable", and "invincible" and also that "once he starts moving in a certain direction, no force can stop him"...
need i quote anything else the comic says?
what everyone needs to realise is that superman and doomsday killed each other in physical battle. that very notion indicates that none of them match the level of endurance and durability possessed by the juggernaut.
fact is, superman isn't capable of hurting cain physically, whereas cain has more than enough power to kill supes...