Superman vs Juggernaut (no superspeed, no forcefield)

Originally posted by newjak86

The only reason I can think of as to why they haven't simply flat out stated him to be unlimited was because Marvel didn't want to give him the title and weaken Hulk's claim to be the strongest person ever.

That's one hell of a reason. Isn't that like Marvel saying Juggernaut isn't the strongest because he simply isn't?

These characters are all fictitious, and they rely on what has been established by the hightest possible organ. I'm not trying to blow Hulk's horn(eventhough I am 😉 ), but there are certain basic rules that never change unless Marvel says so. One of them being "Hulk is strongest one there is" rule. Another one is the "Spiderman is not usually the strongest and fastest hero in the verse", because it messes with character inherency.

Hulk the strongest there is, is a rule?

There are some folks that didnt got the memo.

Hulk strongest one there is = BULLSH!T!!!!!!

Until you prove it wrong then It isn't though

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If he has infinite strength though he should be able to flick the likes of Thor on the forehead with his pinky and KO them... 😕

Hulk the strongest there is, is a rule?

There are some folks that didnt got the memo.

Hulk can amp himself up. What does Juggernaut do to do the same?

Originally posted by olympian
Hulk the strongest there is, is a rule?

There are some folks that didnt got the memo.

And some did. Oh noes.

Originally posted by newjak86
Very well put and I think he has been around enough and fought enough high class people to believe he has unlimited strength as he never seemed to have trouble with any weight he tried to move or to match strength with these people.

The only reason I can think of as to why they haven't simply flat out stated him to be unlimited was because Marvel didn't want to give him the title and weaken Hulk's claim to be the strongest person ever.

Although I'm not stating he does in fact have it but there does exist some evidence for it as stated before about the editor and unlimited pushing power and as I said it isn't concrete but it is there.

The only other problem with trying to say he has a definitve set level is that back in the Classic days he didn't have very many appreances so when he stepped up he really has shown many different aspects of himself and he seemed to show something new everytime. Only when he was starting to get depowered was when he started to get alot of showing time in comics.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the potential for Juggernaut to have unlimited strength is certainly present in the character if the writer ever wish to establish it. It's just that going from being able to hold his own against cl 100 characters to having strength that is unlimited just seems to be a big jump. That would mean that he should be able to take out just about every character in Marvel with a single punch and be able to push around continents and even planets with ease. And, imo, he just hasn't shown anywhere near that level of strength. When coupled with some of his lower showings, ie being trapped under a mountain for years, the case for him having unlimited strength seems suspect.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hulk can amp himself up. What does Juggernaut do to do the same?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Don't get me wrong, I agree that the potential for Juggernaut to have unlimited strength is certainly present in the character if the writer ever wish to establish it. It's just that going from being able to hold his own against cl 100 characters to having strength that is unlimited just seems to be a big jump. That would mean that he should be able to take out just about every character in Marvel with a single punch and be able to push around continents and even planets with ease. And, imo, he just hasn't shown anywhere near that level of strength. When coupled with some of his lower showings, ie being trapped under a mountain for years, the case for him having unlimited strength seems suspect.

Originally posted by newjak86
He can call on more power from Cyttorak.

Originally posted by newjak86
He can call on more power from Cyttorak.

Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying it has been shown on panel that Juggernaut can call upon more power from Cyttorak for the expressed purpose of increasing his strength to an "unlimited" level, comparable to the Hulk's rage-strength dynamic? 😕

Originally posted by newjak86
Yeah and I need to clarify this a little more I do believe he has the potebial for it like you said but also as you say until they slap the title on him then he doesn't have it but he is still very strong.

Speaking of which, do you think they are ever going to re-power Juggy?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying it has been shown on panel that Juggernaut can call upon more power from Cyttorak for the expressed purpose of increasing his strength to an "unlimited" level, comparable to the Hulk's rage-strength dynamic? 😕

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
without super speed superman gets stomped unfortunetly for him juggernaut is just as invulnerable without the forcefield and superman's invulnerability ends at doomsdays spikey bones and superman can feel pain juggernaut can't so

Juggernaut wins

if juggs is completely invulnerable without the forcefield and impervious to pain why does he need one.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Speaking of which, do you think they are ever going to re-power Juggy?

Originally posted by newjak86
Yes he has it has to do with his focus. The more he focuses on wanting to accomplish something the stronger and more powerful he gets. He's never used it to lift something before but he has used it to show he can call upon more power to do something he wants to do.

Isn't that what happened in the 8th day story line? Cain just became more focused and quit screwing around with his powers? Although that would be the question wasn't he at that power level more often and why he could simply call upon enough strength to ko Thor or the Hulk with one shot if he wanted to.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Isn't that what happened in the 8th day story line? Cain just became more focused and quit screwing around with his powers? Although that would be the question wasn't he at that power level more often and why he could simply call upon enough strength to ko Thor or the Hulk with one shot if he wanted to.

C.I.S

Originally posted by TheKahn
Isn't that what happened in the 8th day story line? Cain just became more focused and quit screwing around with his powers? Although that would be the question wasn't he at that power level more often and why he could simply call upon enough strength to ko Thor or the Hulk with one shot if he wanted to.

The reason though is that in those fights he is never really serious he is often making jokes and simply trying to get where he wants to go. Even in the Hulk fight he seemd more perplexed that Hulk couldn't understand he was unhurtable then actually trying to put him down hard.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
if juggs is completely invulnerable without the forcefield and impervious to pain why does he need one.

If he doesn't want to be touched, for instance, if he were fighting a powerful telepath, he would bring his shield up, just to make sure his helmet wont get removed.