Originally posted by newjak86
Thats exactly what happened in the 8th day Saga he quit playing around and decided he was going to get where he wanted and nothing was gonna stand in his way 😄The reason though is that in those fights he is never really serious he is often making jokes and simply trying to get where he wants to go. Even in the Hulk fight he seemd more perplexed that Hulk couldn't understand he was unhurtable then actually trying to put him down hard.
Well, if that is the case then I would assume that it is Cain's personality that limits the power he draws on from Cyttorak and only when those self imposed limitations are removed because of the plot then and only then does he receive the full power that Cyttorak is capable of bestowing. Now this would be different from the theory that Cain can draw on an unlimited amount of strength from Cyttorak. Instead it would say that there is only one level of strength possible and normally Cain operates well under it. Through focus he can attain that prescribed "8th day" level but not past it to true unlimited strength. Again this is just conjecture on my part and doesn't really hold any weight. 🙂
Originally posted by TheKahnAnd the opposite is true as well. Cain has shown on his own to amp his power and seemlying call on more of it his own it just seems to have to do with how bad he wants something. So in theory he can reach great level of aw power bascially trion level if he wanted to do something bad enough where that level of power was needed. But it is just a theory but well within the character to do.
Well, if that is the case then I would assume that it is Cain's personality that limits the power he draws on from Cyttorak and only when those self imposed limitations are removed because of the plot then and only then does he receive the full power that Cyttorak is capable of bestowing. Now this would be different from the theory that Cain can draw on an unlimited amount of strength from Cyttorak. Instead it would say that there is only one level of strength possible and normally Cain operates well under it. Through focus he can attain that prescribed "8th day" level but not past it to true unlimited strength. Again this is just conjecture on my part and doesn't really hold any weight. 🙂
Originally posted by DinalfosIt has to do with his fight against thor in it he talks about being called and nothing is going to stop him from getting to it nothing and thor was trying to and cain basically crushed him beause he wasn't playing around he just wanted to get somewhere and was so focused on it even the God of Thunder who was trying to end the match as fast as he could was throwing everything he had because he needed to help Odin was beaten down like a mere child.
Where in the 8th day saga does it say he can increase his strength through focus?I'm not saying it doesn't, but I'd like to konw.
Originally posted by newjak86
It has to do with his fight against thor in it he talks about being called and nothing is going to stop him from getting to it nothing and thor was trying to and cain basically crushed him beause he wasn't playing around he just wanted to get somewhere and was so focused on it even the God of Thunder who was trying to end the match as fast as he could was throwing everything he had because he needed to help Odin was beaten down like a mere child.
There are others but I don't want to give them up just yet before Khan and I have our match. I'm have some really nice goodies for our match. 😈
You have to admit though, that's mightily flimsy evidence. Even if it was true, how would you explain the fact that his recent depowering hasn't driven him to focus it all the way back up? Btw, I'm very curious about your goodies, too 😄
Originally posted by DinalfosBecause Cyttorak hasn't been allowing cain to have anymore of his power that is why he is depowered in the first place.
You have to admit though, that's mightily flimsy evidence. Even if it was true, how would you explain the fact that his recent depowering hasn't driven him to focus it all the way back up?
Originally posted by DinalfosI'm assuming that your reffering to 8th day and asking why didn't he just power him to be way to strong. It is because the enitre 8th day saga is about a wager between Cyttorak and seven other Gods about who is stronger and they were going to have a war on Earth with each of their Exemplars leading an army against each other so Cyttorak probably wasn't allowed to overtly power Juggs thats the best I can come up with.
But if he depowered him now, why couldn't he just have powered him up then?Mind you, I've only seen scans of the 8th saga.
Plus as I said there are other examples of cain doing this on his own.
Originally posted by newjak86
I'm assuming that your reffering to 8th day and asking why didn't he just power him to be way to strong. It is because the enitre 8th day saga is about a wager between Cyttorak and seven other Gods about who is stronger and they were going to have a war on Earth with each of their Exemplars leading an army against each other so Cyttorak probably wasn't allowed to overtly power Juggs thats the best I can come up with.Plus as I said there are other examples of cain doing this on his own.
Okay, but then why wouldn't he(Cyttorak) just block Juggs' acces to unlimited energy? Because, if all it takes is concentration and determination for an avatar to reach a certain level that I don't want him to reach, then I would most certainly power him down to a level where he loses that ability. Just to be sure.
Originally posted by DinalfosAre you talking about if juggs is depowered now then why s it he still has some strength???
Okay, but then why wouldn't he(Cyttorak) just block Juggs' acces to unlimited energy? Because, if all it takes is concentration and determination for an avatar to reach a certain level that I don't want him to reach, then I would most certainly power him down to a level where he loses that ability. Just to be sure.
Originally posted by newjak86
Well Cyttorak never really put a limit on Cain's access to his power it was more or less if Cain wanted it. Cyttorak is one that likes acknowledgment of his power and Jugg's beating people is one way to get it.
But powering him up "manually" is basically the same thing as allowing Juggernaut to power himself up. That means that, even if Cyttorak wasn't allowed to power him up overtly, Juggernaut draws the highest possible amount of energy from him. Theoretically. Wouldn't that pose a problem for Cyttorak?
Originally posted by ApolloknightGot to wait I mean Khan can't know about these just yet.
Khans not gonna show upGoodies. NOW 😠
But powering him up "manually" is basically the same thing as allowing Juggernaut to power himself up. That means that, even if Cyttorak wasn't allowed to power him up overtly, Juggernaut draws the highest possible amount of energy from him. Theoretically. Wouldn't that pose a problem for Cyttorak?Ok I see what your saying now that if Cyttorak wasn't allowed to power him up manually then why wouldn't he have to cap his power. Well at teh time cain was working with the Examplers getting ready to activate the God machine which would inslave all of humanity and each one would rukle a different part of the world and war against each other so at the time there wouldn't be a reason to cap his power.
Originally posted by newjak86
It has to do with his fight against thor in it he talks about being called and nothing is going to stop him from getting to it nothing and thor was trying to and cain basically crushed him beause he wasn't playing around he just wanted to get somewhere and was so focused on it even the God of Thunder who was trying to end the match as fast as he could was throwing everything he had because he needed to help Odin was beaten down like a mere child.
There are others but I don't want to give them up just yet before Khan and I have our match. I'm have some really nice goodies for our match. 😈
Too bad Juggernaut's 8th day power level was banned...whistling
Besides there is a would of ambiguity about the nature of Cyttorak's "call" to Juggernaut 😖hifty: 😉
Originally posted by newjak86
Well Cyttorak never really put a limit on Cain's access to his power it was more or less if Cain wanted it. Cyttorak is one that likes acknowledgment of his power and Jugg's beating people is one way to get it.
Or one could say that there is a limit to how much power Cain can get from Cyttorak, it's just Cain usually operates no where near that level. And it is only when he is "called" by Cyttorak that he can even access it....