Originally posted by batdude123
No, it's really not common knowledge that he has T-Vo. He rarely uses it, it's one of his more exotic powers.
Well then define common knowledge, alot of people don't understand that Juggernaut cant be hurt physically no matter what, Superman might just try the "old fashioned way" and get killed.........again.
Originally posted by bigbran
he does have knowledge of him, and if hee rarely uses t-vo, why would he use it in this fight.
*sigh* Because he is polling all of his might (save superspeed), and using whatever means necesarry in order to get the job done. Superman is fighting to the best of his ability. 😉 Btw, the other people get BASIC knowledge, it's not like "here's a list of the other person's powers, now go get 'em!!!"
Originally posted by batdude123Actually in a fight with thor cain once tried to pick up Thor's Hammer and even though he couldn't he was vexed because he said so himself he was AT LEAST as strong as Thor 😉 meaning he actually thought he was probably stronger but at the least was equal and Superman isn't leaps and bound above Thor.
Unless Juggernaut actually is running for him in which case Superman probably couldn't stop him, then he's not going to "overpower" Superman. Juggernaut's strength level isn't what Superman's is, his durability is off the charts though, and he is unstoppable when gaining forward momentum. It's not that big of a stretch to consider the fact that Superman can get Juggernaut's helmet off. He still does have the advantage of flight. Besides, "no superspeed" is kind of a loose term to use. Under the speed of an airplane??? Under the speed of sound??? When was the last time a PERSON could fly at superHUMAN speeds??? 😗 However, once he has his helmet off of him, it's T-Vo time. Ask Dominus what he thought of T-Vo, he didn't seem to like it too much.
Plus everytime thor seems to go H2H with Juggs he can't beat him and is often thrown around Supes would pretty much be the same. And by no Spuerspeed it probably means that he would have the normal human speed of someone pretty athletic which would actually put him below Thor in Speed. Supes has flight but to beat him he has to get close still and Juggs would tear him a new one if he did. Not saying Supes can't win but the fact is Supes has to remove a helmet then use T-Vo and all Juggs has to do is get a hand on him.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Well then define common knowledge, alot of people don't understand that Juggernaut cant be hurt physically no matter what, Superman might just try the "old fashioned way" and get killed.........again.
From forum rules:
Basic knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.
Originally posted by newjak86
Actually in a fight with thor cain once tried to pick up Thor's Hammer and even though he couldn't he was vexed because he said so himself he was AT LEAST as strong as Thor 😉 meaning he actually thought he was probably stronger but at the least was equal and Superman isn't leaps and bound above Thor.Plus everytime thor seems to go H2H with Juggs he can't beat him and is often thrown around Supes would pretty much be the same. And by no Spuerspeed it probably means that he would have the normal human speed of someone pretty athletic which would actually put him below Thor in Speed. Supes has flight but to beat him he has to get close still and Juggs would tear him a new one if he did. Not saying Supes can't win but the fact is Supes has to remove a helmet then use T-Vo and all Juggs has to do is get a hand on him.
Good post, I'm not arguing here. However, I think Superman can possibly remove his helmet 6/10. The other four times he would get caught by Jugg head.
Btw, Superman isn't LEAPS AND BOUNDS above Thor in terms of strength, but he is above him. 😗
Originally posted by batdude123I'm thinking it will be harder for Supes to get Jugg's helmet off then it will be for Juggs to get a hold of him. Because to yank the helmet off he is going to have to grab it and yank all Juggs has to do is grab.
Good post, I'm not arguing here. However, I think Superman can possibly remove his helmet 6/10. The other four times he would get caught by Jugg head.Btw, Superman isn't LEAPS AND BOUNDS above Thor in terms of strength, but he is above him. 😗
And beileve it or not there are feats that put him in Supes level of strength and possibly equal. Like removing the midgard Serpent from Earth.
Originally posted by newjak86
I'm thinking it will be harder for Supes to get Jugg's helmet off then it will be for Juggs to get a hold of him. Because to yank the helmet off he is going to have to grab it and yank all Juggs has to do is grab.And beileve it or not there are feats that put him in Supes level of strength and possibly equal. Like removing the midgard Serpent from Earth.
And Juggernaut grabbed a Thor would didnt have enough strength to escape his grip.
That speaks of Juggernauts Strength right There. 😉
Originally posted by newjak86
I'm thinking it will be harder for Supes to get Jugg's helmet off then it will be for Juggs to get a hold of him. Because to yank the helmet off he is going to have to grab it and yank all Juggs has to do is grab.And beileve it or not there are feats that put him in Supes level of strength and possibly equal. Like removing the midgard Serpent from Earth.
Possibly, but I figure, if Wolverine can actually remove the helmet, than Superman can too with the littlest of efforts. 😬 Superman could freeze parts of Juggernaut, and that would at least hold him for the duration it takes for him to remove the helmet. However, does Superman still have the intangibility trick (probably not considering his speed is gone)?
I would reply with another Superman feat, however I really REALLY don't want to turn this into another Superman vs. Thor thread.
Originally posted by batdude123That isn't the question the question is will Juggs let him remove the helmet even with flight advantage. I think he will have a harder time then Wolverine because Juggs won't be distracted by other people so his full attention will be on Supes.
Possibly, but I figure, if Wolverine can actually remove the helmet, than Superman can too with the littlest of efforts. 😬 Superman could freeze parts of Juggernaut, and that would at least hold him for the duration it takes for him to remove the helmet. However, does Superman still have the intangibility trick (probably not considering his speed is gone)?I would reply with another Superman feat, however I really REALLY don't want to turn this into another Superman vs. Thor thread.
Supeman is possibly stronger then Thor but not by much. Let's just say if they got into an arm wrestling match it would take along time for supes to put Thor down a long time.
Originally posted by newjak86
That isn't the question the question is will Juggs let him remove the helmet even with flight advantage. I think he will have a harder time then Wolverine because Juggs won't be distracted by other people so his full attention will be on Supes.Supeman is possibly stronger then Thor but not by much. Let's just say if they got into an arm wrestling match it would take along time for supes to put Thor down a long time.
However, Superman could still keep him in place with his ice breath. That would keep him in check for AT THE MOST a few seconds. That's really all Superman would need to pull the helmet off.
I have no qualms about that. 👆 It would take Superman quite awhile to put Thor down in an arm wrestling contest.
Originally posted by batdude123Iceman has tried similar things but to no effect Juggs truely is a physical beast with few people who can even hope to go toe to toe with him. And seconds is longer than you think when Supes is now at peak human speed.
However, Superman could still keep him in place with his ice breath. That would keep him in check for AT THE MOST a few seconds. That's really all Superman would need to pull the helmet off.I have no qualms about that. 👆 It would take Superman quite awhile to put Thor down in an arm wrestling contest.
And to end the Thor thing everyone pretty much agrees that eitehr he is Supes equal or a little below that being said though Juggs is stronger than thor and probably alot more then Supes.
Edit: Just reread my statement I'm not saying Juggs is alot stronger than Supes I'm saying he seems to be stronger than Thor than what supes would be to Thor.
Originally posted by newjak86
Iceman has tried similar things but to no effect Juggs truely is a physical beast with few people who can even hope to go toe to toe with him. And seconds is longer than you think when Supes is now at peak human speed.And to end the Thor thing everyone pretty much agrees that eitehr he is Supes equal or a little below that being said though Juggs is stronger than thor and probably alot more then Supes.
Yes. He has contained WW in his ice breath for a bit, he could hope to contain Juggs like I said AT THE MOST a few seconds. Yeah, a few seconds is enough considering Wolvie did it.
Debatable. In terms of pure strength, Superman is top of the class, no question about that one. Strength: Superman=Juggernaut(maybe SLIGHTLY in Superman's favor)>Thor; Durability: Juggernaut>Superman>Thor
Originally posted by batdude123But WW is no Juggs and probably isn't comparable seeing as Jugg's being would suffer no ill effects from the Ice Breath like WW would. As soon as Supes stops blowing Juggs would bust out then, if the ice breath stopped him at all.
Yes. He has contained WW in his ice breath for a bit, he could hope to contain Juggs like I said AT THE MOST a few seconds. Yeah, a few seconds is enough considering Wolvie did it.Debatable. In terms of pure strength, Superman is top of the class, no question about that one. Strength: Superman=Juggernaut(maybe SLIGHTLY in Superman's favor)>Thor; Durability: Juggernaut>Superman>Thor
I think your strength analogy is correct.
Originally posted by newjak86
But WW is no Juggs and probably isn't comparable seeing as Jugg's being would suffer no ill effects from the Ice Breath like WW would. As soon as Supes stops blowing Juggs would bust out then, if the ice breath stopped him at all.I think your strength analogy is correct.
Possibly, but can you at least buy that it would pose as a distraction?
Thanks. 👆
Originally posted by batdude123Possibly but without Superspeed to take advantage of it I don't see what the point would be we haven't even gotten into the idea if Juggs has forward momentum Supes is pretty much toast either way.
Possibly, but can you at least buy that it would pose as a distraction?Thanks. 👆
Originally posted by newjak86
Possibly but without Superspeed to take advantage of it I don't see what the point would be we haven't even gotten into the idea if Juggs has forward momentum Supes is pretty much toast either way.
Forward momentum, yes. However, that really is nulled by the fact that Superman has the advantage of flight. Btw, is his flight speed limited to around something like 30mph? Besides, he could distract him with a barrage of heat vision and ice breath. Not saying it would hurt him, just be a distraction while he takes off his helmet. Btw, who's to say that Superman used a full ice blow on WW?? ( 😛 ) He can freeze entire oceans with his ice breath.
Originally posted by batdude123I don't see where the area of effect would change it could be as cols as Supes would want it won't effect Juggs 😮
Forward momentum, yes. However, that really is nulled by the fact that Superman has the advantage of flight. Btw, is his flight speed limited to around something like 30mph? Besides, he could distract him with a barrage of heat vision and ice breath. Not saying it would hurt him, just be a distraction while he takes off his helmet. Btw, who's to say that Superman used a full ice blow on WW?? ( 😛 ) He can freeze entire oceans with his ice breath.
Flight is an advantage so long as flight mixed with something can put the oppenent down, point is no matter what Supes has to get close to fight Juggs if he wants to beat him. And he has to remove his helmet so instead of trying to come up with a million different scenarios of supes doing the same thing for a win let us realize that all Juggs has to do for a win is get a hold of Supes and beat the snot out of him. Yes Supes can win but it will take a lot of what if compared to Juggs getting his hands on him and in this match so bad for Supes in order to win he has to take Cain on at what he does best.
Originally posted by batdude123superman cant freeze like ice man. 🙁
However, Superman could still keep him in place with his ice breath. That would keep him in check for AT THE MOST a few seconds. That's really all Superman would need to pull the helmet off.I have no qualms about that. 👆 It would take Superman quite awhile to put Thor down in an arm wrestling contest.