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I love you JesusIsAlive <---- see I did a fruit.....A fruit loop...(Oops sorry)
The prophets WERE NOT and COULD NOT be a type of sorcerer because God forbids and condemns sorcery and divination. Debbiejo, on most if not all occasions whenever a prophet got ready to deliver the prophesy, they would start out in a similar way, "Thus says the Lord." They spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. This is not the case for diviners and other occult practioners. For they speak by evil spirits.People do miracles all the time in other cultures without saying "Thus says the Lord"
Originally posted by Nellinator
And therefore their miracles are not from God. Simple answer.
So are you saying:
A: Yes, they may have performed miracles, but as they are not of God the miracles are less valid;
B: Yes, they may have performed miracles, but while not of God they are just as valid if not more so;
C: Yes, they may have performed miracles but miracles don't necessarily have anything to do with God/gods
D: They didn't actually perform miracles at all (Christian or non-Christian) but people just think they did.
E: All the above.
A.
They perform their miracles by false spirits (ie. their own human spirit or the spirit of demons/Satan). These miracles, even if they seem to cause good things are less valid because they are done to confuse and deceive people into non-belief. It is important to know that Satan prefers for people to not believe in him at all or to believe that he is not the Father of Lies that he is.
Originally posted by Alliance
Yes...its all a giant game. There are onyly two things in the world. ONE GREAT GOD and everything else is a decpetion to get you to "stray from the path." Dinosaur bones were placed here to test your faith. Please.And who are you to claim "false" spirits.
Dinosaurs were very real. Tell me where the Bible says otherwise. I believe science to true. It is the interpretation of facts that I sometimes disagree with. You use ridiculous examples and apply them to all Christians. This shows YOUR ignorance of fact and logic. This is the irrational and hateful thinking based on nothing other than your frustrations and uncertainties.
I can claim false spirits because any Spirit from God is good and "any spirit that does not admit that Christ was come in the flesh is not from God." You should have seen this verse many times before in this forum. This is Christian teaching and I therefore hold it as true. This is how I can claim false spirits.
Excuse me...I never mentioned anythign about CHirstians. DOn't extrapolate my statements out of reason.
The bible says nothing about dinosaurs. SCIENCE clearly states that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. THe bible does not.
Your "claim" about spirits is illogical and apritrary. Do you hear spirits speak to you often?
All you can do is simply attack me as frustarted and uncertain. Let me tell you kid....straight up. You, imo, live in a world of ignorance. Things in real life are shades of grey. There are areas that a re blurry, that you cant quite see or understand. This is perfectly acceptable.
What is unnaceptable is that peopel use religion as a catch al super-high contrast flashlight. It magically makes everyhign understandable and puts everyhting in really simple black and white terms so you can easily make ignorant decisions without truely undersatnding the situation. Religon glosses over reality and pretends to fix the problem, by filling in dark areas of logic with weak irrational claims.
All thsi just to make you feel better and secure in your system of clearly defined control. You are no superior being religous to anyone else. You take the easy way out. So dont sit there adn tell me that I'm "frustrated and uncertain" because I don't belive in your god. I deal with reality.
You strongly implied Christians when you said 'One Great God' and 'test my faith'. You may not have said, but I know it was what you meant. Playing semantics is petty.
You see grey because you mix the worlds of white (good/God) and black (evil/Satan).
God is reality. He created it. God effects realilty through miracles and changing people's lives.
You remain on these forums defending what you consistently claim does not need to be defended. Why, might I ask, do you do this? I believe that Christians and other faiths frustrate you. And you feel that you must attack them because they do not agree with what you perceive to be right. If you were so certain of your claims you would not feel the need to bash religions because science and logic would prove them false. I also know that you have uncertainties (no matter how small they be) because you are a human (I pretty convinced anyways) and all humans doubt everything. It is called skepticism and you have it in as abundant amounts as anyone else I have ever met.
Originally posted by NellinatorThen demons must be good cause they are exhibiting a fruit of the spirit : compassion....
A.
They perform their miracles by false spirits (ie. their own human spirit or the spirit of demons/Satan). These miracles, even if they seem to cause good things are less valid because they are done to confuse and deceive people into non-belief. It is important to know that Satan prefers for people to not believe in him at all or to believe that he is not the Father of Lies that he is.
BTW digging up for a road in the Detroit Metro area was discovered a Mammoth skeleton just of late....
Originally posted by Nellinator
I can claim false spirits because any Spirit from God is good and "any spirit that does not admit that Christ was come in the flesh is not from God." You should have seen this verse many times before in this forum. This is Christian teaching and I therefore hold it as true. This is how I can claim false spirits.
Even for all the miracles people claimed were performed before the coming of Jesus? By all accounts there was no way the miracles workers at that point could claim Jesus, as nobody knew about Jesus until Jesus arrived (if he ever did.)
Miracles claimed to have been performed by, or through people, the gods of the old religions. If I remember rightly it was something the Disciples and Jesus apparently ran into when they first started doing their "miracles" - that people wanted to worship them as Zeus or a prophet of Zeus. If one is to believe in God, where do the old gods stand? Are they simply "evil spirits"?
Then demons must be good cause they are exhibiting a fruit of the spirit : compassion....
Indeed. If I is to believe in miracles divine/supernatural in nature it seems a bit hard to condemn a big portion of them as invalid - "yes, they might very well have done good, but that doesn't matter as they are actually only intended to mislead."
Originally posted by debbiejo
Then demons must be good cause they are exhibiting a fruit of the spirit : compassion....BTW digging up for a road in the Detroit Metro area was discovered a Mammoth skeleton just of late....
Demons ARE NOT good if they were then the Lord Jesus would not have had to CAST them out of people. You see, demons are subservient to satan, who is the oppresser. Therefore, demons are also agents as it were of oppression because they do the devil's bidding.
demons
Types/Names Of demons—
• evil spirits—Luke 7:21, 8:2, 19:12-13
• unclean spirits—Matthew 10:1; Mark 1:27, 3:11, 6:7; Luke 4:36, 6:18; Acts 5:16, 8:7; Revelation 16:13
• wicked spirits—Matthew 12:45; Luke 11:26
1. demons Are Angels who Rebelled Against God—Matthew 25:41; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6; Revelation 12:4, 7-9
2. demons Are Subject To And At The Mercy Of The Name Of Jesus And The Word Of God—Matthew 4:23-25, 8:16, 28-34, 12:22, 17:14-21; Mark 1:21-39, 3:10-15, 5:1-20, 6:7-13, 7:24-30, 9:14-29, 16:17; Luke 4:31-44, 8:26-39, 9:1, 37-43, 10:17-20; 11:20-26; Acts 5:16
3. demons Know That There Is One God And Tremble—James 2:19
4. demons Are agents Of Sickness And Disease—Luke 13:11-13, 16; Acts 10:38
5. Some demonic angels are incarcerated--2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6
6. Demons know who Jesus is, they know Jesus is the Son of God--Matthew 8:29; Mark 1:24; Luke 4:34; (John 6:69); Acts 19:15
7. There is a time when all demons are going to be tormented--Matthew 8:29, 25:41; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6
8. Demons are organized in ranks--Ephesians 6:12
9. Demonic angels are assigned to geographical areas (continents, countries, states, and/or cities)--Daniel 10:13, 20
10. Demons are defeated--Luke 10:17-20; Colossians 2:15
Luke 8:26-39
26 Then they sailed to the country of the Gadarenes, which is opposite Galilee. 27 And when He stepped out on the land, there met Him a certain man from the city who had demons for a long time. And he wore no clothes, nor did he live in a house but in the tombs. 28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, fell down before Him, and with a loud voice said, “What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me!” 29 [B]For He [Jesus] had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For it had often seized him, and he was kept under guard, bound with chains and shackles; and he broke the bonds and was driven by the demon into the wilderness. 30 Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?”
And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him. 31 And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss.
32 Now a herd of many swine was feeding there on the mountain. So they begged Him that He would permit them to enter them. And He permitted them. 33 Then the demons went out of the man and entered the swine, and the herd ran violently down the steep place into the lake and drowned.
34 When those who fed them saw what had happened, they fled and told it in the city and in the country. 35 Then they went out to see what had happened, and came to Jesus, and found the man from whom the demons had departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed and in his right mind. And they were afraid. 36 They also who had seen it told them by what means he who had been demon-possessed was healed. [/B] 37 Then the whole multitude of the surrounding region of the Gadarenes asked Him to depart from them, for they were seized with great fear. And He got into the boat and returned.
38 Now the man from whom the demons had departed begged Him that he might be with Him. But Jesus sent him away, saying, 39 “Return to your own house, and tell what great things God has done for you.” And he went his way and proclaimed throughout the whole city what great things Jesus had done for him.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Demons ARE NOT good if they were then the Lord Jesus would not have had to CAST them out of people. You see, demons are subservient to satan, who is the oppresser. Therefore, demons are also agents as it were of oppression because they do the devil's bidding.
Debbiejo was referring to someone else post where they mentioned that while other people may indeed perform miracles, those miracles are less valid as they would be the works of evil spirits, not God.
However, if we are to believe in miracles a good many of the miracles attributed to religions of a non-Christian nature are good things - of benefit to the person/people experiencing the miracle. Now then that would, on the surface at least, indicate that the source of the miracles understood compassion, as Debbiejo stated.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Demons ARE NOT good if they were then the Lord Jesus would not have had to CAST them out of people. You see, demons are subservient to satan, who is the oppresser. Therefore, demons are also agents as it were of oppression because they do the devil's bidding.
Yes, and according to you I happen to be a Demon, or as you put it so bluntly "a child of Satan"
You're a dumbass who needs to stop talking. ✅