Silver Surfer vs Doomsday

Originally posted by Wynndar
based on what? I hope ur not trying to refer to actual physics...matter cannot go faster than light in the real world. Its mathematically impossible by our formulas. Its also impossible in theory...If one travels faster than light, they could go to the sun and back before they ever left...get it? Even in nature, there r presently phenomena refered to as BLAZERS that are huge planet sized balls of plasma travelling at 99.9% the speed of light. They are suspected to originate in some kind of galactic process. Black holes don't always suck things up, many things are ejected in high speed jets along the galaxy's axis of rotation. It takes in unimaginable amount of energy to sustain an object at speeds near that of light. To propell an object with the mass of a bowling ball at 99.9% the speed of light for a moment would take the equivalent energy produced on the earth in one whole week.

I wouldnt take comic book writers seriously about they depiction of Physics.

Why should speed have anything to do with it. If someone is able to propel themselves with sufficient force to escape its gravity, it doesnt matter if they're going 2 mph they would still escape it.

Originally posted by Wynndar
based on what? I hope ur not trying to refer to actual physics...matter cannot go faster than light in the real world. Its mathematically impossible by our formulas. Its also impossible in theory...If one travels faster than light, they could go to the sun and back before they ever left...get it? Even in nature, there r presently phenomena refered to as BLAZERS that are huge planet sized balls of plasma travelling at 99.9% the speed of light. They are suspected to originate in some kind of galactic process. Black holes don't always suck things up, many things are ejected in high speed jets along the galaxy's axis of rotation. It takes in unimaginable amount of energy to sustain an object at speeds near that of light. To propell an object with the mass of a bowling ball at 99.9% the speed of light for a moment would take the equivalent energy produced on the earth in one whole week.

I wouldnt take comic book writers seriously about they depiction of Physics.

I'm not referring to anything. I'm just telling you what the guy said.

we're coo...i wasnt explicitely saying it to u.

Returning to the topic of this thread...

As far as I know, Doomsday's ability to "evolve" is not based on magic but on physics (comic-level, 'natch). Which means that on some level this cornerstone of DD's power can be neutralized via physical forces, and if his very power to evolve is neutralized, then he can no longer "come back." He is beaten, once and for all.

Given Surfer's versatility, he should be able to attack this cornerstone (so should a few other characters, for that matter, eg, Thor).

Analogy: you keep wanting to destroy the Evil Light Bulb by breaking it, but hell, a force external to the Bulb (a person) keeps replacing the Bulb with a light that has stronger, more durable glass.

Key to success: kill the Bulb-changer.

Of course, again, if DC's intention is to make Doomsday--by definition--unbeatable, then this whole point--indeed, verily this thread--is worth naught.

Sounds v likely to me. 🙂

Originally posted by Mindship
Returning to the topic of this thread...

As far as I know, Doomsday's ability to "evolve" is not based on magic but on physics (comic-level, 'natch). Which means that on some level this cornerstone of DD's power can be neutralized via physical forces, and if his very power to evolve is neutralized, then he can no longer "come back." He is beaten, once and for all.

Given Surfer's versatility, he should be able to attack this cornerstone (so should a few other characters, for that matter, eg, Thor).

Analogy: you keep wanting to destroy the Evil Light Bulb by breaking it, but hell, a force external to the Bulb (a person) keeps replacing the Bulb with a light that has stronger, more durable glass.

Key to success: kill the Bulb-changer.

Of course, again, if DC's intention is to make Doomsday--by definition--unbeatable, then this whole point--indeed, verily this thread--is worth naught.

That's a great and unique twist. Problem is trying to use cosmic energy at herald level would just cause SS feedback and hurt SS. Energy attacks below Imperiex/Galactus level don't even begin to faze this guy.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That's a great and unique twist. Problem is trying to use cosmic energy at herald level would just cause SS feedback and hurt SS. Energy attacks below Imperiex/Galactus level don't even begin to faze this guy.

SS would cosmic blast DD's ass to death, or destroy him using Molecular annihilation.

DD won’t be able to touch SS with his speed.

Originally posted by kgkg
ya can you prove this?

SS would cosmic blast DD's ass to death, or destroy him using Molecular annihilation.

DD won’t be able to touch SS with his speed.

Can you prove SS could do something to DD?
Have you seen DD brought down by Energy blasts outside of imperiex?

IMO, the above responses miss the point. To say that "energy attacks below Galactus/Imperiex level" won't work imply that attacks against Doomsday have to be "bigger" than what the Surfer can deliver. But "bigger" isn't always better, especially if one is still attacking the "end result" of DD's evolving power, rather than the power itself.

I might even agree that there could be "feedback" against a molecular attack, because That is still attacking DD's Existence, not his Essence, so to speak.

Again, this all hinges on how one "defines" Doomsday, but that aside, the Surfer has to attack "better/smarter/more sophisticated" which means using laws of physics we literally have no idea of, and so are unable to comment on. It's like the catch-22 in writing a story about a character who is more intelligent than the writer: how would the writer really show that? Yes, you can say "So-n-so invented this Thiggamibob and saved the day," implying greater intelligence, but--by definition--a writer can't demonstrate the actual reasoning process of a more intelligent individual.

If nothing else, DD's power raises interesting philosophical issues, like the Immovable Object meeting Irrisistible Force.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Can you prove SS could do something to DD?
Have you seen DD brought down by Energy blasts outside of imperiex?

Turn his body and trap his ass.

SS going all out using his speed, DD won't lay a finger.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Surfer could time travel back in time and wipe him from existence just like he did Overlord. DD will probably not catch Surfer. Since forum rules state that both characters are bloodlusted and out for a kill, Surfer will not be a pacifist and hold back as he normally would. Normal Surfer might get his ass handed to him. Actually it's a pretty good possibility. But, if Surfer is pissed, he'd probably take it more times than not.

He'd use his speed to it's fullest, while building his strength via power cosmic. He could also use his cosmic awareness, something blue boy doesn't have, and possibly find a weakness or some type of energy signature DD is vulnerable to.

Surfer wins. Surfer has strength(via power cosmic), speed(FTL Tavel and reaction times), planet leveling blasts, cosmic awareness, and time traveling abilities. What does DD have going for him? DD has strength and durability. That's it. Oh wait, fire breath huh? Surfer occasionally flies through and absorbs suns, so fire breath probably wouldn't work on him. Surfer wins. Surfer's experience with dealing with DD type beings 'coughMorg With The Waters Of Lifecough' and Overlord.

Originally posted by Mindship
DD may at some point become "un-destroyable," but he can never become "un-get-rid-of-able," mainly cuz he can't fly and doesn't control/project energy of any type, while Surfer can. It wouldn't be easy, but SS wins (most of the time, anyway).

i'd like to see how silver surfer would fair against the justice league.. 🙄

Originally posted by kgkg
Destroy every molecule in his body.

Turn his body and trap his ass.

SS going all out using his speed, DD won't lay a finger.

Right....thats why Thanos tore his ass up.

Originally posted by jinzin
i'd like to see how silver surfer would fair against the justice league.. 🙄

Why are you trying to start trouble jinzin? 🙁

what are you tring to say, jin . . .? 😄

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Right....thats why Thanos tore his ass up.

Quasar, SS , Marvel etc

Thanos has dealt with his share of those guys.

Thanos body has been atomic destroyed and heal.

DD can't stop anything at molecular level ---- Thanos can

Originally posted by kgkg
Thanos can counter.

Quasar, SS , Marvel etc

Thanos has dealt with his share of those guys.

Thanos body has been atomic destroyed and heal.

DD can't stop anything at molecular level ---- Thanos can

Means nothing. You claim Surfer can do all of the above while fighting much faster than light as well as go back in time in a battle to defeat his enemy...yet he is defeated by punches.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Means nothing. You claim Surfer can do all of the above while fighting much faster than light as well as go back in time in a battle to defeat his enemy...yet he is defeated by punches.

if you got at claim that DD won't be effect then show some?

DD is just hulk , and hulk could hurt SS with Physical power

Originally posted by kgkg
energy punches by thanos not just any

if you got at claim that DD won't be effect then show some?

DD is just hulk , and hulk could hurt SS with Physical power

Energy punches...but you claim SS can absorb all energy, so why didnt he absorb at light speed, or go back in time and beat him? Why didn't he blow up the planet? Dodge him at 300x the speed of light? Turn the air around him into adamantium? etc etc?

Also, last I remember, DD and Hulk are 2 totally separate characters. Very bad analogy. Their only similarity is that they are big, strong beasts.