Originally posted by King_MungiLosing a sacred challenge on purpose isnt honorable my friend. It is something a villain would do and its what Darkseid did. 😉
It still was a challenge DS was going to lose on purpose so he could as he said give him Apokolips, so in turn he could stain his soul.Orion knows DS doesn't want to kill him, he has even said that to his son several times and DS himself has spared his son even bringing him back from the dead 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was still dishonest about it all. 😬He cheated. It is that simple.
You cheat to win, Darkseid didn't even want to win. So I'm not seeing how it's the same thing 😬
It's dishonest, but cheating? Not really. However, he in the end saved the universe by doing so how dishonest was it really?
Originally posted by King_MungiAgain we have been going over this time and time again. He deceived and shamed himself and the whole code of honor in the process of his treachery.
You cheat to win, Darkseid didn't even want to win. So I'm not seeing how it's the same thing 😬It's dishonest, but cheating? Not really. However, he in the end saved the universe by doing so how dishonest was it really?
When an athlete purposes loses it shames that event.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again we have been going over this time and time again. He deceived and shamed himself and the whole code of honor in the process of his treachery.When an athlete purposes loses it shames that event.
Yeah and your wrong, you said he cheated but he didn't cheat to win and he wasn't taking the fight serious as he said in his own words. As noted he WANTED to lose. So cheating? No. Dishonest? Yes. Also no one said he lost anything in the code of honor, as Orion and Kalibak have challenged him afterwards and used weapons, etc. In the end the New Gods thanked him for what he did 😬
But the athlete was trying to win so they cheated, here DS wanted to LOSE he had no intention of winning. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Originally posted by King_MungiAthletes that throw contests have dishonored the contest and that is precisely what Darkseid did here. Its my opinion that this was strictly hand to hand.
Yeah and your wrong, you said he cheated but he didn't cheat to win and he wasn't taking the fight serious as he said in his own words. As noted he WANTED to lose. So cheating? No. Dishonest? Yes. Also no one said he lost anything in the code of honor, as Orion and Kalibak have challenged him afterwards and used weapons, etc. In the end the New Gods thanked him for what he did 😬But the athlete was trying to win so they cheated, here DS wanted to LOSE he had no intention of winning. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Originally posted by King_MungiHe did so to defend himself. He would never stoop so low as to throw a challenge and dishonor himself. He never attacked Darkseid with his astro force either but again used it to defend himself. 😉
Then Orion is dishonest too as he broke the conduct and walked away from the challenge as well 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
He did so to defend himself. He would never stoop so low as to throw a challenge and dishonor himself. He never attacked Darkseid with his astro force either but again used it to defend himself. 😉
I'm talking about the other challenges, not just this. Actually Orion backed out other times as he was getting beat so being a chicken is also dishonorable, but the other characters didn't care 😬 He also wasn't suppose to even use that, and the armor he used in the fight was built by Lightray. So in the end from that encounter DS saved the universe doing what he did, no one thinks he was dishonorable...except for you 😬
Originally posted by King_MungiDarkseid has walked away from Doomsday. So maybe Orion walked away but then again so has Darkseid. Ds was dishonorable in throwing the match. No matter how you slice it its just dishonorable.
I'm talking about the other challenges, not just this. Actually Orion backed out other times as he was getting beat so being a chicken is also dishonorable, but the other characters didn't care 😬 He also wasn't suppose to even use that, and the armor he used in the fight was built by Lightray. So in the end from that encounter DS saved the universe doing what he did, no one thinks he was dishonorable...except for you 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid has walked away from Doomsday. So maybe Orion walked away but then again so has Darkseid. Ds was dishonorable in throwing the match. No matter how you slice it its just dishonorable.
Errrr...context? Darkseid walked away as the planet was about to be destroyed he wanted to fight Doomday thousands of years ago, but the planet was doomed so they were forced to leave. Not really, considering what he did was for the greater good. If you consider that dishonorable I guess all the New Gods are as they all have done such a thing one time or the other 😬
Originally posted by King_MungiWhen you lose on purpose and there is a code of honor among warriors you dishonor it. 😉
Errrr...context? Darkseid walked away as the planet was about to be destroyed he wanted to fight Doomday thousands of years ago, but the planet was doomed so they were forced to leave. Not really, considering what he did was for the greater good. If you consider that dishonorable I guess all the New Gods are as they all have done such a thing one time or the other 😬
He walked away from Doomsday and asked Steppenwulf not to tell anyone because of the shame. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
When you lose on purpose and there is a code of honor among warriors you dishonor it. 😉He walked away from Doomsday and asked Steppenwulf not to tell anyone because of the shame. 🙂
Highfather did it, Orion even did it to Darkseid way before he did it to him 😬
So did they actually fight? Nope, did they even throw a punch? No. Was the planet about to be destroyed? yes. Did Steppenwulf tell Darkseid they had to leave? Yes. So what shame did he have?
Originally posted by King_MungiWhy did Darkseid ask him to never speak of this again. Answer because there is a code amongst warriors that you never turn your back on a challenge. Why else would Darkseid say to never speak of it again if he was fine with it. Answer me that.
Highfather did it, Orion even did it to Darkseid way before he did it to him 😬So did they actually fight? Nope, did they even throw a punch? No. Was the planet about to be destroyed? yes. Did Steppenwulf tell Darkseid they had to leave? Yes. So what shame did he have?
Again when someone throws a match or a challenge and loses intentionally it shames the contest. To say that it doesnt isnt logical at all in the slightest. 😉
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why did Darkseid ask him to never speak of this again. Answer because there is a code amongst warriors that you never turn your back on a challenge. Why else would Darkseid say to never speak of it again if he was fine with it. Answer me that.Again when someone throws a match or a challenge and loses intentionally it shames the contest. To say that it doesnt isnt logical at all in the slightest. 😉
I love your logic, they didn't even fight so what code did they even break? Also what code is this anyways? As no where has this been said. I guess Highfather is very dishonorable as he has walked away from many fights..and I mean many fights 😬. Darkseid lost his friend, lost the planet and the resources he wanted, and the planet was about to be destroyed. His entire scheme was destroyed, but please endulge me why would he have shame for a fight he never even fought?
So like I said all the New Gods are dishonorable then, and lets forget how he saved the universe with his little trick or the other challenges his son narked on him 😬
Originally posted by King_MungiDarkseid violated the code imo against Orion and was cowardly and shameful against Doomsday. He didnt want anyone else to know about it because he was embarrassed by it.
I love your logic, they didn't even fight so what code did they even break? Also what code is this anyways? As no where has this been said. I guess Highfather is very dishonorable as he has walked away from many fights..and I mean many fights 😬. Darkseid lost his friend, lost the planet and the resources he wanted, and the planet was about to be destroyed. His entire scheme was destroyed, but please endulge me why would he have shame for a fight he never even fought?So like I said all the New Gods are dishonorable then, and lets forget how he saved the universe with his little trick or the other challenges his son narked on him 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid violated the code imo against Orion and was cowardly and shameful against Doomsday. He didnt want anyone else to know about it because he was embarrassed by it.
*sigh* So once again you can't provide proof and ignore all my points and merely rehash your faulty logic 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
You never once answered my question about whether throwing a competition in any event,challenge,etc. is honprable or dishonorable.
It's not in this case as Darkseid saved the universe by doing so, and did you miss the part where Orion did it before, and Highfather has done it several times I guess he is dishonorable too eh?