Battle #3

[Judge's Note]

Originally posted by batdude123
-nonofficial- (sorry 😮 )

Actually, DC only has 6/9 OFFICIAL posts. The ones on page three weren't official. 😉

This post:

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

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Originally posted by leonidas
NO!! that's the point. SILVER atom has never -- to teh best of my knowledge -- SHOWN that ability. IF they find a scan showing he ca do it, THEN we can tackle teh legalities of his voluntarily traveling back. but until such time, the character they are using has NOT shown the ability and it is not listed in his bio they provided.

We already know that Captain Atom can travel under his own power. Wildstorm Captain Atom is the same Atom, he wasn't even aware of the Void. He said that he had done it in past (before even getting to Wildstorm) and he had been taught to do that. We don't need to provide any more scans when it is already stated on panel that he CAN and HAS done so, without Wildstorm.

and this post:

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

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Originally posted by leonidas
gladiator SAID he ripped a star in half. hulk SAID he was the strongest. not the same thing dc, and i guarantee if you were in my position you'd be arguing against it too. wink

That is not the same thing and you know it. Atom was not boasting, he was stating a fact.

He can time travel under his own power, and we have proof to that. You, in turn have nothing against it.

Just stating the facts. Batdude will do the same, I think...

by DC were not flagged as non-official posts, and were direct retorts to an opponent's comments in this battle.

I counted them as official posts.

Captain Atom isnt his character therefore wouldnt those posts be nulled?

[Judge's Note]

Not nulled, wasted, just as newjak's Kyle post was.

The illegal argument is nulled. The post counts against the quota.

[Judge's Note]

Correction:

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Nah sorry. That's the idea behind the post limit. If we allowed 1 post to spill over into the next, we could have "1 post" be 20,000 characters. Either shorten it or make it 2...and for what it's worth, you're not the first to have this problem, and the decision has been the same for everyone.

Therefore, Leo has 6/9.

Official Post Counts:

Batdude: 4/9
DC: 8/9
Leo: 6/9
Kahn: 4/9 [/B

[Judge's Note]

Correction:

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Nah sorry. That's the idea behind the post limit. If we allowed 1 post to spill over into the next, we could have "1 post" be 20,000 characters. Either shorten it or make it 2...and for what it's worth, you're not the first to have this problem, and the decision has been the same for everyone.

Therefore, Leo has 6/9.

Official Post Counts:

Batdude: 4/9
DC: 8/9
Leo: 6/9
Kahn: 4/9

Originally posted by batdude123
Alright, leoboy. I think it’s hilarious that one of your main arguments against Captain Atom is to “overload” him with energy. You act as if he’s a sponge and can’t control what is absorbed in his body....

You know Batdude, if you had bothered to do the slightest amount research into the nature of Captain Atom's powers then you would know that he is an energy sponge. Instead, you simply spew out some unsupported conjecture (which sadly is become fairly typical habit with your team) as if it is fact.

Energy absorption is a characteristic inherent in the alien metal bonded to his skin not a ability he can consciously control:

The metal itself absorbs all the energy directed at it.

Every time Captain Atom jumps ahead in time he loses time he has to spend with his love ones or the ability to lead a "normal" life. As such he never wants to jump but it is a weakness inherent in his body thanks to the alien metal. As only an example of the nature of Captain Atom's inability to control the amount of energy he absorbs, in a fight with Maxima he is practically begging her not to overload him and send him forward in time:

Hell all the Surfer really has to do is just transmute the air around Captain Atom into a knock-out gas and he's done

Your attempt to make it sound as if he never has to worry about overloading honestly shows only an ignorance of your character's history. Next time you want to make some kind of claim, get some evidence first.

Originally posted by batdude123

Okay, so here we have Captain Atom Quantum leaping to the future. It takes him ....

http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=squantumleap3hd.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=squantumleap25tr.jpg

First, Captain Atom says he can only make himself travel about "a week or so." Given the amount of energy we are throwing at him in this fight, he is going to jump so far into the future that the only thing still alive on Earth are cockroaches and Cher. Being able to jumping back one week isn't going to help.

Secondly, Batdude has failed to prove that when Captain Atom is forced to time jump against his will that he has any idea of how far he has gone. As such Captain Atom wouldn't know "when" he needed to jump back to.

Lastly, there is an issue of how long he can stay in his target time when he makes himself jump. The scans provided by Batdude show that he can only stay for a few seconds at most before he is pulled back against his will. Thus, assuming he can jump back to join the fight and knows "when" to come back, he can only stay for a few seconds. Thus he is still out of the fight.

Also I would like to point out that Batdude yet again has failed to prove that the "classic" Captain Atom (the one they actually drafted) can cause himself to jump in time. His entire argument is a single quote from the Wildstorm crossover where Captain Atom was bonded to part of the Void for the entire series and accomplished several feats that the "classic" Captain Atom never has.

The problem with this is that that crossover was so full of continuity discrepancies and painfully obvious mistakes that is more fit to be used to wipe your backside than it is to be sited as a canon source in a debate. Here is just a small list of all they stuff that crossover got wrong:
http://comicbloc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=472017&postcount=9
http://comicbloc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=472049&postcount=11
And they are actually depending on a quote from that series as substitute for genuine feat. 🙄
"Classic" Captain Atom never learned how to jump ahead in time and they can't find a single scan to prove he did. Thus their entire argument is based on a editorial mistake and nothing more.

Originally posted by batdude123

That’s the best...

He grabbed the newspaper because it was the only thing close to him when he was sucked back in time against his will. That is yet more proof that he can't rejoin the fight when we overload him.

Originally posted by batdude123

Why would he even travel into the future...

I've already proven you wrong on this issue. But then again anything you or DarkCrawler don't like and can't rebut, well you just call it PIS and pray the judges forget about it.

But then again, perhaps Leo and I should have copied your incredibly sophisticated debating strategy and created a shield "that can block any attack ever because we say it can" in our prep. Or better yet, what if we made a really big ray gun that "can kill the other team to death real quick in a hurry." Even better we could just keep making up powers for our characters. 😱 Shucks, I guess we just ain't that smart. 😬

Originally posted by batdude123

I have to admit leo..

Wrong again, I'm afraid. Once more I'm forced to wonder if you've even taken the time to look at the scans before you decided to blather on and on about it. If you had you would have seen Reed Richards accompanying the Surfer and suffering no ill effects from the burst of light. Obviously the Surfer knows how to use that attack without it harming his allies. Remember his exact words, "My Power Cosmic can do whatever I will." If he wills it not to hurt his allies, it won't.

Besides you've presented no evidence that our other two characters are vulnerable to such an attack (as one has a personal shield and the other isn't human). Just another instance where you fail to back up your claim with any evidence whatsoever.

Originally posted by batdude123

Captain Atom can get this close to the sun without it affecting his eyes in the SLIGHTEST bit. Silver Surfer’s attack may make him flinch and cover his eyes, but will most certainly not blind him. ❌

http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatomandthesun6ve.jpg

You know I really should thank you Batdude for making this so easy for me. This is only more evidence that the Wildstorm version of Captain Atom is different from the "classic" version. "Classic" Captain Atom is easily blinded while the Wildstorm version can look directly at the sun with no ill effects. Just another example of the powerup he received in the crossover much like his ability to make himself jump in time.

The fact remains that you cannot counter any of our attacks with scans of "classic" Captain Atom. If you were going to be so dependant on a powered up version of a character, I wonder why you drafted him in the first place 😑

Originally posted by batdude123

So, our plan will continue as before....

wallbash It's like arguing with a kid with ADD who just did a line of coke and drank a gallon of coffee. Have you actually been listening to what Leo and I have been saying the whole fight?

One fight where he has a decent showing against Hal is irrelevant as you and DC have failed to prove you can even begin to counter our plan. As per our plan and the scans we've shown to support it, Captain Atom will be blind (too bad he isn't bonded to the Void in this fight, huh?), our entire team will be invisible, and we have a giant speed advantage. That means we pick who fights who, not you. Quite literally, Captain Atom will never see Hal. And even if he could see, we've shown he and Magneto can't tell the difference between holograms and the real thing.

After the fight starts an invisible Hal is playing "kick his head in" with Morg, the Surfer has killed Magneto in any number of countless ways, and Leo has Maxima handing Captain Atom his ass to him with a little help from the Surfer.

What Batdude and DarkCrawler have repeatedly failed to prove:
-That the "classic" version of Captain Atom can avoid being blinded and that he can even come close to handling the level of energy, telepathy, physical, and chemical attacks he will be facing.
-That their version of Captain Atom can duplicate any of his Wildstorm feats.
-That any of their characters will be able to see through our holograms.
-That Morg has Cosmic Awareness or any other power that would let him see Hal
-That Magneto can avoid being killed by the Silver Surfer mere moments into the fight by the laundry list of possible attacks Leo and I have presented (not that I think anyone actually believes that Magneto can ever hope to match up to SS anyway).
-Or that they can to anything to counter our attack plan.

Until they at least attempt to address these issues instead of just ignoring them and hoping they will go away, I don't see how they think their team is going to last one minute.

And tell me, why won’t him preparing to all types of imaginable attacks cover BLINDING too? First of all, blinding is one of the most obvious attacks in the history of mankind. Second of all, Magneto has been attacked this way before. I don’t see no reason why he could not prepare for this.

you REALLY don't get this? dc, i'm not questioning why 'all imaginable attacks' wouldn't cover blinding . . . 🙄 what i'm 'questioning' is your team's ability (and by 'your team i mean you and bats) to SAY he's 'prepared to deal with ALL imaginable attacks!' but now i see it's all right. at the start of the tourn, kahn and i didn't know that these all-inclusive type deals were legal, so we've switched our invisibilty and attack a little bit. how's this: instead of simply making us invisible, hal makes us invisible to ALL IMAGINABLE TYPES OF SENSES! yep, that includes magnetic, quantum and cosmic senses. i mean he HAS faced each type of opponent before, so why couldn't he? and while we are COMPLETELY undetectable from all imaginable senses, he has all day to whip up a little ray gun that shoots out 'every imaginable weakness!' and kills you all! i mean if the judges are willing to overlook your 'all-inclusive shielding', then surely they can overlook our 'all-inclusive invisibility' and 'all-inclusive weapon'. right . . .?

Mag’s durability is superhuman.

wrong, completely refutable but wholly irrelevant to this debate. he dies instantly, regardless of whatever level of durability you attribute to him.

Anticipate that someone might blind him when he has been blinded before? Yeah, he has.

judges can decide if they believe he is blinded or not. the issue is old. more important: blind or not -- he dies an instant later

Sure, why not?

Well, since you failed to mention this one before . . . Looks like the whole “Brighter then nova” thing was just hyperbole. That won’t take out ANY of our team, even if it hit (Which it won’t).

um, how did atom shield himself again . . .? now, first, malice was looking at it through the window of a spaceship! you don't think the window would be specially shielded?? it would just let in any stray cosmic rays?? secondly, the Surfer had to create enough light to blind someone with 6 SOUL GEMS for pete's sake! AND third, they were fighting in a realm she created so he was cut off from his normal source of energy! as an aside, it is also PAINFULLY obvious the goal of the writer was to have sue and reed face off . . .

i like these next three:

1. He clearly did not use all his abilities there…seeing as he has been able to use his magnetic abilities to give him sensory abilities in past.

2. Usually when he has shield it shows some kind of field around him. And EVEN if he had shields, they were clearly not in full power...

3. Plot devices. Me and batdude are controlling Magneto, and he won’t be dropping his shields.

ahh, blessed PIS. angel_not the forum-wide annoucement of desperation. and no less than THREE consecutive cries of PIS! you guys seem to be doing that a lot to our scans . . . 😖hifty:

Eh, what’s with all this hate?

you know me better than that dc. but just cuz i'm not hatin' doesn't mean i can't poke fun at some of your teams rebuttals. pokey

Seeing as he is entirely in a whole new universe, like you said…

you really ARE confused about this, eh. no hate, just legitimate misunderstanding. this is from my prior post where i explain the attack:

<<now, when the ss shrinks, he actually becomes SMALLER than a photon. do you see where this is heading . . .? he is so small, no information can be related regarding him to the charged particles that look like planets all around him. to mag's em shielding, ss is in all ways, 'not there'.>>

dc, he DOES NOT AND NEVER DID enter the microverse. he becomes so small that the em force in effect cannot 'see' him. he NEVER leaves our universe. never. in the scan he HAD to shrink all the way out of the universe. here he DOES NOT have to get that small to effortlessly get through the shield. so he STAYS in this universe, the distance is less than nothing to someone who can travel thousands of light years in moments AND his cosmic senses remain perfectly in tact. capiche?

a) Seeing as it was stated multiple times by multiple characters that Morg’s cosmic power rivals/is greater then Surfers

equal or greater? ❌

note morg cannot HEAL, as surfer can. why would/should we assume he has ss's OTHER abilities, like cosmic awareness . . .?

SPECIAL NOTE

i REALLY hope these 2 posts count as one. they are WELL below the 10 000 character limit and i TRIED to copy the link (not the image) from imageshack!! but the whole image keeps showing up! can someone please tell me what i am doing wrong so i can avoid this. i'm well below the post limit and i don't want to chop out images which are evidence for the debate. HELP!!

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Neutrons (If you don’t know, they are non-charged particles) are still affected by electromagnetis because of the quarks (which are smallest particles ever) inside them are affected by all fundamental forces in the Universe. If he has matter manipulation abilities on QUARK scale (which I don’t believe he has either) sure, I guess he gets through…but I doubt he has…and I don’t think he has rendered anything in himself non-electrical. The best he could do would be possibly creating opposite charge, and even then Magneto could affect him.

the old 'college try', eh. i like it. it's wrong, but i like it. 😄 what you needed to do was keep reading. while it is true that a neutron is made of 3 partially charged quarks, the force that BINDS THE QUARKS together is NOT the electromagnetic force, but the STRONG FORCE -- sometimes called the color force. either way, gluons are the messengers between quarks, not photons so the em force has no part at that level. and photons and quarks are both fundamental particles -- neither is really 'smaller'. and in any event, in this case the SS is SMALLER than even these most fundamental particles. he is beyond the reach of all 4 fundamental forces. 🙂

He won’t be able to do that either with Morg attacking him.

you still have yet to show anyone morg is anything more than a bruising brawler who is even capable of this level of cosmic awareness. oh, don't get me wrong -- you keep SAYING it, but you have never once SHOWED it. would you care to try and back up your claim like you and bats backed up your claim that morg was equal to or greater than the ss . . . ? 😖hifty:

“Plot devices. Me and batdude are controlling Magneto, and he won’t be dropping his shields.“

PIS?? again??? yikes! 😱

What stops Magneto changing it back?

what’s to keep magneto from transmuting the knockout gas back into air . . .? 😕 elements are determined by the number of PROTONS in the nucleus. And guess which force does NOT control the binding of protons . . .? so if mags can’t control how protons are bound, he cannot control which elements to create and so cannot transmute elements. I’d guess he can alter metal because the elements are ALREADY present. He’s not ‘changing’ them. he’s more like moving them around . . .

to recap for those keeping score:

--ss flies straight through mags shield and kills him
--max teleports behind atom and psi-blasts him into unconsciousness or makes him jump into the future. for problems with that, see kahn's post. they (and we) have made a lot of to-do about making him jump. they made an error and amped him with energy so it seemed the easied way to deal with him. it is NOT the only way max could deal with him. they have given no excuse for why the psi-blast wouldn't simply ko him -- especially if he was 'trying to NOT absorb it'. (not that he has a choice -- see kahn's post . . .) bear in mind the name's she has taken out in the past -- supergirl, orion, cap marvel, brainiac. that's a VERY impressive list. she has superman level strength and we've seen he CAN be beat physically (major force and mary marvel). she ALSO could also potentially peel the 'alien metal' skin right off his body. metal is something she is almost as comfortable working with as magneto is:

or she could always just mentally take control of him -- not have him fight for them, (that would be illegal . . .) but just hold him until ss and hal are done . . . here she isn't even LOOKING at the being who is made completely of energy:

so, once again you get to take your pick of just how you'd like to see our opponents fall. ss and max have MULTIPLE ways to end their battles and they all have the same result -- morg v the 3 of us -- if hal hasn't polished him off already. for their part, they STILL remain unable to counter ss's PRIMARY attack method. they STILL remain unable to keep max from porting behind atom and finishing him off -- a point they STILL have not even bothered to address!

[Judge's Note]

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Nah sorry. That's the idea behind the post limit. If we allowed 1 post to spill over into the next, we could have "1 post" be 20,000 characters. Either shorten it or make it 2...and for what it's worth, you're not the first to have this problem, and the decision has been the same for everyone.

Sorry Leo.

You should copy the "direct link to image" url and post it as a link rather than an image. You can make an appeal to Digi given the circumstances. Maybe he'll make an exception.

As it stands now, those are 2 posts against your quota, and you now stand at 8/9.

Originally posted by illadelph12
[Judge's Note]

Sorry Leo.

You should copy the "direct link to image" url and post it as a link rather than an image. You can make an appeal to Digi given the circumstances. Maybe he'll make an exception.

As it stands now, those are 2 posts against your quota, and you now stand at [b]8/9. [/B]

What he said. You would have been able to make it 1 post if you just posted the links. But as it is, they can't be combined as they are and I can't declare 2 posts to be 1 (I'm nigh-omnicient, but I stop at changing basic laws of math and physics). 🙄

So sorry leo. I feel bad, but I have to rule the same for everyone.

Originally posted by TheKahn
You know Batdude, if you had bothered to do the slightest amount research into the nature of Captain Atom's powers then you would know that he [b]is an energy sponge. Instead, you simply spew out some unsupported conjecture (which sadly is become fairly typical habit with your team) as if it is fact. [/B]

Kahn, please don’t talk down to me like you think you’re better than me or something, okay? No, Captain Atom doesn’t automatically absorb energy. Uh oh!!! What’s happening here? Yeah, he didn’t absorb the energy coming from this attack.

http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdurability0th.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdurability28qm.jpg

Or how about here? He’s RIGHT next to the sun, and yet he was able to control the amount of radiation he took in. According to you, he should’ve time traveled WAY before he got to this point. Captain Atom controlled the amount of radiation, and sped up that process in Apollo’s body. Seems to me like he has control over that aspect. 😬

http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatomandthesun4jz.jpg
http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatomandthesun25bo.jpg

Originally posted by TheKahn
Hell all the Surfer really has to do is just transmute the air around Captain Atom

Yeah, good luck with that considering transmutation is banned for the tourney. Not only that, you’re debating for leo’s character which I’m pretty sure is NOT allowed. 😉

Originally posted by TheKahn
Your attempt to make it sound as if he never has to worry about overloading honestly shows only an ignorance of your character's history. Next time you want to make some kind of claim, get some evidence first.

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? It seems to me like you’re trying to get the upper hand in this debate by trying to insult me. Way to go. 😆

Originally posted by TheKahn
First, Captain Atom says he can only make himself travel about "a week or so." Given the amount of energy we are throwing at him in this fight, he is going to jump so far into the future that the only thing still alive on Earth are cockroaches and Cher. Being able to jumping back one week isn't going to help.

Uh huh, and how are you going to do this with Morg attacking Silver Surfer, and as I have already shown; Captain Atom taking out Hal Jordan?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Also I would like to point out that Batdude yet again has failed to prove that the "classic" Captain Atom (the one they actually drafted) can cause himself to jump in time. His entire argument is a single quote from the Wildstorm crossover where Captain Atom was bonded to part of the Void for the [b]entire series and accomplished several feats that the "classic" Captain Atom never has. [/B]

Oh geez, are you guys STILL whining about that? 🙄 It’s been established that his VOID POWERS WEREN’T ACTIVATED UNTIL THE VERY END OF THE SERIES. Hell, I even showed Scans of the incident. I really don’t know what your argument here is. It is the same Captain Atom as in DC. Digi okayed it, so move on with the debate and get off this subject.

Originally posted by TheKahn
The problem with this is that that crossover was so full of continuity discrepancies and painfully obvious mistakes that is more fit to be used to wipe your backside than it is to be sited as a canon source in a debate. Here is just a small list of all they stuff that crossover got wrong:
http://comicbloc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=472017&postcount=9
http://comicbloc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=472049&postcount=11
And they are actually depending on a quote from that series as substitute for genuine feat.
"Classic" Captain Atom never learned how to jump ahead in time and they can't find a single scan to prove he did. Thus their entire argument is based on a editorial mistake and nothing more.

This is funny, because it can still be used as evidence. A hell of a lot of comic books that are canon have many mistakes in them. Take the JLA/Avengers crossover comic. That’s a canon comic, however Kyle was portrayed as his “rookie” self, and he hasn’t been a rookie since the early/mid 90’s. Same goes for Thor. He was portrayed as his “Classical” self, and yet in his own series, he was “Rune King” Thor. So, you’re just trying to nitpick at what you don’t like in our posts. It IS canon, and it CAN be used as evidence. The arc was actually used more for DC’s continuity, rather than Wildstorm’s. The story was a continuation of what happened to Captain Atom in the Superman/Batman series, and also he reappeared from the Wildstorm visit in Infinite Crisis #7. So, that might clear a few things up. 😬 It is in DC’s continuity. So….. “Yes” to using that series (before issue 9) as evidence.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I've already proven you wrong on this issue. But then again anything you or DarkCrawler don't like and can't rebut, well you just call it PIS and pray the judges forget about it.

But then again, perhaps Leo and I should have copied your incredibly sophisticated debating strategy and created a shield "that can block any attack ever because we say it can" in our prep…

Wow, laying on the sarcasm a little thick, I’d say. Btw, Magneto with the 15 minutes of prep would have plenty of time to make his strongest shields stacked on top of one another. He’s made shields that have protected himself and other members of the X-Men from a mental attack from Galactus, he’s made a shield that deflects photons, he’s made shields that can disperse energy, and fire it right back at the other person, and he has made shields that can be powered up with EM energy. Visible radiation (or light), is a basic part of the EM spectrum. So, he would either deflect this attack, or absorb it.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Wrong again, I'm afraid. Once more I'm forced to wonder if you've even taken the time to look at the scans before you decided to blather on and on about it. If you had you would have seen Reed Richards accompanying the Surfer and suffering no ill effects from the burst of light. Obviously the Surfer knows how to use that attack without it harming his allies. Remember his exact words, "My Power Cosmic can do whatever I will." If he wills it not to hurt his allies, it won't.

Besides you've presented [b]no evidence that our other two characters are vulnerable to such an attack (as one has a personal shield and the other isn't human). Just another instance where you fail to back up your claim with any evidence whatsoever. [/B]

Okay, so you’re ASSUMING that Silver Surfer made the nova attack have no ill effects on his teammates without any actual proof. 😑 Also, you guys just decided to leave out the scans that DC brought up as a continuation of his little “nova” attack. It proved to not have lasting effects on them, and in return it took a lot of energy out of Silver Surfer. I mean it REALLY drained Silver Surfer. So, not only did it hardly do anything to our team, it took an incredible amount of energy out of Silver Surfer (you stuck to this strategy, and you’re gonna pay for it).

I think it’s hilarious how you guys went from “Obviously Hal would act quickly to shield himself and Maxima…” to “Uh… Well… I doubt it would do any damage to our team in the first place.” 😆

Originally posted by TheKahn
You know I really should thank you Batdude for making this so easy for me.

Nope. ❌ I have proven that that version of Captain Atom can be used as evidence.

Originally posted by TheKahn
wallbash It's like arguing with a kid with ADD who just did a line of coke and drank a gallon of coffee. Have you actually been listening to what Leo and I have been saying the whole fight?

You wanna talk about the people with ADD… How many times did I have to bring up the fact that Captain Atom’s void powers weren’t activated until the very last issue? 😆

Originally posted by TheKahn
One fight where he has a decent showing against Hal is irrelevant.

Decent showing? DECENT?! He BEAT Hal Jordan. If that’s not a great feat, then I don’t know what is.

Originally posted by TheKahn
as you and DC have failed to prove you can even begin to counter our plan. [/B]

Yeah, actually we have…

Originally posted by TheKahn
What Batdude and DarkCrawler have repeatedly failed to prove:
…. [/B]

You seriously need to find a different way to start off the battle, cause you’ve put too much stock into the whole “nova” attack. DC has shown countless amounts of ways for Magneto to take down Maxima, I’ve shown scans of Captain Atom BEATING Hal, and Silver Surfer/Morg fights usually are pretty even. I don’t know why you guys are saying that Silver Surfer would do all these things when Morg would be attacking him. Granted, if SS gets the upper hand on Morg, either Cap Atom or Magneto would be there to help him.

Right from the beginning, Captain Atom would attack your opposing team and go “supernova.” As proved by the scans, Hal couldn’t take a heavy dose of Quantum energy, and it wouldn’t prove to be so good for a drained Silver Surfer. The nova attack from SS would be dispersed by Mags, or better yet, it would power him up. In the end, our team would be the victors.

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Originally posted by leonidas
you…

*sigh*

He’s preparing for all the imaginable attacks that he has ways of countering, and that HE can imagine. It is in his powers to be able to put his shields to counter blinding, and he has been attacked this way before, so he knows that this is a tactic he needs to prepare against.

Originally posted by leonidas
wrong…

Sure it’s wrong. I mean, normal man can OBVIOUSLY take a punch from Colossus to head while being weakened, and without helmet…and fight Colossus in hand to hand combat...🤨

Note – Nightcrawler stated that the punch would have ripped an normal man’s head off.

Originally posted by leonidas
judges…

But wait…you have failed to prove how he dies…he doesn’t.

You seem to be assuming that Silver Surfer is so fast that our team can’t do anything…when Morg has already proven that he can easily react to his attacks…and is not the only one who has above human reflexes…

You ALSO seem to think that he is easily able to hit warp speed in nanoseconds WHILE in Earthlike atmosphere (which is naturally much harder then in vacuum of space)…which he has really never done.

Originally posted by leonidas
um….

His power source is Power Cosmic. Nowhere it was stated that the place did not have ambient cosmic energy (it had to have, otherwise Surfer would have been powerless from the start). The place did not have anything to do with that.

And six gems or not, her durability was not increased, (seeing as she actually did not wield any of the gems, they need to be on contact with the person, even showed that in the comic) seeing as Reed Richards was able to made her bleed with ONE punch. And spaceships are hardly made for being able to shield from light of a supernova from close range, seeing as they could not survive from supernova in the beginning. And the ship was made by Galactus, anyone who would wield the ship would not need shielding from anything, really…then add the fact that Reed and Surfer could see Malice through the class…its protection from light, if there was one at all, was minimal. So, what we know thus far…

-Surfer can only blind someone with normal durability for seconds…
-The blinding does not cause ANY pain at all…
-And it drains Surfer’s power.

Good choice for an opening attack...

Originally posted by leonidas
ahh…

None of your scans matter anyway. Magneto will have his shields in this fight, and he won’t be dropping them.

Originally posted by leonidas
pokey

I guess it would be fun to have an non-sarcastic debate for once.

Originally posted by leonidas
dc…

In order to become smaller then photon, and have atoms look like planets, one needs to enter the microverse, as shown by your own scan. “Must compress my body…enter the microverse”

You said it even yourself…
“now, when the ss shrinks, he actually becomes SMALLER than a photon. do you see where this is heading . . .? he is so small, no information can be related regarding him to the charged particles that look like planets all around him. to mag's em shielding, ss is in all ways, 'not there'.”

Originally posted by leonidas
equal or greater?

Pretty much.
http://img34.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc191&image=83222_surfer6.jpg
http://img136.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc46&image=83226_surfer7.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
note…

Originally posted by leonidas
the old ....

So you pretty much admit that he is going to enter the microverse?

Originally posted by leonidas
what’s...

Humans have used magnetic fields and electromagnetic forces to influence neutrons and protons. I’d believe that a man who has studied these two things his entire life and has complete control over them would easily be able to do the same.

Now, since I am not sure if this is my last or second last post, I’d like to post some stuff about Morg, who I have overlooked in this tourney:

Morg’s axe is extremely powerful weapon. It can cut through virtually anything. In this scan, a weakened Morg shatters Surfer’s board with it.
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8876/morgcutssurferboardyd6.jpg
Morg has also effortlessly cut through Air-Walker with it.
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/1269/morgcutsthroughawgp6.jpg

Needless to say that Morg would cut through any of his opponents with ease, and Green Lantern Force fields would be like butter to an axe that has cut through the board of Surfer. It also might seem that Morg has no precision, but as the following scan shows, this is not the fact.
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/4513/morgprecisionfb2.jpg

Morg’s axe also channels his cosmic power, and enables him to absorb blasts and fire immensely strong blasts that can knock out Surfer with just a single hit (He did not use neither in his second battle – probably one of the reasons he lost):
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6715/morgdealswithblastsandblastssurfersh4.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8632/morgsurferdownix8.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3631/morgsurferknockedoutmb9.jpg
Another instance where he just deflected an force blast back:
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9703/morgdestroysfleethz8.jpg

As for the strength and durability of Morg, it’s obvious that he is physically strongest character of this tourney, seeing as he has overpowered both Surfer and Thanos (Shows durability here too, him taking their blasts with ease):
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7522/morgoverpowerssurfer2xf8.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8471/morgtakesthanosblastandoverpowerstgi9.jpg
Morg has also held Surfer in arm lock effortlessly.
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5141/morgstrongerthensurferom6.jpg
His durability also enabled him to take full shots from Air-Walker and Firelord with no harm at all. Both of them have hurt Surfer before.

As for Morg’s speed, he’s surprised Silver Surfer multiple times, and surprised Thanos:
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1765/morgoverpowerssurferbg7.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7522/morgoverpowerssurfer2xf8.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8471/morgtakesthanosblastandoverpowerstgi9.jpg
He’s also dodged blasts from Surfer effortlessly:
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/648/morgdealswithblastsandblastssurferzl1.jpg
And like I aforementioned before, he’s shown warp speed many times, like when he flew from destroying Skrull Armada to Worldship, and when he found Terrax among other things (which also shows his cosmic awareness):
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7866/morgagainstterraxwe5.jpg
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3394/morgagainstterrax2py6.jpg
http://img106.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc230&image=83243_terrax2.jpg

So, what would Morg do in this tourney? Well, as he has shown, he could go toe to toe with Surfer, and even defeat him, if he just uses his axe like he should. He could defeat Green Lantern pretty effortlessly, seeing as his shields would not stop him, and his energy projection would not kill him, and he could not restrain him because of his strength and Power Cosmic. And as for Maxima, Tyrant could not break his mind with all the tortures and needed machines to get through his mental layers, so she could not do much. Morg is also stronger and more durable then she is.

I’d also like to stress the fact that after his nova attack, Silver Surfer is drained to the point that Morg will make short work of him. Surfer will be stopped before he has time to do anything by Morg who has shown that he has the speed to surprise him, and he sure as hell could surprise the weakened Surfer...and so could any of our characters.

Originally posted by batdude123
Kahn, please don’t talk down to me like you think you’re better than me or something, okay? No, Captain Atom...

To the point at hand, I would once more like to remind the judges exactly who Batdude drafted. He selected to represent this version of Captain Atom (this is even the very bio he provided, second entry):
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/c/capatom2.htm

Now instead of actually debating for the character he chose and drawing up his 20 year history in D.C. comics for proof of his abilities (as Leo and I have done), Batdude has depended entirely upon a single crossover where Captain Atom irrefutably received a power up at the beginning of the series for proof. He has consistently failed to proved any evidence whatsoever that the "classic" Captain Atom can repeat these cited feats, while Leo and I have shown scan after scan proving that he cannot. It's apparent what has happened here. Batdude has tried to pull the old "switch-a-roo" on all of us by drafting one version of a character and debating for another. Poor form, mate. 🙁

Here we merely see another example of that. The scans Leo and I posted earlier where "classic" Captain Atom is easily blinded by a simple laser and can not control the amount of energy he absorbs lies in stark comparison to this Wildstorm version merely proving that they are in fact very different characters indeed. The fact that Batdude hasn't used a single scan of "classic" Atom the entire debate should set off major warning bells.

Originally posted by batdude123

Yeah, good luck with that considering transmutation is banned...

Wrong and wrong.

Originally posted by illadelph12
[Judge's Note]

Direct application of matter manipulation/transmutation to your opponent is banned. You can, however, effect elements of the battlefield.

Also, the Surfer is our team character. I can debate for him. ✅
Which means we have yet another way to take Atom down.

Originally posted by batdude123

Uh huh, and how are you going to do this with Morg...?

Once again we have another pointless statement that fails to take into account the realities of the fight. You have not proved that Morg or Captain Atom can either detect our invisible team or see though our holograms (in fact we've shown several times where Atom was easily fooled by holograms). Until you do the fight proceeds following the parameters we have determined.

Originally posted by batdude123

Oh geez, are...

The "establishment" (and I use this word loosely) is based solely on your own conjecture which, to say the least, fails to meet the standards of proof required for this debate. The evidence you conveniently provided both Leo and I and the judges only proves that the feats done by the Wildstorm Atom cannot be repeated by "classic" Atom (you know the guy you actually drafted?) meaning that he was upgraded to some degree during the entire series. Again if you can confirm any of those feats with scans of "classic" Atom then be my guest, but we all know you can't.

And all that Digi "ok" was the ability for your team to make the arguments, he didn't decree that they had to be accepted as gospel by either us or the judges.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Again, judges can decide if they want to believe it or not....they're certainly free to choose either way depending on what they feel is the better argument. You're more than welcome to continue to debate against the return as a tactic...but I'm pretty much done making decrees.

Originally posted by batdude123

This is funny, because it can still be used as evidence....

I suppose you could use an editorial mistake from a error riddled and poorly done crossover as a substitute for an actual feat in a debate if you wanted to. I just don't think I'd would have depended my entire debating strategy upon it like you have done. But I guess I'm just weird like that.

Originally posted by batdude123

Wow, laying on...

Once again basic logic is savagely assaulted. Let's go over this one more time:

1. Magneto has no where near the reaction times needed to face off against someone with the Surfer's level of speed (this should sound familiar as you've used the same argument in the Superman vs Hulk debate yourself). Which means that Mags not be able to form a single thought much less any offensive maneuver (such as controlling light) before he dies.

2. You failed to mention anywhere in you prep that Magneto is going to shield himself from visible light (unless you want to try out the "shield that can block every imaginable attack ever by anyone" argument again 🙄 ). Which means his eyes get roasted in the first second of the fight. The the Surfer will proceed to kill Magneto in any of the several way Leo and I have noted. Personally, I'd go with the acid bath, but that's just me. 🙂

Originally posted by batdude123

Okay, so you’re ASSUMING....

Please tell me where in that scan does it show Reed Richards suffering any ill effects from the nova attack. Reed was perfectly fine after the attack, just as our team will be. The proof is in the scan, you're just ignoring it.

Also on your ignore list is that fact that they were in a "dark" dimension created by the Invisible Woman/Malice and thus the Surfer was cut off from his source of energy. In a normal universe I've proven that the Surfer can disperse enough energy to create a black hole without being "REALLY drained." This flash is nothing to him.

Originally posted by batdude123

I think it’s hilarious...

What can I say? I like covering all the bases.

However, if you actually think that either Hal with his personal shield and Maxima with her alien physiology can be blinded in such a fashion then please post the scans proving that, as we did with both Captain Atom andMagneto. Until then Hal and Max will be just fine.

Originally posted by batdude123

Nope. ❌ I have proven that that version of Captain Atom can be used as evidence.

Oh, so you've actually shown instances where "classic" Atom duplicated the feats you are claiming he can do? I must have missed those darn things somewhere... 😕

Originally posted by batdude123

You wanna talk about the people with ADD…

See you keep saying one thing, while all the evidence and your own failure to provide confirmation with "classic" Atom feats says something quite different. ✅

Originally posted by batdude123

Decent showing?.

You finally used some "classic" Atom scans. 💃

Too bad it's completely irrelevant.
Going by the feats I've provided for Hal (such as taking down the entire JLA and ko'ing Mongul while severely injured) and the much more common results of Captain Atom's fights (nearly being beat to death by Mary Marvel and having his ass handed to him by Major Force) it is clear that this was a low showing for Hal and a damn good one for Atom.

More importantly, you have not proven that Captain Atom and Hal will ever face each other on the battle field. You haven't shown that "classic" Atom won't be blind, that he won't be fooled by the holograms, and that he won't be ko'ed/bfr/killed by an invisible Maxima and Surfer the first few moments into the fight.

Originally posted by batdude123

Yeah, actually we have…

🙄

Originally posted by batdude123

You seriously need to find a different way to start off the battle...

Nah, I think we'll stick to the one we have as you're seeming to have a devil of a time with it. The nova attack is only being used to hid the actions of our team. The fact that it will blind two of your characters is only an added bonus.

Magneto:
-Can't counter the Surfer's speed or any of his other powers (such as matter transmutation or his ability to shrink below the threshold of the EM force. Thus his being blind isn't a prerequisite for his death
He's dead with in a second of the fight starting meaning that the fight instantly becomes 3 on 2.

Captain Atom:
-Haven't shown that "classic" Atom defend himself from any of our attacks
-Thus he is going to be fighting blind
-facing invisible opponents (so being able to see isn't going to help him anyway)
-can't tell the difference in the holograms
-and can't withstand the level of any of the telepathic, energy, physical, and chemical attacks he will be subjected to in the first moments of the fight.
Thus outnumbered and out powered, his lifespan in this fight can be measured in seconds.

Morg:
-They haven't proven he can detect our invisible team in any way
-or that he can tell the difference in the holograms.
Thus from the start he is attacking the "wrong" team and is being beaten to a bloody pulp by Hal whom he can not see.

Originally posted by illadelph12
[Judge's Note]

This post:

[B]We already know that Captain Atom can travel under his own power. Wildstorm Captain Atom is the same Atom, he wasn't even aware of the Void. He said that he had done it in past (before even getting to Wildstorm) and he had been taught to do that. We don't need to provide any more scans when it is already stated on panel that he CAN and HAS done so, without Wildstorm.

and this post:

That is not the same thing and you know it. Atom was not boasting, he was stating a fact.

He can time travel under his own power, and we have proof to that. You, in turn have nothing against it.

Just stating the facts. Batdude will do the same, I think... [/QUOTE]

by DC were not flagged as non-official posts, and were direct retorts to an opponent's comments in this battle.

I counted them as official posts. [/B][/QUOTE]

-nonofficial-

Yeah, those were non official posts on DC's part. 😉

[Judge's Note]

Originally posted by batdude123
and this post:

[B]That is not the same thing and you know it. Atom was not boasting, he was stating a fact.

He can time travel under his own power, and we have proof to that. You, in turn have nothing against it.

Just stating the facts. Batdude will do the same, I think...

by DC were not flagged as non-official posts, and were direct retorts to an opponent's comments in this battle.

I counted them as official posts. [/B]

-nonofficial-

Yeah, those were non official posts on DC's part. 😉 [/B]

They weren't marked as non-official posts, and they were both direct retorts to the comments made by leonidas, a combatant in this battle.

They are official posts, and DC has now reached his 9 post quota.

We are enforcing the rules down the middle. I'm sorry DC and Batdude, but those 2 posts count against DC's quota. The remaining argument is up to you Batdude.

Originally posted by illadelph12
[Judge's Note]

They weren't marked as non-official posts, and they were both direct retorts to the comments made by [b]leonidas, a combatant in this battle.

They are official posts, and DC has now reached his 9 post quota.

We are enforcing the rules down the middle. I'm sorry DC and Batdude, but those 2 posts count against DC's quota. The remaining argument is up to you Batdude. [/B]

-nonofficial-

No, they were simply discussing the matter at hand. It was a joint discussion between the judges and the opponents. I pmed Digi, and he said that it's okay for them to count as nonofficial posts. 😉

NON_OFFICIAL

umm, who's judging this again . . . 😕

waht do the other judges think? and if they're NOT official then i get another post as well, correct . . .

Originally posted by TheKahn
Please don't misinterpret my intentions Batdude. I mean no disrespect, but I cannot allow you to have a easy ride in this debate and so I am force to point out the numerous mistakes you and DC have made.

As am I. You guys aren’t in the clear either, and you certainly have made some mistakes.

Originally posted by TheKahn
To the point at hand, I would once more like to remind the judges exactly who Batdude drafted. He selected to represent this version of Captain Atom (this is even the very bio he provided, second entry):
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/c/capatom2.htm

No, seriously just stop with the whole “WELL… BUT… BUT… THAT ISN’T THEIR VERSION OF CAPTAIN ATOM!!!” I’m sure the judges are getting sick and tired of hearing this, and I’m getting tired of proving you wrong on this account. You need to accept the fact that the version in his Wildstorm miniseries is the exact same Captain Atom, and his void powers weren’t activated until the end. Seriously, DIGI okayed the use of them as evidence. LET IT GO.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Now instead of actually debating for the character he chose and drawing up his 20 year history in D.C. comics for proof of his abilities (as Leo and I have done), Batdude has depended entirely upon a single crossover where Captain Atom irrefutably received a power up at the beginning of the series for proof. He has consistently failed to proved any evidence whatsoever that the "classic" Captain Atom can repeat these cited feats, while Leo and I have shown scan after scan [b]proving that he cannot. It's apparent what has happened here. Batdude has tried to pull the old "switch-a-roo" on all of us by drafting one version of a character and debating for another. Poor form, mate. [/B]

No. How many times do I have to prove that it was the same exact Captain Atom? You’re just grabbing at straws here. I don’t really see what your argument here is.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Here we merely see another example of that. The scans Leo and I posted earlier where "classic" Captain Atom is easily blinded by a simple laser…

A simple laser is much brighter than a star itself. Not only that, it was focused directly in his eyes. Considering both Reed and Sue didn’t suffer any effects from the “nova” attack of Silver Surfer, I doubt it was even close to being brighter than a laser. 😉

Originally posted by TheKahn
Once again we have another pointless statement that fails to take into account the realities of the fight…

Which doesn’t make any difference because the little “nova” attack of Silver Surfer’s wouldn’t do anything to our team, in fact; it might work to our advantage. Magneto’s shields would either deflect it, or use it to power himself up. Not only that, but Surfer would be incredibly drained after using that attack, and would prove to be mincemeat for Morg after that.

Originally posted by TheKahn
The "establishment" (and I use this word loosely)…

No, cause I’ve proven that it’s the same Captain Atom, and that it’s in continuity. You’ve done nothing more than constantly whine about the subject. 🙄

Originally posted by TheKahn
And all that Digi "ok"…

I was actually talking about a pm Digi gave me.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I suppose you could use an editorial mistake…

Wrong again. I proved that the void reaction wasn’t set off until the very end of the series. He wasn’t powered up in any way. Why do you automatically go to “Well, it’s obviously an editorial mistake?” Is that the best you can do? It was shown on panel, and he SAID it, and not only was it the normal Captain Atom, but it was in continuity. So I’m sorry, but I’m gonna take a comic’s word over yours. 😉 Besides, the way he said it implied that it was a part of his basic training when he received the alien suit.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Once again basic logic is savagely assaulted. Let's go over this one more time:

Alright, this should be fun…

Originally posted by TheKahn
1. Magneto...

Hmm, Silver Surfer would be drained from the nova attack, and all you guys have tried to say about him getting through all Magneto’s shields is that:

A) He would become smaller than a photon:
Yet, DC proved that when he entered the microverse he hardly knew wear he was and couldn’t do anything. He would have to be bigger in order to even notice where he is, and if he gets any bigger, he wouldn’t be able to make it through Magneto’s shield considering he can manipulate things on an atomic level.

B) He would phase through the shield:
Which my friend is not an effective tactic to use against Magneto. Just ask Vision and Shadowcat about that one.

Originally posted by TheKahn
2. You failed to mention anywhere in you prep that Magneto is going to shield…

Some of his basic shields disperse and fire energy right back at the other person, or are simply POWERED UP by electromagnetic forces. Considering visible light is a force of the EM spectrum, he would either disperse the energy, making it void; or he would use it to power himself up.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Please tell me where in that scan does it show Reed Richards suffering any ill effects…

No no no. ❌ You haven’t shown a single iota of evidence that suggests what you’re trying to say. FACT: We have proof of Reed Richards and Sue not being affected by the nova attack in the slightest bit. What does this prove? It proves that the attack wasn’t nearly as powerful as Surfer claimed it to be. Sorry guys, you put all the energy into one attack for nothing. 😬

Originally posted by TheKahn
Also on your ignore list is that fact that they were in a [b]"dark" dimension [/B]

Hmm, Silver Surfer said and I quote: “My power cosmic can do whatever I will!”
Yeah, that kind of contradicts what you’re saying, doesn’t it. 😬 Not only that, you’re assuming that the Dark Dimension affected his powers without any proof (again) just so your argument doesn’t look bad.

Originally posted by TheKahn
What can I say? I like covering all the bases.

Covering all the bases? No, it seems more like flawed logic to me. You stuck with one thing, and then you completely changed it right at the end of our debate. 😉

Originally posted by TheKahn
However, if you actually think that either Hal with his personal shield…

Why do you I need proof? Hal is a HUMAN BEING with human physiology. He certainly doesn’t have the reaction speeds of Silver Surfer, and his bubbles take in light, and allow him to see out. He has to actually WILL the bubble to not take in light, however, I’ll give you a break. It really wouldn’t do anything to anybody, except drain Silver Surfer. 😉

Originally posted by TheKahn
Oh, so you've actually shown instances where "classic" Atom…

Hello Mr. Strawman, and how are you feeling today?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Going by the feats I've provided for Hal (such as taking down the entire JLA and ko'ing Mongul while severely injured) and the much more common results of Captain Atom's fights (nearly being beat to death by Mary Marvel and having his ass handed to him by Major Force) it is clear that this was a low showing for Hal and a damn good one for Atom.

Yep, the old “low showing” argument. A classic. However, fact of the matter is that Captain Atom BEAT Hal, and Hal lost.

Then you go and bring up the Mary Marvel and Major Force fights. 😆 Once again, you’re contradicting yourself here. Captain Atom was mind controlled when he fought Mary, and she was going all out. Major Force had to blind Captain Atom via Dr. Spectrum in order for him to win. So both the cases you brought up had outside interference in the fight.

Originally posted by TheKahn
More importantly, you have [b]not proven that Captain Atom… [/B]

Hmm, you haven’t proven…

-that the nova attack would do anything to our team
-that Silver Surfer wouldn’t be drained from the attack
-how Silver Surfer would penetrate his shields
-how Silver Surfer would do all that crap in the first place with Morg attacking him
Etc.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Nah, I think we'll stick to the one we have as you're seeming to have a devil of a time with it. The nova attack is only being used to hid the actions of our team. The fact that it will blind two of your characters is only an added bonus.

Hmm, kinda like how it blinded Reed and Sue….

Hey… What a minute!!!

Originally posted by TheKahn
Magneto:

Yeah, your “smaller than a photon and phasing through his shields” attacks have really broken ground. 🙄 Why exactly would Magneto need to worry about SS with Morg attacking him? You guys have completely ignored him in this fight.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Morg:

Hmm, I’ll leave that to DC.

[Judge's Note]

Originally posted by illadelph12
[Judge's Note]

This post:

[B]We already know that Captain Atom can travel under his own power. Wildstorm Captain Atom is the same Atom, he wasn't even aware of the Void. He said that he had done it in past (before even getting to Wildstorm) and he had been taught to do that. We don't need to provide any more scans when it is already stated on panel that he CAN and HAS done so, without Wildstorm.

and this post:

That is not the same thing and you know it. Atom was not boasting, he was stating a fact.

He can time travel under his own power, and we have proof to that. You, in turn have nothing against it.

Just stating the facts. Batdude will do the same, I think...

by DC were not flagged as non-official posts, and were direct retorts to an opponent's comments in this battle.

I counted them as official posts. [/B]

The 2 above referenced posts by DC were direct retorts to comments made by leonidas and were not marked non-official. DC marked his prior and subsequent non-official posts as such:

Prior:

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
-Not an official post-

Just want to clear up some misconceptions here...

Captain Atom states that "Just a little trick that Quantum boys taught me". This is while Captain Atom was normal. He has been taught how to use his powers to time travel back and forward. He also states "It's been a long time since I've done this", so he's done it before. The comic clearly says that he can timetravel under his own power. Time is part of the Quantum Field.

Subsequent:

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
-Non-official-
I don't like non-officials either, but would take ages to solve a small thing like that otherwise. 😬

We are not solving the fight itself.

Marked non-official by DC.

As it stands now, DC has reached his 9 post quota.

If you've made an appeal to Digi and he states that those 2 post can be marked non-official, so be it. Have Digi post his judgement here in the thread or forward the PM he sent you to me. I'll also PM Digi and have him read over the posts in question before a rushed/misinformed decision is made.

We're trying to enforce the rules fairly for all parties involved here.

[Judge's Side Note]

I apologize if I come across as cold. My apartment was robbed yesterday and I'm not in the best of moods.

Also, I work in the field of law and the lawyer in me comes out in my debating/posting at times.