Jack and lizzie

Originally posted by blackpearl44
Right, he shows that he is proud of her there...that was her true pirate coming out....the pirate that he loves....and he knows he's not going to die, he has the confidence.....because he know that he is Captain Jack Sparrow...and he has gotten himself out of every possible life-threatening situation a person can experience.....so he knows he will live.......

yeah - he's pleased with himself that he's still 'got it' shall we say, and that he managed to make someone who declares herself to be violently in love with will to kiss him.
however - as i hope most of you have probably worked out, keira's kiss was part of her plan to get jack stuck on the ship so that the kraken would take him and not everyone else as well.
and whilst the jack-lizzie chemistry is amazingly inspiring and fun to watch, i don't see it going anywhere for now, ... unless will finally cracks and gets really cross in which case anything could happen. after all, he hasnt confronted her about this yet, i suppose that would make a good arguement which they're saving for the next film.
but half of this is mere speculation, we'll have to wait until the next film girlies (and guys)!!!!!!

Yea, I don't think there is really alot of hope left for the Will/Liz thing....we'll have a better idea when we get more info on the movie.

What I said above looks stupid^^^

I meant he was more attracted to her in that moment then he has been throughout the two films.

^^ Yes. I do agree with that.

yeah totally - but then she was totally coming onto him for most of the film ... so can you blame him??

^^ No, you can't blame him...If you look at those scenes...she is the one doing most of the work...she always approaches him....

but thats what he wants - he's really chuffed that he managed to attract a girl with so little effort ... if only it was that easy in real life eh??

Yeah but any chances they have together was sort of destroyed when Elizabeth cuffed Jack to the Black Pearl to leave him for dead with the Kraken.

But he didn't really find that "insulting" he was kind of proud, and as I said before, he knows he's Jack Sparrow, and he will get himself out of any bad situation he can get himself into. Because he has cheated death plenty of times in his life, and he has done it again at the end of the 2nd movie, going into the 3rd.

They are going to the depths of Hell; the world's end; to save him this time around so I'm pretty sure Jack is dead

no.
i don't think so.

he's pleased with her for being a pirate as someone said earlier. he know's she always had it in her. and he also realises why she did it - to save herself and everyone else, after all, jack had made a deal with davy jones that he couldnt keep, and as they say "you're not gonna be able to talk your way out of this one" ... well thats what im thinking at the moment ... originally i thought jack would get cross that elizabeth had killed him ... but maybe in his eyes the kiss made it worth it.

i don't know anymore .. i was so sure that he wouldn't mind earlier, and now you've put doubt back in my mind again!!! 😄

Originally posted by JohnnyBloom
however - as i hope most of you have probably worked out, keira's kiss was part of her plan to get jack stuck on the ship so that the kraken would take him and not everyone else as well.

The most important thing there is not the actual betrayal its the moments after the betrayal. She goes in as if to kiss him again, If the kiss really meant nothing to her then why go in to kiss him again then pull away?

Actually The first kiss can be viewd in two ways. 1. That she was just faking it to chain him to a ship for the greater good (which means the curiosity conversation they had makes no sense) or 2. The whole Kiss,betrayal,obvious attraction of the scene was her actually giving into the urges that jack said she would give into earlier on in the film. (a selfish act) She wanted to now what it felt like and she clearly liked it judging by the scene.

The scene shows that she is falling in love with the way jack is and behaves towards her. she likes the way jack makes her feel about herself. All confident and such.

He also doesn't show that he is hurt by her actions. He clearly loves the fact she just did that to him. He said she would do it, come over to his side one day and she did. Its what he wanted from her. And she is obviously loving the fact that he called her "pirate" like that. You can see in their faces that they are both giving what the other wants.
Its like:
(in the least sexual way I can put it)
Jack - "ohh you chained me to a ship, I like it! Knew you would give into me"
Liz - "yeh I gave in to you, tell me I'm a pirate..you makin me feel all bad and such, I wanna kiss you again actually"

Yes, I agree with you. and, ESB -1138, Where are you getting "depths of hell"? and I don't think Jack is dead. I don't think he died at the end of the movie. I think he was just taken. because he has to have a grand enterance to the film, like in the first 2 movies. and every scene without Jack, is a disapointment to the audience...as someone said before.

I agree with too^^ . There was never a mention that he was in the depths of hell in the movie was there?

I also actually think she was crying because she felt guilty that she did something selfish to satisfy her own wants and needs. She didnt really have to do that to save the rest, Think back to the begining where the greek men had Jacks hat and the Kracken thought it was Jack. I think the craken just attacks where it THINKS jack is located. So they could have sailed off and the Kraken would have returned and attacked the empty pearl thinking jack was on it. And if that really was for the greater good then why didnt EVERYONE realise this and make jack stay behind? Even Jack may have stayed behind..he was having one of his rare trademark streaks of honesty there.

She didnt do it for the greater good. Judging by the way her character developed throughout the film she did it to satisfy herself just so she could get a thrill from it. I recon she was feeling guilty because of her true intentions when she did it to him.
STIIILLL just a theory though guys 🙂

Yes^^ agreed.

Originally posted by LovelyOne
I agree with too^^ . There was never a mention that he was in the depths of hell in the movie was there?

I also actually think she was crying because she felt guilty that she did something selfish to satisfy her own wants and needs. She didnt really have to do that to save the rest, Think back to the begining where the greek men had Jacks hat and the Kracken thought it was Jack. I think the craken just attacks where it THINKS jack is located. So they could have sailed off and the Kraken would have maybe attacked the empty pearl thinking jack was on it. And if that really was for the greater good then why didnt EVERYONE realise this and make jack stay behind? Even Jack may have stayed behind..he was habing one of his rare trademark streaks of honesty there.

She didnt do it for the greater good. Judging by the way her character developed throughout the film she did it to satisfy herself just so she could get a thrill from it.

STIIILLL just a theory though guys 🙂

Tia said they would have to go off the world to save Jack.

Tia asked them if they would go to the end of the world to save Jack..and they all said yes, she never said that's what they would have to do...

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Tia said they would have to go off the world to save Jack.

I'm not sure they meant it literally

The ends of the earth were still un-discovered back then I think. There were still blanks on the map. I think they maybe meant "beyond the world thats known to them" Some countries were not discovered at that time. Singapore for example. And thats where the next movie is set apparently.

But you may be right it might mean hell.

well, he was definately having a moment of saying goodbye to his ship- the first love of his life- its true he may have stayed behind.
i think jack was actually maybe a bit surprised to be right-- he didnt think liz had it in her to do that- despite the "two peas in a pod" and "I admire a person who's willing to do whatever it takes" from the first film. I think Jack is someone who is accustomed to using his charm and sex appeal to get what he wants or to get out of bad situations, and the fact that he was taken in by that same trick was a bit surprising to him. he just looks incredibly cynical in this one half-second there, before he calls her pirate. because, in my opinion, as much as jack is still a scamp, he has been doing things more and more honorably, and actually upholding bargains and trying to save his friends (as we know from the first one, he wasnt going to leave will on davy's ship- he was just buying time to destroy jones). so if anything, what elizabeth did to him is maybe worse than anything he has done lately. and i do think he feels betrayed by her, betrayed by who she had pretended to be for two films- (when she is going on about her morals, sense of honor, personal hygeine... etc...)
i also do agree that when jack calls her "pirate" it is a compliment of sorts... but almost like, a step beyond just calling anyone a pirate. like, with this act, she has surpassed everyone else's bad deeds and she and jack are like the only two "real" pirates---im not explaining what i mean very well-- just really that jack and liz are SOOOO much alike. Liz is just younger and doesnt know as much as jack.
then, we could get all psychological and say Liz is trying to kill her own pirate nature, when its clear that is who she really wants to be... etc...
basically, that scene is the hottest most amazing scene ever. it should win an acadamy award for hottest, best acted scene.

I think he knew she was going to want to do a selfish act. Maybe not exactly like that because he wasnt expecting the kiss. But Afterall her character had changed alot during the film and he knew it. That whole curiosity conversation showed us that he knew what she really wanted and when she did it he was all smug about it in my opinion anyhoo

EDIT - but yeh I agree with you, He is a scamp but never intends to hurt his friends..he just decides on things spur of the moment to get himself out of trouble. He cares about Will and Liz IMO And yeh I agree with you he is wise in his years at the game of being a pirate..she is just a beginner