Originally posted by golem370
What If he is wearing his suit made by Iron Man? or Spider-Phoenix
In Spider-Man #25, Spider-Man fools around with Excalibur. As everyone knows, Excalibur are a pretty wacky bunch, and nobody is surprised when Spider-Man merges with Phoenix to become... Spider-Phoenix.Hey, maybe we need a list of times that Peter Parker has wielded the Power Cosmic?
Or Iron Spider-Man
If he were wearing his "Iron-Spidey" suit? Well, then he lasts .00001 seconds longer.
Originally posted by golem370
Spider-Man has fought Firelord,Juggernaut,Hulk,Rhino,Sandman,Venom,Carnage and other people superior to Spider-Man in strength toughness and other ways but he been able a few times to hold his own...Study before making a informed decision. I am not saying MM has the majority of the wins but I think he could pull out 1 or 2 wins
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=377889&highlight=Spider-Man+respect+thread+forumid%3A95
Originally posted by Superherovandal
no he can't. none of those guys are nearly as smart or experienced or versatile as MM. and FL is pure PIS. no way Spidey could ever beat a cosmic entity like him.
Golem.
I could waste maybe a couple of minutes and say all the ways in which Jjon could MURDER Peter (without even breaking a sweat), but you'll just think I am hating on you.
Thus I will not.
But you don't need to be psychic to know what I am thinking.
Let me just put it this way - Jjon is one of the most diverse characters in comicdom when it comes to power diversity as well as power intensity.
He has all the basic powers of Superman (eg high-level super strength, super speed, invulnerability, heightened super senses, several types of 'vision'😉, PLUS several other powers that even Supes doesn't have (eg high-order telepathy, high order shapeshifting, phasing, etc).
Yet you put him against Peter Parker!
p.s: You either SERIOUSLY overestimate Marvel characters, or TOTALLY underestimate DC characters.
This is just another example (of many) that illustrates this flaw in your reasoning.
You just matched one of the more powerful members of the JLA against someone with the 'relative powers of a SPIDER!'
Originally posted by spetznazDo you know what's weird? I wouldn't doubt that this was probably intended to be a spite thread in the opposite direction. 😖
Golem.I could waste maybe a couple of minutes and say all the ways in which Jjon could MURDER Peter (without even breaking a sweat), but you'll just think I am hating on you.
Thus I will not.But you don't need to be psychic to know what I am thinking.
Let me just put it this way - Jjon is one of the most diverse characters in comicdom when it comes to power diversity as well as power intensity.
He has all the basic powers of Superman (eg high-level super strength, super speed, invulnerability, heightened super senses, several types of 'vision'😉, PLUS several other powers that even Supes doesn't have (eg high-order telepathy, high order shapeshifting, phasing, etc).Yet you put him against Peter Parker!
p.s: You either SERIOUSLY overestimate Marvel characters, or TOTALLY underestimate DC characters.
This is just another example (of many) that illustrates this flaw in your reasoning.
You just matched one of the more powerful members of the JLA against someone with the 'relative powers of a SPIDER!'
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Do you know what's weird? I wouldn't doubt that this was probably intended to be a spite thread in the opposite direction. 😖
LOL.
You are actually quite possibly correct on that assertion. Probably Golem thought it was a spite thread, but in the opposite direction (as in without the use of the speed blitz Jjon would be totally helpless against Spiderman).
When the truth is that based on strength alone MM could crush Spiderman, together with all the various symbiotes that have popped in and out of continuity.
I honestly do think that Golem thought that this would be an easy win for Spidey, and thus he might have intended it as (as you put it) a 'reverse spite thread.'
Moreover, look at some of his other threads. For instance the ever-occuring type where he pits a single character, or a small group of characters, from the Marvel Universe against the ENTIRE DC universe.
For him to do that implies that he REALLY does believe that any character from Marvel automatically garners thousands of free points that enable them to singlehandedly take on an entire universe.
One thread he did some months back (which I always bring up) pitted some obscure Marvel character (this was when he'd get obscure characters from a certain website that had entire lists comprised of little-known/obscure Marvellites) against the entire DCU.
Now, the HILARIOUS thing is that the character he had put up against the ENTIRE DCU had been defeated in Marvel by TWO characters.
Those characters were:
a) Magik
b) Nightcrawler (yep, the mutant with a forked tail that likes to 'port the day away).
Yet this character was supposed to defeat the ENTIRE DCU.
Hence I think it is VERY plausible that in Golem's mind Marvel characters have some sort of mega-advantage going on for them, which allows them to be able to defeat other characters that are quite simply beyond their pay-grade.
Case in point?
This thread: Spiderman vs the Martian Manhunter.
I say next you will see a thread that has Beast going against WonderWoman.
After all, Beast is hairy, has a very nice shade of blue coloration going for him, and has a hairstyle that is remarkably similar to that of Wolverine.
Furthermore Beast is from Marvel and WonderWoman is from DC (just ignore the fact that WonderWoman could kill Beast in about 450 different ways - simply concentrate on the fact that one is from Marvel, and thus 'will win,' and the other from DC, the poor lass).
Hence you shouldn't be surprised to see such a thread, with the guy actually thinking Beast has a chance.
Originally posted by spetznazp.s: You either SERIOUSLY overestimate Marvel characters, or TOTALLY underestimate DC characters.
This is just another example (of many) that illustrates this flaw in your reasoning. [/U]
Your Marklarts vis-a-vis generic underscoring of DC gladiators ring wise and true.
M.M. eyes him and fries him.
Your talking about Archenemy and you must have not have read the thread but that character beat both Mephisto and Dormamu in there own realm where they are considered close to Omnipatant and beat them easy because he was strong against magic. I suggest you do some reading and see it really took to stop Archenemy.
Originally posted by golem370
Your talking about Archenemy and you must have not have read the thread but that character beat both Mephisto and Dormamu in there own realm where they are considered close to Omnipatant and beat them easy because he was strong against magic. I suggest you do some reading and see it really took to stop Archenemy.
Who gives a shit? Spidey HAS to always win at the end! We all know that!
Originally posted by golem370
Your talking about Archenemy and you must have not have read the thread but that character beat both Mephisto and Dormamu in there own realm where they are considered close to Omnipatant and beat them easy because he was strong against magic. I suggest you do some reading and see it really took to stop Archenemy.
As I've said before, the major issue that you have (from which your Marvel vs DC bias stems from) is that you tend to look at only one aspect in a matchup and ignore any other facet in the mix, no matter how pertinent it might be.
For instance this thread: Spiderman vs Martian Manhunter.
You obviously analyzed the capabilities of Peter Parker, which are quite formidable I might say, and thus thought it would be a good matchup. HOWEVER you totally disregarded the other character (Martian Manhunter) who, even without the use of the speed-blitz and phasing still has a MYRIAD other powers at his disposal, ANY OF WHICH (eg his strength alone, his telepathy alone etc) could destroy Spiderman a hundred times over.
Thus you limit yourself greatly since you take a viewpoint that is extremely myopic - you are only seeing one small fraction of the big picture, and thus end up creating threads that are quite skewed in their nature.
Now, to Arch-Enemy.
Yes, that is the character I was referring to, and you might be surprised to learn that I had actually read up on him (I just couldn't recall his name). And yes, I know what he did to the Demon Lords and how he was a major pain.
However this all comes back to your issue with aspect and myopia!
You looked at how he handled Dormamu and Mephisto (characters that I have to admit are major leaguers in a major league), and from that formed a premise that since he did that to them he would automatically be able to take on the ENTIRE DC UNIVERSE!
Now, what you did not take into consideration is that once his weakness was discovered Magik simply sent Nightcrawler to destroy a computer program and the 'mighty' Archenemy became sword chowder!
You really have to look at the big picture.
Let me give you an example.
Take the disease called Polio.
That thing used to be a major thread to life and health throughout the world, and global pandemics would break out every now and then which would either kill people (but mostly) leave them crippled and living a miserable existence.
Even a Us president was afflicted with it as a child and had to use a wheel chair for most of his life.
Anyways, that disease was a major pestilence (and in some of the more underdeveloped parts of the world it still is, but even there not as bad as it once was).
Anyways, if a person who is not immunised is exposed to it they are afflicted.
However with immunisation the impact of the disease has been totally negated. You get immunised and the disease will not even affect you.
Now, let's say there was a forum that had a 'versus battle' for disease (eg which is worse: Sars or H1N5 bird flu?).
Someone comes up and starts saying how Polio is a devastating disease that can affect the entire world.
How polio is a major disaster waiting to happen.
how polio is the bane of human existence.
How polio will either kill us all or leave us in crutches and wheelchairs.
How polio is a threat to the free world.
How polio is the son of Al Queda.
How polio is the spawn of the devil.
How polio can take on the entire world.
Alright, the person wouldn't be wrong, BUT he also wouldn't be right.
Why?
Because he forgot to mention one minor point - that there are immunizations for polio, and that they are cheap, and that they are widely available and given to most humans when they are children, and that once immunized the threat of polio GOES TO ABSOLUTE ZERO!
In the big picture the threat of polio is less than that of the flu!
Same thing with archenemy.
He took out some very powerful people, but he was stopped by a very weak character once his weakness was discovered.
YOU put him against an ENTIRE universe, which has characters that are more powerful than Dormamu and Mephisto (believe it or not DC does have people more powerful than mephisto, Wolverine, Captain America or whatever Marvel character is supposed to easily defeat 'any' DC character).
An entire universe.
You did not look at the big picture.
What you did is that you only focused on one small component (eg in this thread the fact that Spiderman is, well, Spiderman and has a nice power set; and in the archenemy gig the fact that AE took down some very powerful demon lords), but you totally ignored some even more important factors (eg in this thread the fact that you put spiderman against the MARTIAN MANHUNTER!!!!!!!!!!; and in the AE thread the fact that not only did you match AE and his group against an ENTIRE universe but also the fact that AE as a character had such a dire character flaw that once his weakness was discovered his defeat could be handled by nearly anyone).
What you do is like going to buy a car, and seeing a very nice shiny C6 Corvette, and spending 40,000 bucks on it.
But then realizing that it was just a plastic mockup of a corvette, with no engine or anything - simply a plastic cover that looks like a corvette. You didn't even bother to look inside the car ...all you did was simply see the shiny exterior and get all googly-eyed!
Spiderman is a great character, and he has super-strength, has great reflexes, amazing agility, and has what might be a form of pre-cog (spider-sense).
He is an amazing character.
However next to the Martian Manhunter spiderman is basically absolutely worthless. Spiderman would be absolutely no threat to the Manhunter.
And even look at the responses in this thread: You have people with Spiderman as their sig saying that Spidey loses (and loses BAD). What does that tell you?
AS I said in the other post, you matched one of the stronger members of the JLa against a person with the relative powers of a spider.
Even you can tell that was quite silly.