Originally posted by golem370
Well those people can do what they want. If Batman can go toe to toe with Solomon Grundy or Karate Kid could go toe to toe with PC-Superman then in the realm of DC it wouldn't be to far fetched to believe that Spider-Man could match some what against MM. They make some silly fights
Karate Kid is a walking plot device, Spider-Man is not. And, with the exception of maybe a few occassions, he's never been shown to be.
Originally posted by golem370
Spider-Man took down Firelord who could beat MM in a battle.
Feel free to check the rules on this matter.
Originally posted by golem370
What matter?
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those runs are disregarded.
oh and MM wins easilly 🙂
Originally posted by badabing
Wow, I can't believe this thread went on like this. Even without telepathy, intangibility and speed blitz, Martian Manhunter is a Superman level (or close to) character. Flight, super strength (close to Wonderwoman), invulnerability and shape shifting. Spider-Man is on of my favorites, but this battle is very one sided. 🙁
J'onn mindrapes him.
Or speedblitzes him.
Or turns into some gigantic elaborate shape to squash Spider-man.
Or he heat ("Martian"😉 visions him.
Or he smashes his head in.
Or he BFRs him.
Or he turns intangible and goes inside Spider-man, then proceeds to become tangible again.
etc.....
Spider-man has no chance in hell. 🙂