Batman versus Spiderman(h2h only)

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Again, what I have been trying to say is that even though on paper they will have the same physical stats, Spidey is far more experienced with his abilities than Batman is. He won't be able to do anything efficiently until he's trained extensively in the use of his new powers.

But before he can do that, Spidey will have taken him down, having all the experience necessary to utilize his skills properly.

Batman doesn't even actually have to move around, he can wait for Parker's idiot no leverage move to come, and completely unbalance and exploit, one shot and its over.

We just have different visions. Only mine utilizes severe combat skill and technique and application over Parker, while yours relies on Batman fighting like a dummy. Something he doesn't do.

Originally posted by Juntai
And I'm saying Batman doesn't miscalculate, and has managed well when dealt other even far greater powersets, even gave examples, as he's had speedforce shared with him, used a GL ring first try, amped by Motherbox, etc.

Batman doesn't even actually have to move around, he can wait for Parker's idiot no leverage move to come, and completely unbalance and exploit, one shot and its over.

We just have different visions. Only mine utilizes severe combat skill and technique and application over Parker, while yours relies on Batman fighting like a dummy. Something he doesn't do.

Have you seen the fights between Spider-Man and Venom? Or against Carnage, too? Or even against Morlun?

When he's fighting someone who is all-around physically-superior to him, he fights MUCH different. He doesn't do his bouncing around and such. He fights them pretty straightforwardly, using his honed skills which utilize his powers as efficiently as possible to gain the upper hand in these fights (as well as his intelligence, too, but I digress).

With Batman being close to his equal, he's not going to "bounce around" like he usually does. He would realize this new opponent and fight him with everything he's got, fighting to the very best of his ability.

My vision consists of knowing that Spider-Man is actually a skilled fighter through all of his own personal training and plethora of battles, just not referred to as a "skilled fighter" by martial artists. Batman wouldn't know what to do when confronted with Spidey's fighting style. He's never seen anything like it and wouldn't have anything with which to counter.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, Batman's mimiced or topped most any of Parker's agilitiy feats and without powers.

Don't get carried away. Most of Spider-Man's agility feats are when he's not even trying while Bats has to constantly train to the feats that Spidey can do in his sleep. Bats is NOWHERE near as agile as Spider-Man

This is a spite thread ether way.

With powers it's a spite thread because Parker can just take Brucie boy's head off in a single punch.

Without powers it's an ordinary man with little fighting ability versus a guy trained in more martial arts then humanly possible to learn.

Originally posted by Juntai
Anyways, point is acrobatic fighting style is nothing new to Bruce.
He could match it, especially with the symbiot.

1. Spider-Sense isn't negated.

2. Current Spider-Man in his new costume is considerably more powerful than he once was.

With that you have a different fight on your hand.

Originally posted by Juntai
They're on pretty even ground here.

Originally posted by Juntai
But Bruce is by far the superior fighter.

He doesn't have the experience in moving like Spiderman however, and with Spiderman's upgrades, it makes the match pretty close.

Originally posted by Juntai
Assuming they're still able to actually hurt eachother given durability without superstrength, Batman drops him in one or two moves. Pheonix Eye Manuever, Deadly Vibrating Palm [modified or not], Modified Panther Strike, or a Steel Mountain Punch, could all probably end the fight.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
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Originally posted by Metalmanx
Have you seen the fights between Spider-Man and Venom? Or against Carnage, too? Or even against Morlun?

When he's fighting someone who is all-around physically-superior to him, he fights MUCH different. He doesn't do his bouncing around and such. He fights them pretty straightforwardly, using his honed skills which utilize his powers as efficiently as possible to gain the upper hand in these fights (as well as his intelligence, too, but I digress).

With Batman being close to his equal, he's not going to "bounce around" like he usually does. He would realize this new opponent and fight him with everything he's got, fighting to the very best of his ability.

My vision consists of knowing that Spider-Man is actually a skilled fighter through all of his own personal training and plethora of battles, just not referred to as a "skilled fighter" by martial artists. Batman wouldn't know what to do when confronted with Spidey's fighting style. He's never seen anything like it and wouldn't have anything with which to counter.

Your vision also still relies on Batman fighting like an idiot, read your posts. "Misjudged attacks", "won't be able to do anything efficiently", "won't be able to adjust".

Btw, nice to see you back C Master. 🙂

Originally posted by Juntai
Btw, nice to see you back C Master. 🙂

Originally posted by Juntai
It still consists of punches and kicks from an rather untrained fighter against a person who's physically and mentally a master of combat. Once the hand or foot comes, its countered and Peter's down for the count. "A punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick." - Bruce Lee, from The Tao of Jeet Kune Do. You can go out in New York and find some wild and crazy awesome fighter who's like nothing you've seen... Put him in a ring with Tito Ortiz, see what happens.

Your vision also still relies on Batman fighting like an idiot, read your posts. "Misjudged attacks", "won't be able to do anything efficiently", "won't be able to adjust".

I, too, have read Bruce Lee's "The Tao of Jeet Kune Do", although I admit it's been several years since I have done so.

I only mentioned that Batman would fight that way because he is not experienced with the symbiote. You will never hear me say that Batman will fight like an idiot any other time when there's nothing outside affecting him.

I see Spider-man killing him self with out his strength.Here are some ways 1 jumps to high in the fight (like 3 story's) and can't survive the fall back down,2 tries to jump super high to dodge a punch to the Adams-apple but only can jump like 2-3 feet in the air (because of no super strength),3 he tries to back flip really fast on to a wall then cling to it but brakes his arms-legs in the proses (do to no super strength),4 He some how wins the fight then the starts to web sling away but rips his arm-arms out of its socket (do to no super strength) lets go of the web then falls to his death.also Peter's whole fighting style will be missed up do to it being based on a combination of hi speed reflex's agility spider sense and STRENGTH.He will not know what to do with him self.

Interesting point, but one must remember he cannot jump that high without the strength in the first place.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Interesting point, but one must remember he cannot jump that high without the strength in the first place.

I think in this fight he would notice he has no strength. Ne way as metalmanx pointed out no one is saying that Batman will fight like an idiot. Just saying that his lack of experience with the symbiote and Spidey's volumes of experience with the suit will prove Bruce's undoing

Originally posted by Juntai
I tried to make the point that a lot of his speed and agility and everything would removed with the strength, and the same for Bats in the Symbiot. A lot of his has to do with his leg an arm power propelling him around the room or yanking web to pull him around... They're bothing lacking Web[ as its hand to hand, and their strength...
But some people decided [as the thread creator hasn't specified]they should still have speed and agility and all the other powers that are derivitave from superhuman strength , so I just rolled with it.

Originally posted by Juntai
I tried to make the point that a lot of his speed and agility and everything would removed with the strength, and the same for Bats in the Symbiot. A lot of his has to do with his leg an arm power propelling him around the room or yanking web to pull him around... They're bothing lacking Web[ as its hand to hand, and their strength...
But some people decided [as the thread creator hasn't specified]they should still have speed and agility and all the other powers that are derivitave from superhuman strength , so I just rolled with it.

Any way Batmans 7/10.

Originally posted by Blade Cutter
Any way Batmans 7/10.

Spider-Man 6-7/10.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spider-Man 6-7/10.

spiderman has speed, and strength on batman, the rest is just history, batman could win if he kept very guile about the situation but one wrong move and spiderman has got him down

Originally posted by Blade Cutter
How?It is like me and you fighting and say I'm used to fighting with a sword and it gets taken away and you are used to fight with nothing but are given a metal staff.You may not may not be used to fighting with it but I'm not used to fighting with out a sword and you should be me the hell down with your new found advantage.Peter whole fighting style would be f@cked up with out his super strength.Batman wins 6-7/10.

While you pose an interesting analogy, it's not fool-proof. Sure, some people might be skilled with a random weapon. But sometimes they might not either. And yes, I know Batman is crazy-skilled, but it's really the principle of the matter. We don't really know how he'd fight with this newly-acquired symbiote. I believe it would throw him completely off until he trained with it and got used to it. But hey, that's my personal opinion. I believe the one that's had this power basically his whole life has a huge advantage over someone who just gets it out of the blue. Even a well-trained fighter like Batman.

And I do believe this thread is just a hypothetical what-if. So he still gets all his other powers, regardless of the lack of super-strength. That sad, he still has the ability to take Batman down.

Spidey 6/10.