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To prove God is to destroy the idea of faith, which, in turn, makes religion meaningless.

Why do I believe in God?

1. Certain aspects of evolution require, in my opinion, more faith that they are simply a statistical probability than that some higher power has guided them.

2. I have seen God work in others' lives. I have seen change in a person that one might be inclined to describe as miraculous. I have heard and read testimonies. These lead me to believe that there is one true God, the God of Christianity.

3. I have no reason not to believe. There is nothing that has challenged my beliefs enough to warrant my relinquishing of my faith.

1. This is not really evolution. I dont think you have a good grasp on the concept. Faith is not really needed.

2. I personally havent found any testimony that has been credible. CHanges within people are simply a result of peole feeling powerless, and latching on to somone else as their source of power. They change themseleves...just dont attibute it to themseleves.

3. Faith is taught to people...you didnt wake up on day and suddenly realize that there is a god. YOu prove positives...you should have reasons too believe...not view faith as a default.

Originally posted by FeceMan
To prove God is to destroy the idea of faith, which, in turn, makes religion meaningless.

I have always wondered about this, and I will admit it strikes me as a bit of a cop out.

I have faith in family/friends. This faith is not blind, it is based upon my knowledge of them, and the way they have proved throughout the time I have known them that they are deserving of my faith.

God, apparently, wants me to have faith in him. Yet he, unlike the afore mentioned friends and family, expects it without really giving me knowledge of him, nor reason why he deserves my faith. Arrogant? Perhaps, but I don't think it is to much to ask, especially when some of the things and attitudes expected, by way of the Bible, strike me as wrong (or if not wrong then needing explanation as to why they should be believed.)

After all, God has apparently proving himself to people before. OT he couldn't keep away from the world. But suddenly it turns into a mental test that runs in a circle - ...have faith in God, though there is no proof, as proof destroys faith, and without faith you can't have faith in God....

Originally posted by Alliance
1. This is not really evolution. I dont think you have a good grasp on the concept. Faith is not really needed.

In the OT, there was no way for anyone to really know of God aside from miracles/wonders/what-have-yous. In the NT, there was Jesus. Now, we have the Bible.

If you think about it, if there were no god, as an atheist would see it, then there would be no reason to fear death what so ever. Because when you die, you would not have consciousness, so there is nothing to fear about death, you would have no sense of "self existance". For me, it is a better existance than heaven and hell.

Mayn devout Chistians would say the same thing (no fear in death)...because they are so confident thay are going to some magical place.

Whereas my belief is that there is no evil or magical place.

Originally posted by The thinker
Whereas my belief is that there is no evil or magical place.

If there is no evil, there is no good. 😛

There just is.

Originally posted by Alliance
There just is.

Can you prove that?

Why do you need me to?

Originally posted by Alliance
Why do you need me to?

Because your post made no sense to me, so I decided to give you a bad time.

argh.

Originally posted by FeceMan
To prove God is to destroy the idea of faith, which, in turn, makes religion meaningless.

Why do I believe in God?

1. Certain aspects of evolution require, in my opinion, more faith that they are simply a statistical probability than that some higher power has guided them.

2. I have seen God work in others' lives. I have seen change in a person that one might be inclined to describe as miraculous. I have heard and read testimonies. These lead me to believe that there is one true God, the God of Christianity.

3. I have no reason not to believe. There is nothing that has challenged my beliefs enough to warrant my relinquishing of my faith.