Kinda Undeterminable
I hope nobody actually gets worked up over this forum. It compares an RTS to a FPS.
Everybody's talking about the elements of the Starcraft team in the RTS environment; they have to build, up, need minerals etc. But, does each team start out with an economy? How does Covenant go about building their massive ships and supplying their troops?
No superweapons allowed. No nukes, MAC guns, planet glassing, Carrier-based superweapons, epic-scale psi storms (ie time of Adun), etc.
I think this forum was intended to be taken simply. Units that exist already fighting it out, and in that case, I'd give it to the Starcraft team hands-down.
Everything in Starcraft is BIGGER: can a Terran Marine really even be challenged by UNSC Marines? If you, as MC, had to fight the pissiest units of the Terran arsenal, you'd be gunned down! Gauss rifles are made to penetrate Zerg carapace; they'd shoot clean through any soft-skinned Flood.
Or Firebats? Seriously?! If the flamethrower in Halo CE is doubled and added to an armored suit, then a dozen Firebats and Marines can take an infinite number of FLood and any soldiers the Covenant can throw (save cloaked Elites maybe)
In order for the Flood to actually reproduce, they need to KILL something! They cannot take on the Zerg, A small pack of dog-sized, carapaced Zerglings would run right through the pathetic flood. A 12-foot Hydralisk is something you never fight in Halo, and thank God. The smallest Zergs are like the worst Flood you encounter. Never mind an Utralisk or an ARCHON. Archons in Halo......
If people want to make this realistic, then take everything into account, including the fact that Terran units are RTS-balanced and, in real life, obviously Siege Tanks would have point defenses, and Halo aircraft are made slower than they'd actually be to make them shootable (don't consider the Banshee to be the epitome of Covenant atmospheric flight, or we were more advanced in the early 1900s than the Covenant)
etc etc etc.
If I had to pick a side, in keeping with what I think the forum intends as a simplified environment for combat (minus economy, politics, superweapons etc),my vote overall is that Starcraft team wins, even if adding the flood. If counting all numbers, the Zerg bring their billions and they alone could probably swamp everything under, even the massive powerful ships of Halo.
Unless Gravemind can arm-wrestle the Overmind into submission....
Re: Kinda Undeterminable
Originally posted by Goomba
Gauss rifles are made to penetrate Zerg carapace; they'd shoot clean through any soft-skinned Flood.
And the depleted uranium spikes used in the Gauss rifles are meant to penetrate Terran armor, attested to by both Jim Raynor and Lt. Breanne in the first SC novel.
Originally posted by Goomba
Or Firebats? Seriously?! If the flamethrower in Halo CE is doubled and added to an armored suit, then a dozen Firebats and Marines can take an infinite number of FLood and any soldiers the Covenant can throw (save cloaked Elites maybe)
Originally posted by Goomba
A small pack of dog-sized, carapaced Zerglings would run right through the pathetic flood. A 12-foot Hydralisk is something you never fight in Halo, and thank God. The smallest Zergs are like the worst Flood you encounter.
Also, Flood don't need to "kill" in order to reproduce. They simply require a calcium-rich source, according to 343 GS.
A single blow from a Combat form Flood tentacle was enough to throw the Master Chief (half a ton of man and armor) against the wall, making a sizeable dent in the bulkhead in the process. A hydralisk is even weaker to take down than an Elite toting a needler, for Chrissake. Look at the way Zeratul owned them in the SC2 teaser - now imagine a swordsman Elite in his place.
The Flood at ground level seem weak, but they're technically more infestatious than the zerg. As the Ship Master whatshisface put it: "A single Flood spore can defeat a species." A lieutanent basically committed suicide and in the process killed her entire crew rather than to allow a potentially Flood-infested ship return to earth. A single Flood ship lands at a single city and the Ship Master glassed an entire continent - "Were it not for the Arbiter's counsel, I would have glassed your entire planet!
And basically Gravemind IS the overmind of the Flood - he's just smarter. He almost managed to corrupt Cortana - a super advanced "smart" AI and decieved his sworn enemies into briefly serving as his puppets, consciously. Overmind requires his servants to be bound to him telepathically in order to stay subservient. Look at Kerrigan. Look at what happens to rampant Zerg in the first mission.
Also, have you even thought about what calamity it would mean for the Zerg if some of their DNA genomes got stolen by the Flood and altered? It's not even difficult. A single infection form Flood was able to slice through Chief's suit with a tentacle and punch its way down to his spine in a second. Only Cortana's action saved his life.
It's so terribly easy for the Flood to turn the favour, they can eventually overwhelm a group of Hydralisks and take them over and modify them to their own needs - the little things can just swarm up an ultralisk's legs. GG ultralisk, hope you enjoy being used as a weapon against your own kind.
i dont care if i did not read the big fat forum i know what i need to know.
you darkC are being the childish one and now your goning to say your blah blah blah but face it alot of starcraft ships are good at being near the ground when halo only gets what some pelicans? the flood is not invcisble and blax said covenet and unsc or humans not the flood and the flood would tear aport its own team mates it has no loyaty or brain all it does is "me turn wheel. wheel turn ship" and "me go bang with bang stick" and thats why the flood would die.
gonna say sc. First of all Protoss are far more technically advanced and evolved than the covenant. If terran ships can stand up to protoss ships in a ship to ship fight (bc's are better 1v1 than carriers if both are fully upped) they can definitely stand up to covenant ships. Yamato gun is a freakin laser that is so strong that when it hits something it destabalizes the atoms of whatever it hits enough to cause a nuclear reaction which pwns any rail gun or plasma weapon the Covenant or UNSC can throw at them. Also zerg are essentially flood which we already know pwned the Forerunners and they couldn't even spawn their own ships they had to commandeer them the zerg do spawn their own ships. enough said on ships. Next each protoss is essentially an elite. Also Dragoons weapons are designed to be anti vehicle and anti aircraft gunsupport as well as anti infantry no duh they'd wipe out a rine in 1 or two shots. Go watch SC cutscenes. Dragoons are the size of small tanks of course their guns are going to incinerate rines. I'd put them at hunter equivilants. Next how are the UNSC and Covenant going to deal with an archon smashing its way through with mind bullets. Also Dark Archon MC SPARTAN = OH ****. Next all rines in SC have suits of power armor read Speed of Darkness a concern is surviving a nuclear blast in powered suits causing joints to weld together = slow death. Beats any body armor UNSC rines have and dont get me started on grunts and jackals by comparison. Finally ground vehicles. Excuse me if I'm wrong but the terrans have anti-grav technology for their vultures which puts them ahead of UNSC counterparts and Toss goons = ghosts and spectres. Sorry but Halo verse needs an extra 200-300 years to catch up to SC universe.
To do this right, I'd need to know approximately how many ships the Terran, Protoss and Zerg have. I have many arguments to show easy Halo supremacy. All radars have a height they operate at. Any Observer in StarCraft would have to operate by that standard. Thus, cloaked units would not be detected by Observers. Terran cannot crouch well because of the bulky armor. The Covenant have amassed billions, and because of that, when there are no wars going on they have major problems with population. They have just about endless armies. The space faring units of the Protoss and Terran are both able to be taken down by a few land based missile platforms. Though this could cripple a UNSC ship in enough time, they would do nothing to shields. All ships big enough to need a bridge crew are not playable units in Halo Wars because they would be way too powerful. A Scarab or Vulture is just about the equivalent. Please, Halo wins by a long shot. With the Flood, they'd just own even more. The flood has amassed much more than anything else, "A single Flood spore can destroy an entire planet!"