The Antithesis of Ragnos Owns All

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why would comparing it to another version be senseless? Palpatine is still quite the powerhousen by the OT, or even ROTS given his ability to square off with Yoda...hell, Dan cited his ability to take Yoda on as a point in his favor as the strongest.

Wasn't Joruus just a normal clone? It was force sensitive because of the original Jorus...and Palpatine didn't 'fight' Brand...he beat him in a single blast. I'm saying both Tavion and Brand diedshortly after their possession, and Brand was also killed by the corruption brought about by Palpatine's spirit.

I'm just bringing up the idea that the energy needed to call Ragnos back is related to ragnos's age rather than power.

Ok, there is NO proof that vision of a millenia past was thanks to Ragnos and not from the amulets-which summoned him and the Sith Lords...and Ragnos was not the only Sith present,

Ragnos was already back before Tavion summoned him apparently..why wouldn't the scepter boost him? If it was 'calling him back', Ragnos would've been ressurected in body as well as spirit.

Ok, before Nihilius, when force Drain common knowledge to the Jedi? Since according to the DSB, the Power of the Jedi and Vader: The ultimate guide if memory serves, the Jedi developed techniques to block formely unblockable Sith techniques...add that to that we know Yoda developed or learned defenses against all of the Dark Side powers...And I'm sorry, Nai, but Kun's brotherhood saw very little action...yes, they appeared over Yavin and directed their powers, but if memory serves not a single Jedi went to the surface and actually battled Kun's servants and creatures...that's the closest most got to actually fighting Sith until the Teta fight at least.

You got another way to destroy a spirit? The thing is, he never used it against a fully accomplished Jedi master like Yoda or Mace or a Sith Lord like Sadow or Sidious...if he fired a blast at Sadow, I really doubt it'd kill Sadow...and considering Sidious is able to fire beams from his hands that rip holes in people in his weakest state...

Are we that without tavion spedning who knows how long gathering up energy, that scepter is nnot as powerful? And even if we never see Palpatine using his artifacts, we know he has them and can use them in battle. If he's allowed that scepter, then we're going to allow Palpatine everything he wants as well, including the numerous deadly sith items he has, and there's the fact Palpatine can instantly reach out into the force and kill ragnos with his instakill.

And besides, what is Ragnos going to do with the scepter? It takes some time to absorb the force and the blasts aren't exactly fatal...not to mention Ragnos casually discards the scepter in favor of his sword. And never mind how fragile that damn scepter is

I'm sorry, the scepter is fragile? Since when? Because it blew up in Jedi Academy? Do you have ANY idea why it blew up? And don't start with the ignorance, there is plenty of proof as to why Ragnos was summoned, because he was THE Dark Lord as I've repeatedly told you. Now again with the ambiguous and arbitrary text... "They developed techniques to block previously unblockable force techniques". Like what? Hmm? Unfortunately that tells us absolutely nothing..

It certainly shows more proof than you can provide. Moreover, it blew up when hit with a LIGHTSABER, that mean anything to you?

And perhaps you didn't notice, but...Ragnos was NOT the only Dark Lord there

Actually I've provided proof, Nai's provided proof, you've provided stupidity and excuses. And has it occured to you that the scepter blew up as soon as Tavion was beat and Ragnos left her body in rage? Of course not that's too convenient. And perhaps you fail to comprehend the concept of "THE Dark Lord". Notice the capitalization of THE.

Actually it was before Ragnos left her body.

And your point is what? This's been debated before: It referred to Ancient Empire, big deal...Ruin, Palpatine, Kun, Kaan and Bane accomplished more for the Sith than Ragnos ever did. I quote Dan Wallace: Perhaps he was THE Dark Lord back then...things change

Ah the typical "it's been debated before". Meaning you have nothing to add. And yet another stupid point about Bane accomplishing more than Ragnos. What does that matter? How does that have ANYTHING to do with what we're talking about? Oh wait it doesn't, just another attempt to show your hatred for TOTJ and the GAOTS comics.. It's too apparent...

How is Ragnos THE dark Lord when he didn't do a thing for the Empire? I'd take the guy who exterminated the Jedi or established a millenia long Sith Empire as more of the THE Dark Lord....Hell, I'd call Adas far greater than any Sith of the Ancient Empire

I'm glad YOU'd take X over Y, unfortunately your opinion and hatred for TOTJ doesn't matter. Being THE Dark Lord has nothing to do with accomplishments, and more to do with power... Sorry lightsnake.

Erm...ok. How? Considering in terms of greatness, Raggy isn't very high up.

This is an assumption from you, plain and simple, quoting Dan:
"Maybe five thousand years ago. Things change."

Ambiguous quotes not even part of the actual comic ftw!

Wrong.. Power=Dark Lord.. And "THE Dark Lord" isn't ambiguous just because you say it is, because it doesn't agree with your argument, sorry lightsnake try harder. And the fact that you put Dan's quote completely out of context shows how desperate you are..

Prove it. THE Dark Lord can refer to lots of things. And you miss the key word: He WAS the Dark Lord...notice the 'was'? Notice the quotes are in context meaning it's 5000 years before anything else, not taking later generations into consideration?

And...out of context? The quote in response to what I asked about ragnos:
"Maybe he was the greatest and strongest five thousand years back...things could change in five thousand years."

That's justifying his stance on Sidious=most powerful.

When the argument is lost, Lightsnake refers back to the "prove it" phrase. He was referred to as THE Dark Lord by narration, no proof needed. And the fact that he had the last word on Nadd, on Nadd's initiation of Kun, on Kun being the DLOTS. Enough proof there. And nothing justifies Sidious being the most powerful, get your head out of your ass.

On Nadd? Where? Where'd he have the last word on Kun with Nadd?

Oh, the NEC, Dark Empire sourcebook...Sidious knowing everything and Veitch confirming that....yep, that justifies it more than your whiny little 'BUT HE WAS THE DARK LORD!' crap.

Sorry, butn that was 5000 years ago

Sorry but you're a little whiney child who can't accept facts.. I'm done with you you're too easy.

By all means, be done. You've said that before

Yea but you don't shut up and i'm tired of seeing your arguments destroyed and then having you cry about it.

You're free to leave the forum then.

do you have any idea how much the Antediluvians get a kick out of you?

Do you have any idea how much you lie to yourself, how nobody has ever backed you up, and how you come up with the most ridiculous nonsense just to know you can sleep at night. I do enjoy however your random "nobody likes you" nonsense, as it gives people something to laugh at.

Can't someone just admit they know a little less than the other when it comes to a fictional science-fiction franchise, personal insults are too far.

[note: don't use that quote in your argument, its an observation of forum posters, if you do there will be personal retribution on my behalf] 😉

You mean like how Nai didn't support me in the big three team vs. threads, right?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
how nobody has ever backed you up, and how you come up with the most ridiculous nonsense

What? I've backed Lightsnake up on several occasions (granted it was a month ago since I just returned from a trip), and he actually does provide a lot of logically sound arguments and facts. Now, he didn't used to lol. 😆 But that was like a year ago, since then he's done a great job on his debates. I mean really, I get a lot of my post-ROTJ knowledge from him; plus, on a personal level he's very cool. 😉

And Nai - great job on that response.