That's because as a whole Ancients are nothing special.
If I may remind you, exar is stilled produced by the Jedi Order...it doesn't matter what he became: The Jedi Order produced him.
We know Kun was the darkest power in the galaxy at that point...Yoda's still the strongest Jedi master up until the PT. And force lightning has different levels and ONLY the strongest of the Jedi masters are capable of deflecting lightning with their bare hands.
Why would Exar let it come to a duel? I think it was more like two anyways...however, comics are inconclusive to how long duels go on.
How do you know Exar's stronger than the Sith of the 'stronger' era? we just know he was the strongest of his time. We have no idea if he's stronger than Plagueis. And KJA doesn't seem to think Exar is stronger than Sidious. He said if they were to fight, we might find out who the strongest Sith is. LFL's position on the matter is thus far, mum, so I only managed to get KJA and Veitch's opinion nd next to Sidious and the true powers of the Sith, Veitch said Kun was an adept with a big ego
Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's because as a whole Ancients are nothing special.
Nonetheless, the point basically was Thon killing a mystery man doesn't make him a top competitor for being the strongest Jedi of the era, nor in the same league as Kun.
If I may remind you, exar is stilled produced by the Jedi Order...it doesn't matter what he became: The Jedi Order produced him.
What writing is that said in? That's he's the best ever "produced"?
And really, he was a padawan when he left, he followed about zero of the Jedi ways - I'd hardly say they "produced" Exar Kun. The Ancient Sith teachings turned Kun into a "formidable student" to the strongest of the era.
We know Kun was the darkest power in the galaxy at that point...Yoda's still the strongest Jedi master up until the PT.
Yeah...
And force lightning has different levels and ONLY the strongest of the Jedi masters are capable of deflecting lightning with their bare hands.
Considering Yoda is the strongest Jedi Master up the the Prequels, then it makes sense. However, I've yet to hear of the strongest Jedi Masters being able to stop amulet blasts - created by the Force, powered by rage - that tear through temple walls with their bare hands.
Why would Exar let it come to a duel?
Yeah, I guess he could just replace Yoda's body with debris using those fine amulets of Sadow's.
I think it was more like two anyways...however, comics are inconclusive to how long duels go on.
Yeah (it was one and a half really), but you're right - and it doesn't matter anyways.
How do you know Exar's stronger than the Sith of the 'stronger' era?
Because the only real competitor is Sidious. Dooku was bested by Anakin, and Anakin - well, Sidious > ROTS Anakin.
we just know he was the strongest of his time. We have no idea if he's stronger than Plagueis.
Yeah, but Plagueis isn't a factor considering we know 2.3% of his life story.
And KJA doesn't seem to think Exar is stronger than Sidious. He said if they were to fight, we might find out who the strongest Sith is.
A neutral stand point, nothing wrong with that.
LFL's position on the matter is thus far, mum, so I only managed to get KJA and Veitch's opinion nd next to Sidious and the true powers of the Sith, Veitch said Kun was an adept with a big ego
And all it's just an opinion as you said, as valid as mine.
Lightsnake, you can give all the sources in the world, all the bullshit all the opinions, and at the very end it'll take 1 amulet blast to disintegrate Yoda. Unless of course you're going to tell us Yoda can deflect it and/or defeat Kun in lightsaber battle in which I will respond with "you're insane".
Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's because as a whole Ancients are nothing special.We know Kun was the darkest power in the galaxy at that point...Yoda's still the strongest Jedi master up until the PT. And force lightning has different levels and ONLY the strongest of the Jedi masters are capable of deflecting lightning with their bare hands.
Just one thing I want to point out to further prove my point..
So let me get this straight lightsnake. Force lightning has different levels but Force Drain doesn't? Or is it possible that you spew out whatever nonsense you can to help your argument, no matter how ridiculous it seems. I don't call myself a master debator but I know when I'm beat, you apparently live in denial and produce outrageous quotes/statements, ambiguous text, childish demeanor, and just straight up ridicule... Come on lightsnake seriously.
Exar was hardly a padawan, to the best evidence, he was a knight.
And the one Thon killed wiped out all life om Abria...and Thon knew even taught the assembled Jedi Masters techniques they didn't know, he's certainly up there...and I believe it said Yoda was the best the Order produced in Power of the Jedi, I'm at college so I don't have the materials on me
And we've never seen those amulets truly put to the test...against Jedi masters with experience with Sith items-Yoda participated in the fight against the Bpfasshi, some members of Bane's order that surfaced, Kibh Jeen, Karkko apparently, and possibly Bane or Zannah....Notice Kun never uses those amulets on a Jedi master.
We also don't know if Kun would be capable of beating Bane or numerous other Sith of Bane's order considering how little we know about them.
Yes, but it is the opinion of the guys who wrote the stories...official? No, but it should carry weight.
#1. Show me the opinion, it is NOT in your email.
#2. We know that aside from the ancient sith and Palpatine that he was perhaps the most powerful sith ever.
#3. Stop putting in random characters to diminish Exar Kun.
#4. Exar Kun>>>>>>Yoda.. This is fact ans has been proven.
#5. I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to geico.
This is so "funny" I don't know if I should laugh at it.
a)
In a sheer force contest Yoda would limit himself to "defensive" force use as we have already seen when he duelled his "worst enemy". I don't see him using any "aggressive" force techniques - some force TK at max. Nothing that would be really dangerous for Kun. Even if he does - we've already seen Kun simply resisting a wall of light attack by Odan Urr.
b)
Kun's amulets will most likely work. The question is if he would use them fighting another Jedi Master (which is debateable) and if Yoda would be able to block the blasts.
Well...I, personally, don't think that Kun would use them for the single reason that he prefers duelling "worthy" opponents with his lightsaber. But let's assume he does. I don't know if Yoda can simply deflect those blasts (but I'll doubt it since a casual blasts of energy from a similar amulet was enough to floor Nomi Sunrider who was possibly the most gifted force user of her time). On the other hand I doubt that one of that blasts would kill Yoda and he's fast enough to dodge the beams if needed. So we can pretty much ignore the amulets.
c)
In a lightsaber confrontation it's getting tricky. Kun is perhabs the best lightsaber duellist the Sith ever had (except Tulak Hord), equipped with a unique weapon and a unique style. On the other hand you have Yoda who is capable of dodging lightsaber attacks from three different opponents (one of them a Vaapad master) at once as seen in "ShadowHunter".
Conclusion:
Really. I don't see anybody "pwning" the other in this fight. If somebody wins I'd say Kun because he might surprise Yoda with some amulet blast or finally outduel him because (I guess) Yoda would get tired faster because of his age and the fact that he uses a fighting style which requires tons of energy. On the other hand Yoda might also surprise Kun with his agility (most people tend to underestimate Yoda) and force strength. I don't know. But saying "Kun pwns Yoda" is pretty much stupid. Sorry...
It's doubtful Yoda will grow tired...Yoda can keep himself going for quite some time.
As for an amulet, there's still no proof it'd work, given that Yoda is the strongest jedi master ever, and Sith amulets became very widespread with the NEw Sith Empire, it's probable Jedi had to increase their defensive abilities. Yoda would limit himself to defensive, no doubt, but if he truly had to, I doubt something would stop him from using Malacia or Morichro...and Yoda is also easily one of the best Jedi swordsman, if not the best besides Luke.
And before anyone knocks Yoda's TK, the guy is able to lift Mace Windu, while deflecting a blaster beam while hurling a Yinchorri into a wall with enough force to kill him. As for Yoda's Ataru, unlike most of Kun's other opponents that we've seen, he's probably more agile and overwhelming...Yoda's more 'in your face' and when it comes to Ataru, he's able to keep himself going until the fight actually ends...taking out an army of droids must take some time for example
More bullshit text lightsnake, again your argument consists of "this guy is the strongest ever so your logic doesn't work". Again, welcome to the world of versus forums. And yet another typical example of retarded hyperbole. What is Yoda's ability to take out droids going to do against a powerful DLOTS? Nothing. I tend to agree with Borbarad, it might not be a pwnage but there's almost no chance of Yoda winning. Sorry lightsnake.