Exar Kun vs. Yoda

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Okay, so does that mean Yoda can't block blaster beams?

And Kun would have to step back and ready the blast and fire...leaving himself WIDE open to a flowing water cut

What? We've seen Sidious use attacks on Yoda, we've even seen him use Force lightning on Yoda at point blank range. Also, it would leave the question of how Dooku can somehow manage to tear down the crane using the Force while he had Yoda in a saberlock.

Ever think there's a REASON Kun never used energy blasts on Jedi masters?

And...

and he had three opportunities to do so

Response to both:

Maybe because he's never actually had any reason to use them? Let's see: he fought Ulic (possibly Ulic's amulet provided a defense for the attack), and add to the fact it was interrupted anyways. He fought Vodo, who he was apparently trying to convert (what good would some debris be to Kun?), and to me - he was toying with him anyways because Vodo was clearly out of his league. Then you have Odan. Good ol' Odan Urr who died with a flick of the wrist.

Now which opponents caused Kun that much of a threat that he would literally need to cremate them using the blasts? Oh and Ood, who Kun already said "we have no time" yada-yada, and would risk destroying the objects he was after anyways.

You could say his "finale" against all the Jedi in the galaxy. But really, what good would blasts - even of that magnitude - do against thousands upon thousands of Force using Jedi?

Hi common sense, meet Lightsnake.

Considering Ulic was MATCHING him...And arrogant as Kun is, if you've got an attack with a hundred percent attack rate...and last time I check, Dooku uses a fencing style, along with the fact he was losing to Yoda and needed to get away...and last time I checked, Yoda blocked that lightning

And Kun is hardly alone on that planet...he had the Massasi RACE-millions, plus all his alchemical creations...Terentateks included.

Oh, and yes....RISK destroying the objects, or leave them forever, sounds like such a hard choice...

Now you're going to put arrogance into this argument? You've just made 3 useless excuses to attempt to diminish Kun.. Kudos Lightsnake.

Do you EVER shut up?

Do you ever win an argument and ever proof that you're not a stupid antisocial child?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Considering Ulic was MATCHING him...

The amulets could provide a possible defense for each other, and also like I said the fight was interrupted after a page.

And arrogant as Kun is, if you've got an attack with a hundred percent attack rate...

His arrogance might be a factor for your side. Considering he's confident enough in his own skill to face enemies head on.

Thinking about it I'd probably agree with Nai and yourself on the matter of Kun using it or possibly not. Like, he has the possibility of using it, but it doesn't necessarily mean he will. Though I'd figure if Yoda would be a huge threat to him (and he would be) then he just might actually use it.

and last time I check, Dooku uses a fencing style, along with the fact he was losing to Yoda and needed to get away...

What does a fencing style have to do with engaging in a saberlock?? And along with the fact that he at least held it and was still able to muster up the power to drop the crane and get away tells me it's very possible for Kun - if he uses his amulet - to get a viable shot in at Yoda without being terminated.

and last time I checked, Yoda blocked that lightning

When they first encountered in Palpatine's office, I remember Yoda being on the floor. Granted, they weren't dueling, but that's not what I was talking about. When Yoda pops up on the Senate pod, Sidious' lightning disarms Yoda's lightsaber. Yoda then moves to blocking it with his hands I guess. And Sadow's amulets produce blasts that are far more destructive than Sidious' lightning.

And Kun is hardly alone on that planet...he had the Massasi RACE-millions, plus all his alchemical creations...Terentateks included.

Millions? Millions? I guess that's why the narration only says "thousands":

Yes, I'm sure the primitive Massassi would fair well against every of Jedi in the galaxy.

Oh, and yes....RISK destroying the objects, or leave them forever, sounds like such a hard choice...

Lightsnake, the risk of losing the lightsabers was a simple additon to the main point that Exar Kun even acknowledges that he doesn't necessarily need them. Plus when there's about to be a planetary supernova on the way - who gives a damn about some artifacts?

The amulets didn't even start glowing until the saber duel and how would Kun even know?

Dooku was confident, too...remember how that turned out?

As I recall, Dooku and Yoda were not struggling at that point in time and Dooku was about to break away anyways. When Kun saber locks, he tends to use both hands and a blast like that point blank? He'd kill himself.

Okay, thousands...plus the Brotherhood, the two-headed avians, battle hydras, terentateks..plus Kun himself

I recall Yoda getting up and putting Sidious back on the floor himself. And it's debatable if Yoda was truly hurt or playing possum.

Okay, we missing Kun was an arrogant SOB? He just let Ood get away with beating him. To blast Ood would've taken seconds.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The amulets didn't even start glowing until the saber duel and how would Kun even know?

Dooku was confident, too...remember how that turned out?

As I recall, Dooku and Yoda were not struggling at that point in time and Dooku was about to break away anyways. When Kun saber locks, he tends to use both hands and a blast like that point blank? He'd kill himself.

Okay, thousands...plus the Brotherhood, the two-headed avians, battle hydras, terentateks..plus Kun himself

I recall Yoda getting up and putting Sidious back on the floor himself. And it's debatable if Yoda was truly hurt or playing possum.

Okay, we missing Kun was an arrogant SOB? He just let Ood get away with beating him. To blast Ood would've taken seconds.

The amulets didn't start glowing blah blah blah excuses, what does it matter exactly? Dooku being confident has nothing to do with this case unless of course everybody that you think is confident that isn't name Luke or Sidou,s will lose. About Kun killing himself, yet another ridiculous interpretation in your favor. And it's not debateable whether Yoda was playing hurt or not, it's fact as it is shown, just because you don't want to believe it because it proves nothing for your case, doesn't mean its not true... And again, if youre going to use your stupid Kun can use his amulet once logic, I can do the same thing for Luke and Sidious.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The amulets didn't even start glowing until the saber duel and how would Kun even know?

Nadd perhaps? Reading through Sadow's scrolls? And what does the amulets glowing have to do with anything?? They only started glowing because of Ragnos' forthcoming.

Dooku was confident, too...remember how that turned out?

Yes, I remember seeing Christopher Lee's ugly mug rolling on the ground. Do you remember who killed the guy who claimed to be "more powerful than any Jedi"? I think his name is Anakin Skywalker, the arrogant and supremely confident little bastard that we know and love. 😍

As I recall, Dooku and Yoda were not struggling at that point in time

So, instead of actually capturing/killing/disarming Dooku - he lets him walk away. They were in the middle of a battle, and Dooku was locked with Yoda using only one hand yet Yoda didn't capitalize. Surprising...

and Dooku was about to break away anyways.

True, true; although they were locked for a solid eleven seconds. Four seconds of which Dooku was left only using one hand to hold Yoda off.

When Kun saber locks, he tends to use both hands and a blast like that point blank? He'd kill himself.

Why?

First though, just a quick scenario: Kun could just produce the blast he used on Aleema (which only rendered her unconscious - probably would have less of an affect on Yoda, but whatever), and then blow Yoda back to Sesame Street using the same blasts he used on the Wyrm.

Anyways, let's look at DLOTS:

That's pretty point blank to me. He doesn't even look more than five, maybe six feet away. He's even holding on to the Wyrm at one point with a blast ready in his hand.

Okay, thousands...plus the Brotherhood, the two-headed avians, battle hydras, terentateks..plus Kun himself

Versus: thousands upon thousands of Jedi. The combined might of all the Jedi in the galaxy. Kun knew he was beaten, and Kun - I'd say - knows what would've happened. Or rather what did happen. The Jedi used that little "wall of light" which basically was said to have "triggered a terrible destruction in its wake" that nothing can survive.

I recall Yoda getting up and putting Sidious back on the floor himself. And it's debatable if Yoda was truly hurt or playing possum.

Very debatable. Nonetheless, replace Force push with a finely place amulet blast that tears through rock - and you might have a different situation.

Okay, we missing Kun was an arrogant SOB?

Lol, no. I already acknowledged that.

He just let Ood get away with beating him. To blast Ood would've taken seconds.

So? Are you really going to tell me that Kun is so vengeful that he's going to waste even a few seconds when there's a supernova on the way? A point to easily counter that would be his actions at the Senate, letting Massassi deal with Sylvar - the one who gave him that pretty little scar.

Anyways, I'll just give you an explanation in Kun's own words: "We have little time to take it all for ourselves." - Exar Kun before he even meets with Ood.

Now, for the real counter: "He'll be trapped here when the conflagration hits. It would have been better for Ood if he'd just surrendered those lightsabers." - Exar Kun implying that it's a more destructive death, and that he could care less.

Indeed, good points.

Exar wins.

You really think Nadd'd mention something like that to Kun? All Kun knew was Ulic had another amulet...if he used even the basics of Sith magic, he'd have finished Ulic.

Dooku's style focuses on generally using one hand, that's why he uses Makashi...Yoda decided saving his fellows was more important than finishing Dooku...you might say the same about Mace not killing Dooku when he had the chance...both Mace and Yoda regretted their choices...

The difference is that blast is going to go through the worm's throat...he won't be airborne when blasting Yoda, that blast'll detonate into the ground how far away from him?

And those Jedi who're OUTNUMBERED with all of Kun's sith knowledge, his mutant Massassi, NORMAL Massassi, Kun himself plus Terentateks, one of which is a match for squads of Jedi...and surprisingly, there were survivors on Yavin, Kun's alchemical creatures more're less

And once again: There's no proof-zero-that Kun's amulets will be able to kill Yoda and that he cannot counter or deflect them...if the eJedi were wiping out the Sith, there was combat involved...if it were so easy that the Sith could mount up waves of Kissai blasting amulets...I really doubt that thing is 100 percent infallible.

Nai himself even said that the blast probably won't kill Yoda on impact even if it did hit...we can proceed to repeat the Sidious fight.

And Kun had plenty of time to leave Ossues, it'd take SECONDS to blast Ood. He might evemn have still gotten the lightsabers, even. And consideing Kun had turned Crado to the dark side AND killed Sylvar's master in front of her, I think his revenge was taken. the times we see Exar fight, he always brings it to a saber duel, where he may very well be defeated. Yoda was the best Jedi of the Golden Age, there's no straight guarantee Exar will defeat Yoda easily, if at all. Nai put it best even if I disagree with his conclusion

Ahh... finally yoda is defeated. I have waited a long time for this. Exar Kun takes this.

Dont'cha just love when people come in and continue saying stupid things? It really is amusing.
I'd love to see how Kun actually wins when Yoda is almost definitely stornger in the force and a better swordsman. Strongest the Jedi roder produced? Check. best swordsman of the golden age? Check.
Please, Balanced Blade...leave the intelligence to Sama and Nai

Kun, strongest of his era, Check... Vodo said himself. God u are too arrogant to see anything. Yoda is not invincible. Damn get over it. And instead of worrying about me, try and disprove them. And if you get so mad, ignore me.

Yoda is the strongest of the stronger era, your point?

And Vodo said a thing on the subject? Hm...no, he didn't. We have KJA's word on the subject and that's really it.

Uh what. Dude sry, hate to tell u but....
Niman is not a stronger style(yoda era). That was the prominent style. The Jedi Order is stronger memberwise and maybe other stuff, but fightingwise, just stop. If that was the case then luke would lose to yoda whenever because the new academy wasnt as strong an era (memberwise) and we all know how you feel about that....

Sry bout vodo thingy i could have sworn, probly just read it somewhere...

Your point being what? Yoda didn't use Niman, so the point is moot. It was the Jedi Golden Age with the strongest Jedi and the best duelists, of Anakin and Yoda, Mace and Dooku...oh, and Luke's well given evidence that he's exceeded Yoda. No, actually, the NJO will probably become quite a bit more powerful.

Considering Lucas called the PT the Jedi Golden Age, and Yoda's been declared the strongest the order produced, not to mention ample evidence of his triumps over the darkside being described as 'legion' AND the detail he's been called the strongest foe the darkness had ever known...

Wait, you brought that jedi order bs up.

And when do 4 people make up an order.

Yes, the NJO will become more powerful, but not at the time that i was talking about.