Wendigo runs gauntlet

Originally posted by Dinalfos
No, he wasn't raving mad. If he was, they wouldn't be trading blows. Wendigo cannot stand up to strength that keeps increasing. Especially since Wendigo and Hulk apparantly start out on more or less the same level. If Wendigo is immortal, then Hulk's strength would've gone up far quicker, since he simply can't handle someone not bowing to him in a fight. That's just the nature of the beast. That leads me to believe that Hulk was not that enraged. A bit riled up, perhaps a bit pissed, but not enraged. Either that, or the writer simply doesn't understand the concept of the Hulk's physiology. Or he simply doesn't care too much about consistency and was trying to make it an even match. Again, these Forum fights are supposed to be PIS/CIS/Jobbing free, unless stated otherwise.

Yes, Hulk started the second fight. But remember that he wasn't out to kill or Kayoe Wendigo. He almost never is. Dalak said it in another thread: Hulk wants to prove that he is the strongest or that he can overcome all odds. If he can prove that by someone accepting his defeat while remaining conscious or beating that person unconscious doesn't really matter to Hulk. Although he'd rather have that person to be awake so that he can make a lasting impression on him. The thing he wants the most ist that his enemies stop bothering him or the ones he loves/cares about. A bloodlusted Hulk is a rarity and wouldn't be concerned with strength tests.

Yes he can, he is mystical in nature and the more he eats or get hungry the stronger he becomes. Expect they were fighting for an extended period of time and yet they were still equal in strength, in all their apperances not just this it was the exact same. What? even Wolverine after stabbing Wengido knocking him out comments about how you can't kill him. He was definetly enraged and had emotional connection to it as well if you read the issue. That wasn't jobbing, good lord your a Hulk fanboy arn't you? Once again I have a crap load of Hulk comics and apperances and this is no different. Fact.

Actually he was, as he took "away" his friend they even discuss this in the issue. Expect once again if you read the issue it wasn't about a sense of pride it was about saving a friend from the Wendigo...oh good lord, I don't think you have read the issues.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yes he can, he is mystical in nature and the more he eats or get hungry the stronger he becomes. Expect they were fighting for an extended period of time and yet they were still equal in strength, in all their apperances not just this it was the exact same. What? even Wolverine after stabbing Wengido knocking him out comments about how you can't kill him. He was definetly enraged and had emotional connection to it as well if you read the issue. That wasn't jobbing, good lord your a Hulk fanboy arn't you? Once again I have a crap load of Hulk comics and apperances and this is no different. Fact.

Actually he was, as he took "away" his friend they even discuss this in the issue. Expect once again if you read the issue it wasn't about a sense of pride it was about saving a friend from the Wendigo...oh good lord, I don't think you have read the issues.

Learn how to read. I'm not a fanboy. I might as well call you a Wendigo fanboy 🙄 Wikipedia says that he can be killied by ripping his heart out. Issues of Spiderman have proven that not every Wendigo is godlike, immortal beast etc. Yeah, you have "crap load" of Hulk comics, but you don't know anything about him.

And I still don't think you understand what this is primarily about. This is about a plotless, non-compromised fight on a forum. In order to set that up, you're gonna have to ignore possible scenarios involing plot devices, extra characters and settings as much as possible and go by what the characters can do. Going by the panels? Sure, Wendigo can stand up to him. But that's not what matters here, unless you want to discuss comic issues and their validity. Fine by me, but don't forget the battle.

And ofcourse I have read the issues. It's just that most of them are pretty old. The Hulk is not all I read, you know.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Learn how to read. I'm not a fanboy. I might as well call you a Wendigo fanboy 🙄 Wikipedia says that he can be killied by ripping his heart out. Issues of Spiderman have proven that not every Wendigo is godlike, immortal beast etc. Yeah, you have "crap load" of Hulk comics, but you don't know anything about him.

And I still don't think you understand what this is primarily about. This is about a plotless, non-compromised fight on a forum. In order to set that up, you're gonna have to ignore possible scenarios involing plot devices, extra characters and settings as much as possible and go by what the characters can do. Going by the panels? Sure, Wendigo can stand up to him. But that's not what matters here, unless you want to discuss comic issues and their validity. Fine by me, but don't forget the battle.

And ofcourse I have read the issues. It's just that most of them are pretty old. The Hulk is not all I read, you know.

Learn how to read? I have been saying the same thing over and over, but you don't want to accept facts. No I have all of Wendigo's apperaces, and once again stated in actual comics Wendigo is immortal. Do you know what happened when his heart was ripped out? a new Wendigo was born. You talking about the Wendigo that was passive and didn't want to fight? how does that prove your case. See I know these comics

What are you talking about a non-jobbing Wendigo is shown and stated to be on Hulk's level. It's a fact there is no around it, and the whole point of this board is discuss fights from the comics which not just on one occassion but several he was equal to Hulk and needed extra help to finish it off. I have backed up my claims now it's up to you.

Then you would know this is far from PIS or CIS.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Learn how to read? I have been saying the same thing over and over, but you don't want to accept facts. No I have all of Wendigo's apperaces, and once again stated in actual comics Wendigo is immortal. Do you know what happened when his heart was ripped out? a new Wendigo was born. You talking about the Wendigo that was passive and didn't want to fight? how does that prove your case. See I know these comics

What are you talking about a non-jobbing Wendigo is shown and stated to be on Hulk's level. It's a fact there is no around it, and the whole point of this board is discuss fights from the comics which not just on one occassion but several he was equal to Hulk and needed extra help to finish it off. I have backed up my claims now it's up to you.

Then you would know this is far from PIS or CIS.

I've been saying the same thing as well. Once again, there's not going to be an endless respawning of Wendigo's. He may be lucky to respawn once or twice before the Hulk must move on to the next battle. A defeated Wendigo doesn't come back as exactly the same Wendigo(different body and all), so it counts as a defeat anyway. And whether or not the Wendigo from Spiderman was passive, doesn't matter much. He got shot. Shot.

On what level may that be? Explain this to me. The Hulk doesn't HAVE a level, except, maybe, for his base strength. And even that's debatable. HOW CAN YOU BE ON A LEVEL WITH SOMEONE WHO'S STRENGTH POTENTIALLY INCREASES TO INCALCULABLE HEIGHTS, if necessary? That simply defies logic. Wendigo is strong, very strong. He can hang with Hulk for a while, depending on how fast his rage increases. But if you keep in mind that there's no such thing as a steadily enraged Hulk(he can keep getting angrier), you're gonna have to be fair about this. That's not me being a fanboy, that's me thinking rationally. In a comic book fight, Wendigo might do okay, since there are several scenarios that can have the Hulk limit his anger. But there's also instances where Hulk is simply underwritten. Such as when he fights Wolverine or Thing in regular matches. Writers depower Spiderman as well. Hell, even Wendigo himself. Or Gladiator. Or Thor. Or anyone. And I'm going to say this again: debating panels and issues is cool, but let's not forget that this is supposed to be free of plot boundaries.

Anyway, if you're going to be a jerk about this, we might as well end it.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I've been saying the same thing as well. Once again, there's not going to be an endless respawning of Wendigo's. He may be lucky to respawn once or twice before the Hulk must move on to the next battle. A defeated Wendigo doesn't come back as exactly the same Wendigo(different body and all), so it counts as a defeat anyway. And whether or not the Wendigo from Spiderman was passive, doesn't matter much. He got shot. Shot.

On what level may that be? Explain this to me. The Hulk doesn't HAVE a level, except, maybe, for his base strength. And even that's debatable. HOW CAN YOU BE ON A LEVEL WITH SOMEONE WHO'S STRENGTH POTENTIALLY INCREASES TO INCALCULABLE HEIGHTS, if necessary? That simply defies logic. Wendigo is strong, very strong. He can hang with Hulk for a while, depending on how fast his rage increases. But if you keep in mind that there's no such thing as a steadily enraged Hulk(he can keep getting angrier), you're gonna have to be fair about this. That's not me being a fanboy, that's me thinking rationally. In a comic book fight, Wendigo might do okay, since there are several scenarios that can have the Hulk limit his anger. But there's also instances where Hulk is simply underwritten. Such as when he fights Wolverine or Thing in regular matches. Writers depower Spiderman as well. Hell, even Wendigo himself. Or Gladiator. Or Thor. Or anyone. And I'm going to say this again: debating panels and issues is cool, but let's not forget that this is supposed to be free of plot boundaries.

The wonders of being a magical creature created by skyfather beings, when in Mauvais form even Dr.Strange stated he wasn't sure he could beat him. Fact is Wendigo has never been stated for his strength, but time and time and time again he was shown to be Hulk's equal and

Anyway, if you're going to be a jerk about this, we might as well end it.

Actually yes there is, see Earth X for details. Yeah he could even come back strong as Mauvais, and the thread starter never stated which Wendigo the host was. Expect he beat the host, but not Wendigo itself. Plus there isn't a drastic difference with each host, well from right there we know that's not right as you even said no PIS or CIS as Wendigo has shown to take much more than that. It does matter if he is passive as he derives his strength from cannabilism, if he is a good guy the curse weakens. If he admits he did the wrong the curse weakens and eventually breaks as stated.

Hulk doesn't instantly go have incaluable strength, and can be knocked out way before that as shown many times in comics. The only time he became close to incalcuable strength was mindless Hulk during the Onslaught saga, but this isn't mindless Hulk. Hulk even stated in several of his apperances with Wendigo he wasn't limiting himself and that Wendigo is probally the strongest opponent he faced including Abomination the guy who knocked the Hulk out. Thinking rationally is that if every time he ever faced the Hulk he was shown to be Hulk's equal and in the end it needed extra help to finish the fight puts him as Hulk's equal. Every apperance of a blood-lusted Wendigo sans the Sabertooth incident he has shown to be Hulk's equal. On-panel feats is something you go by on this board, not assumptions but facts and those are the facts. That's the difference.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually yes there is, see Earth X for details. Yeah he could even come back strong as Mauvais, and the thread starter never stated which Wendigo the host was. Expect he beat the host, but not Wendigo itself. Plus there isn't a drastic difference with each host, well from right there we know that's not right as you even said no PIS or CIS as Wendigo has shown to take much more than that. It does matter if he is passive as he derives his strength from cannabilism, if he is a good guy the curse weakens. If he admits he did the wrong the curse weakens and eventually breaks as stated.

But how is he going to feed himself during the battle? We need to establish how strong and durable Wendigo is before this fight can continue.

Hulk doesn't instantly go have incaluable strength, and can be knocked out way before that as shown many times in comics. The only time he became close to incalcuable strength was mindless Hulk during the Onslaught saga, but this isn't mindless Hulk. Hulk even stated in several of his apperances with Wendigo he wasn't limiting himself and that Wendigo is probally the strongest opponent he faced including Abomination the guy who knocked the Hulk out. Thinking rationally is that if every time he ever faced the Hulk he was shown to be Hulk's equal and in the end it needed extra help to finish the fight puts him as Hulk's equal. Every apperance of a blood-lusted Wendigo sans the Sabertooth incident he has shown to be Hulk's equal. On-panel feats is something you go by on this board, not assumptions but facts and those are the facts. That's the difference.

You don't have to tell me that. I've seen the Hulk get knocked out many a time. What is true about the character, however, is that he can become as strong as he is angry. If his anger doesn't prove enough innitially, then he'll keeps getting angrier. That's why the Hulk never failed a strength feat or why he has defeated enemies FAR more powerful than either Wendigo and Abomination. If the Hulk can reach strength levels that match and surpass, say, Cryptoman or Thor or any powerhouse, then why would it suddenly stop at the average Wendigo manifestation?

Going by the panels is good if you want to wrap these fights in a narrative context. Different scenarios allow for different outcome. Going entirely by the panels in fights based on abilities makes things tougher. For every good showing there's another showing that debunks it. Hulk defeating Gladiator is weird, so that's why it's commonly ignored in battles between the two. Unless Gladiator jobs to Hulk by ignoring his plethora of abilities or anything. Again, you're gonna have to explain how Wendigo can logically hang with someone who can and will become much stronger than he normally is? Using this little fact in a non-scripted forum battle makes sense because their based on logic. Using panels as evidence is nearly impossible because it causes too much conflict. So Wendigo can hang with Hulk in the comics? But what does that even mean for battles? If you say Wendigo is equal to Hulk, does that mean Hulk cannot increase his strength in forum battles? Or does that mean Wendigo becomes a Hulk-like individual? It's simply too vague.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You don't have to tell me that. I've seen the Hulk get knocked out many a time. What is true about the character, however, is that he can become as strong as he is angry. If his anger doesn't prove enough innitially, then he'll keeps getting angrier. That's why the Hulk never failed a strength feat or why he has defeated enemies FAR more powerful than either Wendigo and Abomination. If the Hulk can reach strength levels that match and surpass, say, Cryptoman or Thor or any powerhouse, then why would it suddenly stop at the average Wendigo manifestation?

Going by the panels is good if you want to wrap these fights in a narrative context. Different scenarios allow for different outcome. Going entirely by the panels in fights based on abilities makes things tougher. For every good showing there's another showing that debunks it. Hulk defeating Gladiator is weird, so that's why it's commonly ignored in battles between the two. Unless Gladiator jobs to Hulk by ignoring his plethora of abilities or anything. Again, you're gonna have to explain how Wendigo can logically hang with someone who can and will become much stronger than he normally is? Using this little fact in a non-scripted forum battle makes sense because their based on logic. Using panels as evidence is nearly impossible because it causes too much conflict. So Wendigo can hang with Hulk in the comics? But what does that even mean for battles? If you say Wendigo is equal to Hulk, does that mean Hulk cannot increase his strength in forum battles? Or does that mean Wendigo becomes a Hulk-like individual? It's simply too vague.

The average Wendigo manifestation was still equal with him and it took either Wolverine, Sasquatch or Captain Marvel to finish the bout. How often does Hulk even get to limitless strength? never. Wendigo if true to his character would hack and slash eating away at anything flesh and growing stronger because of it. Earth X mentioned if he becomes hungry he becomes unstoppable to a degree of course.

Ummm....that's how we debate on this board works, and once again do you know Wendigo's strength limits? because it was never stated and if it took Hulk and Captain MArvel to fight him, like yesh! plus Mauvais Wendigo is said to give Dr.Strange trouble. Yes! that's what I have been trying to say he becomes a Hulk like creature as he can increase his strength as well, there was no limit to his increase.

Oh forgot to mention in Earth-MC2, 12 boy scouts became Wendigo after eating their scoutmaster so there very well could be multiple Wendigo's at once.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The average Wendigo manifestation was still equal with him and it took either Wolverine, Sasquatch or Captain Marvel to finish the bout. How often does Hulk even get to limitless strength? never. Wendigo if true to his character would hack and slash eating away at anything flesh and growing stronger because of it. Earth X mentioned if he becomes hungry he becomes unstoppable to a degree of course.

Ummm....that's how we debate on this board works, and once again do you know Wendigo's strength limits? because it was never stated and if it took Hulk and Captain MArvel to fight him, like yesh! plus Mauvais Wendigo is said to give Dr.Strange trouble. Yes! that's what I have been trying to say he becomes a Hulk like creature as he can increase his strength as well, there was no limit to his increase.

Where's the proof that says it TOOK Wolverine to finish him? He was there, but not necessarily needed. The Hulk wasn't in any real trouble. Wendigo if true to his character? You said you prefered going by the panels, which hasn't shown Wendigo eating away at Hulk. You see, Wendigo may have that ability, but that wasn't shown on panel. fine by me, if he has it, then it should be taken into account for the battles. But I hope you see my point about Hulk. You are confusing infinite with unlimited. The Hulk's strength is unlimited int eh sense that no matter how strong Wendigo grows during the fight, the Hulk can stay ahead of him or, in case he's behind, catch up with him. And he can do it withing seconds, too.

Anyway, you'd have to admit that it's easier for Hulk to increase in the heat of battle, than it is for Wendigo. In fact, I will go as far as saying that it won't matter. Not enough chances. An enraged Hulk isn't easily damaged and eating other creatures is gonna be tough. He's not gonna get a pause, since these fights are plotless.

Oh and no, I don't know Wendigo's strength limit. Never said I did. It's just that going by the same panels as you do, tells me that Wendigo has more than enough trouble standing up to a moderately riled up Hulk.

There is no way wendigo could possibly survive this.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Where's the proof that says it TOOK Wolverine to finish him? He was there, but not necessarily needed. The Hulk wasn't in any real trouble. Wendigo if true to his character? You said you prefered going by the panels, which hasn't shown Wendigo eating away at Hulk. You see, Wendigo may have that ability, but that wasn't shown on panel. fine by me, if he has it, then it should be taken into account for the battles. But I hope you see my point about Hulk. You are confusing infinite with unlimited. The Hulk's strength is unlimited int eh sense that no matter how strong Wendigo grows during the fight, the Hulk can stay ahead of him or, in case he's behind, catch up with him. And he can do it withing seconds, too.

Anyway, you'd have to admit that it's easier for Hulk to increase in the heat of battle, than it is for Wendigo. In fact, I will go as far as saying that it won't matter. Not enough chances. An enraged Hulk isn't easily damaged and eating other creatures is gonna be tough. He's not gonna get a pause, since these fights are plotless.

They mentioned in the comic he would finish him off and landed the "killing blow", which should have killed the Wendigo, but Wolverine comments it didn't. No I'm not sure you understand what I mean, going by panel feats is a good indication of power and presonality. Wendigo is shown constantly trying to eat people, even snacked on Sasquatch. Wendigo even when the Hulk was enraged still dealt with him accordingly, we have no idea how his strength increases but Wendigo is considered to be the most evil of crimes by the Northern Gods and that's why they created the Wendigo curse.

Not really, a being of mystical nature of punishment for consumption of flesh is already high end and Hulk has never shown to just instantly go completly limitless in seconds or minutes. In another confronation Wendigo's claws sliced the Hulk open, so yes he can infact seriously damage him.

Wendigo doesn't have a set strength lvl though, go to wikipedia and check his profile, its says that there is no known limit to his strength.
CLear

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all i know is that sabretooth killed him and in the wolverines issues mauvais killed wendigo and ate his heart in wolverine #171

Originally posted by stay super
all i know is that sabretooth killed him and in the wolverines issues mauvais killed wendigo and ate his heart in wolverine #171

The Sabertooth fight was poorly written, and Mauvais became Wendigo himself.

yes he became but only after he killed wendigo

thats just show you that no matter how strong wendigo is he can be killed without much trouble, sabretooth took him into the water and finished him there, mauvais cutted him and ate his heart

Originally posted by stay super
yes he became but only after he killed wendigo

You can't kill the Wendigo as stated, he merely destroyed the host

Originally posted by stay super
thats just show you that no matter how strong wendigo is he can be killed without much trouble, sabretooth took him into the water and finished him there, mauvais cutted him and ate his heart

Mauvais is a Dr.Strange level mystic, and to show you the Sabertooth fight was PIS wooden spikes impaled Sasquatch when he has been shown on multiple occasions to take armor pericing machine gun fire bouncing right off of him, but wood penetrates him?

he felt on the wood with his own weight and power, it was sharp and hurt him