Originally posted by nimbus006Is the following correct? Beast has undergone further mutation, but has no feats (or dialogue?) to suggest that he's stronger than before. And his body is agile in a different way than before, forcing him to adapt and retrain himself.
Exactly. Maybe Beast was getting a little bit the better of Wolverine so thats why I'm giving him class 2. Not saying he could beat Wolveirne cuz Beast was super heated at the time, and Logan was just sort of upset.
If that's true, I don't see him taking Thing. Not even once. Poor Beast. 🙁
I agree. Beast should be at least more than 10 tons. I'm not sure about 40... but...
In any case when Hulk fought wolverine, Wolverine wasn't even flying all over the place either... for some reason.. the comic suddenly had Hulk job to wolverine.. I'm sorry, but if the flick of hulks hand has 80tons+ of force behind it, You're gonna be moved, adamantium skeleton or not... ...
oh wait i get it...wolverine has the superman jobbing aura... he gain blobs immovability...
seriously... beast is even big, but a lot faster and agile, than most seem to realize until they have to fight him.
Originally posted by Wonder Man
Beast was 40 ton. i haven't followed closely for a while to tell you his level today. He'd put Thing on his feet and spin him like a ball for about 2 hours then Ben would just pass out from exhaustion and nausea.
Exactly. I was going to post the same thing earlier, but I was tired and didn't feel like getting attacked by the Thing supporters. If this was Beast back in the day, he'd give Thing a great fight. In fact, Thing would never touch him, but Beast would be tossing him all over the place, using Thing's own momentum if the situation called for it. Back in the day (mid-90s), Beast could've won this fight.
But yea. Current levels, Thing wins.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Exactly. I was going to post the same thing earlier, but I was tired and didn't feel like getting attacked by the Thing supporters. If this was Beast back in the day, he'd give Thing a great fight. In fact, Thing would never touch him, but Beast would be tossing him all over the place, using Thing's own momentum if the situation called for it. Back in the day (mid-90s), Beast could've won this fight.But yea. Current levels, Thing wins.
I still don't know about ape-Beast winning against Thing, but that version of the Beast (other than being the best version of best ever!) was pretty strong. I think they downgraded his strength in his current form just from what we've seen of his showings though.
I do agree about Ape-Beast giving Thing a great fight though
Mid 90's Beast might have done better against Thing than current Beast ,but he still loses 10/10. Yea Beast is more agile and a little bit faster, but Thing is no Blob, he has very good fight speed. Besides that he is leagues beyond Beast in the strength, durability, and stamina department. The only thing Beast has over Thing is agility and intelligence, and even then Thing is a more expierenced brawler.
Originally posted by nimbus006
Mid 90's Beast might have done better against Thing than current Beast ,but he still loses 10/10. Yea Beast is more agile and a little bit faster, but Thing is no Blob, he has very good fight speed. Besides that he is leagues beyond Beast in the strength, durability, and stamina department. The only thing Beast has over Thing is agility and intelligence, and even then Thing is a more expierenced brawler.
(Talking about mid 90s Beast here)
Actually, stamina is debatable, since Beast also has superhuman stamina/endurance.
And with Beast's agility, Thing would be lucky to even graze him. That, and Beast also has been fighting nearly as long as Ben has. I know you meant no harm by what you said, but I just hate seeing Beast being so underrated on this forum. He's quite the accomplished fighter, and has trained probably even more than Thing has since becomming an X-man in his early teens. Comic-time-wise, he's been in the game a lot longer than Ben has.