Beast vs. Thing

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ben still needs to breathe, so I don't really understand why you brought that up.

Besides, how do different environments pertain to this fight? Are they going to be fighting in a volcano? Or in Antarctica? Actually, Beast would probably be alright there though, what with the fur and all.

I still think the stamina thing is debatable. I've seen Thing fatigued before, and I've seen Beast fatigued less times than that. And yes, I know they don't face the same threats, but using comparatic logic is makes sense.

And yea, Beast is a lot of timse trying to figure out some way to defeat and enemy cuz he's the only one who can! If he was out in the field, the X-Men would be SOL and lose their fights if not for Beast's day-saving inventions.

You think being in the field and fighting baddies created the cure to the Legacy virus?

When Beast isn't in the lab, he's also in the fray. Or the Danger Room, basically everyday, in fact, training hard.

What do you mean why did i bring that up. Fighting in different temps and enviorments makes a HUGE difference in stamina. Just look at the Denver Broncos when they play in Miami. They cant hang. Or any team that plays in Denver... they cant breathe. In regards to what if there fihgting in a Volcano... what if Thing throws Beast into a gas tank and it explodes, Beast cannot survive in that, and Thing can. And no Beast cannot survive in the extreme enviorments that Thing can, not by al ong way.

And i understand that without Beast in the lab the X-mEN LOSE, but thats still taking away from his fighting expierence, and thats what this is a fight not a lab experiment contest.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wrong-o.

Hank was an all-star athelete WHILE being a scientist. Hank was even more athletic (yes, he was) than Ben was. He was gonan go pro until the whole X-Men thing occurred. It's kinda what he does.

And Beast has trained SO much more than Ben has. Yea, comic-chronologically, Ben has been around longer. But Beast has so much more training experience under his belt than Ben does. Beast is the better fighter of the two, able to efficiently use all of his skills better than Ben can.

HOWEVER, don't confuse this rant with me saying Beast wins. I'm just trying to defend him here, he doesn't get enough credit and is severely underrated.

Thing does win this fight (especially against current Beast).

Not to knock Beast but I don't think you can say Beast has more training experience. Out of all the other FF'ers Ben trains the most. Beast may be the better fight (knowing more styles and whatever), but I wouldn't say Beast is able to use all of his skills better than Thing. The Thing's brawling style is very much suited to his massive size, strength and durability. I understand your trying to defend and I respect that (he's one of my top X-men) lets not downplay The Thing's abilities in the process

Originally posted by nimbus006
Your write... but Ben was an athelete, and in the services as a human, Hank was born a mutant with powers so you cant compare that, but yea your facts are correct. I agree with you that Beast is a better fighter in the sense of technique and skill, but Thing is tougher IMO which makes him a better scrapper. And yes Beast might have trained more than Thing, but Thing has had WAAAAY more battles with top noch opponents than Beast, and that is what counts. You can practice all you want, but until you do the real thing you ain't nothing.

You're right, and I won't and can't argue with that. Beast just doesn't get the spotlight that Thing does.

Beast has done "the real thing" plenty of times, dozens upon dozens of times. It's just that Thing has done it more, being the strong-guy of a four-member group. Beast is a strong/agile/smart guy of a seeminly-endless-member group? Do you see what I mean? Thing is, without even trying, going to get so many more showings than Beast will because he has to. Smaller team, more spotlight. Bigger team, get lost in the background.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You're right, and I won't and can't argue with that. Beast just doesn't get the spotlight that Thing does.

Beast has done "the real thing" plenty of times, dozens upon dozens of times. It's just that Thing has done it more, being the strong-guy of a four-member group. Beast is a strong/agile/smart guy of a seeminly-endless-member group? Do you see what I mean? Thing is, without even trying, going to get so many more showings than Beast will because he has to. Smaller team, more spotlight. Bigger team, get lost in the background.

Understandable, but it is what it is. Colussus doesn't get the spotlight that Beast does, but we know Colussus will murder Beast as well. B/c the feats that he has performed surpass anything Beast has ever done, and i know you wont argue with that...lol. FF take on bigger threats than the X-Men in my opinion, and with only 4. Which means that Thing has a tougher road to walk than Beast in terms of opponents they fight.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Not to knock Beast but I don't think you can say Beast has more training experience. Out of all the other FF'ers Ben trains the most. Beast may be the better fight (knowing more styles and whatever), but I wouldn't say Beast is able to use all of his skills better than Thing. The Thing's brawling style is very much suited to his massive size, strength and durability. I understand your trying to defend and I respect that (he's one of my top X-men) lets not downplay The Thing's abilities in the process

No no, don't get me wrong. I meant in no way to downplay Thing's abilities. He's my favorite FF member. He's a great fighter, and utilizes his brawling style very well for his massive size/strength/durability. I never argued that he wasn't.

I just feel, that for the amount of training (I still feel that Beast has trained so much more than Thing has, having [age-wise] been an X-men since his early teens and, for the most part, training basically everyday of that) and battles that Beast has gone through, he is the better fighter. However, not being able to equally compare to all the other physical stats that Ben exhibits is Beast's disadvantage here.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Understandable, but it is what it is. FF take on bigger threats than the X-Men in my opinion, and with only 4. Which means that Thing has a tougher road to walk than Beast in terms of opponents they fight.

You're right. But it's a bit unfair to compare that the way you did. Beast is not the X-Men's strong guy the way Thing is.

And I'd like to see the Fantastic Four even think about taking on Magnteo. 😉

And dare I even bring up Phoenix?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You're right. But it's a bit unfair to compare that the way you did. Beast is not the X-Men's strong guy the way Thing is.

And I'd like to see the Fantastic Four even think about taking on Magnteo. 😉

And dare I even bring up Phoenix?

I know its not fair thats why I said this fight should never happen.

Huh Galactus... and still the X-men are like 80, the FF are 4 a little bit easier when you have an army of mutants.

And i was refering more to everyday opponents... Beast did'nt fight the Phoneix, its pretty irrevelant for this thread.
P.S Read my other post again i edited, i think you'll enjoy it 🙂

Originally posted by nimbus006
I know its not fair thats why I said this fight should never happen.

Huh Galactus... and still the X-men are like 80, the FF are 4 a little bit easier when you have an army of mutants.

And i was refering more to everyday opponents... Beast did'nt fight the Phoneix, its pretty irrevelant for this thread.
P.S Read my other post again i edited, i think you'll enjoy it 🙂

Heh, I like the edit. Makes sense, too.

And you're right, I'm not really arguing with you so much as bringing up points to justify my statements.

Yea, I know FF have Galactus, but Phoenix is definitely an equal (if not greater) comparison. I also know that Beast didn't fight her, but you just said "X-Men", so I ran with it. And only a small handful of X-Men fought Phoenix, not all eight-billion.

But, yea. You're right. Everyday opponents, FF have faced tougher ones. I'll agree.

I'd still like to see FF try and tango with Magneto. Heh.

Oooh, or the Shadow King.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Heh, I like the edit. Makes sense, too.

And you're right, I'm not really arguing with you so much as bringing up points to justify my statements.

Yea, I know FF have Galactus, but Phoenix is definitely an equal (if not greater) comparison. I also know that Beast didn't fight her, but you just said "X-Men", so I ran with it. And only a small handful of X-Men fought Phoenix, not all eight-billion.

But, yea. You're right. Everyday opponents, FF have faced tougher ones. I'll agree.

I'd still like to see FF try and tango with Magneto. Heh.

Oooh, or the Shadow King.

Magneto and Doom are similiar head aches, but yea he is a hand full.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You're right. But it's a bit unfair to compare that the way you did. Beast is not the X-Men's strong guy the way Thing is.

And I'd like to see the Fantastic Four even think about taking on Magnteo. 😉

And dare I even bring up Phoenix?

*sigh* 🙄

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Oh and I would to see the X-men take down Dr. Doom (which they havent) or Annihilus 😄

Originally posted by Grimm22
*sigh* 🙄

Oh and I would to see the X-men take down Dr. Doom (which they havent) or Annihilus 😄

I could win with prep against Magneto.

I really wouldn't compare Dr. Doom to Phoenix. Or Shadow King.

Guys as much as I would love too, lets not turn this thread into a FF vs X-Men battle.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Guys as much as I would love too, lets not turn this thread into a FF vs X-Men battle.

You're right. I apologize for the digress of topic there.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wrong-o.

Hank was an all-star athelete WHILE being a scientist. Hank was even more athletic (yes, he was) than Ben was. He was gonan go pro until the whole X-Men thing occurred. It's kinda what he does.

And Beast has trained SO much more than Ben has. Yea, comic-chronologically, Ben has been around longer. But Beast has so much more training experience under his belt than Ben does. Beast is the better fighter of the two, able to efficiently use all of his skills better than Ben can.

HOWEVER, don't confuse this rant with me saying Beast wins. I'm just trying to defend him here, he doesn't get enough credit and is severely underrated.

Thing does win this fight (especially against current Beast).

Originally posted by nimbus006
By no means am I underestimating Beast. I know he is a great fighter, and is extremely expierenced, and i love his character, but it is a fact that many times while the X-Men are out fighting some villian Beast is in the lab figuring out a way to stop him. Ben on the other hand is always in the middle of the fray throwing down with the best. As for stamina, i do not think it is debatable. Beast cannot go as long as Thing with out fatigue poisons bulding in his blood. Thing on the other hand can survive in many diffrerent types of atmospheres without a suit i.e the negative zone where all the other FF needed a suit. Plus Thing can keep fighting in extreme tempatures, and Beast cannot.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ben still needs to breathe, so I don't really understand why you brought that up.

Besides, how do different environments pertain to this fight? Are they going to be fighting in a volcano? Or in Antarctica? Actually, Beast would probably be alright there though, what with the fur and all.

I still think the stamina thing is debatable. I've seen Thing fatigued before, and I've seen Beast fatigued less times than that. And yes, I know they don't face the same threats, but using comparatic logic is makes sense.

And yea, Beast is a lot of timse trying to figure out some way to defeat and enemy cuz he's the only one who can! If he was out in the field, the X-Men would be SOL and lose their fights if not for Beast's day-saving inventions.

You think being in the field and fighting baddies created the cure to the Legacy virus?

When Beast isn't in the lab, he's also in the fray. Or the Danger Room, basically everyday, in fact, training hard.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You're right. But it's a bit unfair to compare that the way you did. Beast is not the X-Men's strong guy the way Thing is.

And I'd like to see the Fantastic Four even think about taking on Magnteo. 😉

And dare I even bring up Phoenix?

I think Thing would win.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
[B]I could win with prep against Magneto.

I really wouldn't compare Dr. Doom to Phoenix. Or Shadow King. [/B]

The X-men got their asses kicked by Phoneix 😐

pft, Doom owns Shadow King 😎

I agree with Doom>>Shadow King