Originally posted by Dalak
Who said anything about Hulk's fans? You are making it harder to defend Hulk against other arguments with your actions because of those who aren't his fans.
I am makeing it so poeple wont have to argue, and if you would let me win the arguement I wouldnt have to argue about how strong the hulk is!!! 😠 😠 😠
Look. There are MANY hulks. Devil Hulk (who's actual physical strength has never been accurately portrayed, only his mental strength, if that is any indication) Savage Hulk (aka incredible), grey hulk (mr. fixit), mindless hulk (banner was shut off so that he could fight onslaught, no human in him to hold him back), maestro (the hulk of the future with 2times the hulk gamma rays)...There is also professor hulk, which is based savage hulks strength, but with the intelligence of bruce banner. I'm still unsure as to which is stronger, grey or professor, though both seem around the same range. Theres also heroes reborn hulk, and ultimate hulk, but I don't know enough to comment about either.
also theres 2 abominations.. classic and current...
classic, first incarnation before half his strength was drained away, was so far above hulk, that he beat him almost instantly... With half his strength drained away.. current... he almost beat hulk, until hulk's strength was sufficiently increased through rage... savage/incredible hulk.
I don't mean to make you look bad. Its just like you don't know enough about the character. I've been reading hulk since I was 12, and i'm 24 now.... I may not know all the things hulks done, but I know the differences between them.
Originally posted by SuperChangeling
I am makeing it so poeple wont have to argue, and if you would let me win the arguement I wouldnt have to argue about how strong the hulk is!!! 😠 😠 😠
No one is going to accept that Hulk is invincible and completely immortal, because he isn't. I am one of Hulk's biggest supporters on these boards and I know he isn't. He can be knocked out if it's done quick enough, he can be mindfragged by a strong enough mind, and he can he transported/teleported away. He can also be outspeeded if you are fast enough.
His strength isn't infinite but it is Unlimited, and yes the difference has been gone into here before. Given time he can overpower anyone and anything, but he isn't always given that time. From Writer to Writer the speed that his strength goes up changes, but it has been shown on many occasions to double and tripple in just a few seconds. Also Given time and radiation he WILL come back from Death, but that doesn't mean he can't die.
Originally posted by rotiart
Look. There are MANY hulks. Devil Hulk (who's actual physical strength has never been accurately portrayed, only his mental strength, if that is any indication) Savage Hulk (aka incredible), grey hulk (mr. fixit), mindless hulk (banner was shut off so that he could fight onslaught, no human in him to hold him back), maestro (the hulk of the future with 2times the hulk gamma rays)...There is also professor hulk, which is based savage hulks strength, but with the intelligence of bruce banner. I'm still unsure as to which is stronger, grey or professor, though both seem around the same range. Theres also heroes reborn hulk, and ultimate hulk, but I don't know enough to comment about either.also theres 2 abominations.. classic and current...
classic, first incarnation before half his strength was drained away, was so far above hulk, that he beat him almost instantly... With half his strength drained away.. current... he almost beat hulk, until hulk's strength was sufficiently increased through rage... savage/incredible hulk.I don't mean to make you look bad. Its just like you don't know enough about the character. I've been reading hulk since I was 12, and i'm 24 now.... I may not know all the things hulks done, but I know the differences between them.
ONCE AGAIN
Onslaught Hulk = Savage
Mindless Hulk Can't understand Language, Onslaught Hulk spoke.
Originally posted by rotiart
You do realize mindless hulk refers to the fact that the superior scientific mind of banner is not within the hulk right???And when was there ever a hulk that couldn't talk.
Btw. Only lesser minds have to shout to try to win a debate. Lesser.. minds.
Occasionally you need to get stubborn ones to listen, especially ones who resort to insults afterwards.
The first gives the 2nd more credance, and they go out of theri way to reinforce that mindlessness througout the issue.
E: Missed this one earlier
Both Hulks... are hulk without a banner. As far as that episode you provided... it was the animalistic remnants of his emotions that caused him to tune down his anger when paying attention to strange, even if he couldn't understand the words.
However that doesn't prove that mindless is as strong as/stronger or less than bannerless hulk...
I guess you've proven me wrong on my analogies though. From now on I shall refer to this as mindless... and the other as onslaught or bannerless hulk.
So you're saying then that mindless is stronger than bannerless. or vice versa.
For reference, which comic is this that you pulled the scans from.
Originally posted by rotiart
btw I only said what I said because you decided to go caps like you were yelling at me. 😬 If you had used the scans in the first place... or stated it nicely... 😄
I've tried stating it nicely, it never gets replied too 😉
I've had to mention that at least 10 times on this board 😉
Originally posted by Dalak
I've tried stating it nicely, it never gets replied too 😉I've had to mention that at least 10 times on this board 😉
On the board maybe, but not in this thread. How was I supposed to know you had argued this before.
Mind you I understand. I think I was holding up the same fight about the current standings of certain cosmic entities against GalacticStorm in 3 or 4 different threads. It made my head hurt after a while.
🙁
Originally posted by bigbran
yes but hulk cant get stronger, so how did he reach mindless in the first pace?
Originally posted by rotiart
Both Hulks... are hulk without a banner. As far as that episode you provided... it was the animalistic remnants of his emotions that caused him to tune down his anger when paying attention to strange, even if he couldn't understand the words.However that doesn't prove that mindless is as strong as/stronger or less than bannerless hulk...
I guess you've proven me wrong on my analogies though. From now on I shall refer to this as mindless... and the other as onslaught or bannerless hulk.
So you're saying then that mindless is stronger than bannerless. or vice versa.
For reference, which comic is this that you pulled the scans from.
IH #299-300 is when Nightmare takes over the Savage after bringing it back out after teh Secret War and in fighting him Banner totally regresses and stays that way for quite a long time after he's sent to the Crossroads.
In Onslaught the Professor asks to have his Banner turned off, and without the Banner parts of the Professor (Fixit is at least Half Banner) all you have left is the "Hulk Smash" Savage. It might have been a particuarly ANGRY Savage, but Savage it was.
And IMO Mindless > Bannerless Hulk, since Bannerless Post-Onslaught was having the power he had tear him apart I have to give the edge to Mindless.
Actually based off those posts you gave, i'd say so too. I mean mindless hulk didn't even flinch when thor hit him...
my new thingamig
mindless>bannerless>full power savage>maestro>base savage>professor>fixit.
Would you say thats about what you would say? mind that bannerless is what i'm using to refer to onslaught version now.
