Incridible Hulk VS Classic Savage Hulk

Originally posted by Dalak
Where did THAT come from?

Mindless Hulk < Savage Hulk that just watched Mindless Hulk kill Betty/Rick Jones/Jarella

well that is the meaning of mindless to not be able to think at all

(thats not word for word but it is still the same thing)

Originally posted by Dalak
Way to ignore the facts. You ask a question, I answer honestly, and you act like a dumb@$$.

Good show Old Bean 😉 😛

"Mindless" is the name of a character incarnation. The Hulk seen in the Crossroads Saga is refered to as Mindless Hulk, eventhough when the Savage Hulk began to reemerge.

Originally posted by bigbran
and i listened, why would i have to write, oh good point, and you brought a good arguement.
if you have to be congradgulated, then thats too bad for you.
the only thing is, hulk cant have unlimited strength, because he wouldnt have probs with abom, he wouldnt have a mindless state. and so on.

Oh, so your reasoning is "If he used his Full Strength all teh time there'd be no story"

Kinda like Flash and his speed right?

I rest my case.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
But you never pulled out proof. You pulled out a bunch of theories that conflict the character's nature or Marvel's own statements about him.

Originally posted by Dalak
Oh, so your reasoning is "If he used his Full Strength all teh time there'd be no story"

Kinda like Flash and his speed right?

I rest my case.

Originally posted by bigbran
so i cant defend something? the proof is mindless hulk.

And yet, Mindless Hulk had his strength increase on several occasions. There goes that theory. If you're talking about the Onslaught Saga, that was Savage. And he had to get pissed even more to break the armour. But he was mind clean from the moment when Jean wiped his emotional bagage, yet he still increased. Explain that?

Also explain why it never once says that Hulk has hit his limit.

Originally posted by Dalak
Oh, so your reasoning is "If he used his Full Strength all teh time there'd be no story"

Kinda like Flash and his speed right?

I rest my case.

well no thats not the same thing were not talking about his strength right now were talking about how can you become more mindless then mindless.

cause at mindless state he should not be able to think about anything but anger nonstoped and nothing else so his anger would remain at the same level because he could not process anything else. for instence love or anything so if he was mindless and someone he cared about died he would not care cause he would not even know who they were at this point of anger.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
And yet, Mindless Hulk had his strength increase on several occasions. There goes that theory. If you're talking about the Onslaught Saga, that was Savage. And he had to get pissed even more to break the armour. But he was mind clean from the moment when Jean wiped his emotional bagage, yet he still increased. Explain that?

Also explain why it never once says that Hulk has hit his limit.

"Mindless" is clearly a hyperbole, because Mindless Hulk has shown the ability to think or feel grief/love and stuff.

Originally posted by bigbran
did i say that, no, and if he needs to be at full power to beat abom, then thats sad!!! 🙁
i said he wouldnt have probs with abom, if he can reach into his unlimited power, then why would he have probs with a being that is only 2x as strong as him.

And while he had problems in the beginning he overpowered him. He still won. That shows he gets stronger, and from writer to writer the speed of that increase changes, some have him increasing very quick, others slow.

Oh yes, you said:

Originally posted by bigbran
the only thing is, hulk cant have unlimited strength, because he wouldnt have probs with abom, he wouldnt have a mindless state. and so on.

Mindless State? How does that factor into him not having Unilmited Strength. That means he has no reasoning and no thought, and no reason to calm down. It's a Hulk that's not holding back, and a Hulk that wasn't put down, but ported away. The upper limits to his strength weren't seen either.

Probs with Abom? Why does Superman have probs with Toyman, and Flash with Captain Boomerang?

And unless you can go into the 'so on' then yeah, you are saying he can't have Unlimited Strength because of PIS, and PIS isn't counted.

Originally posted by bigbran
because if you listened to dalak, then that hulk was not mindless. and his limit is extremely high, and wasnt the onslaught hulk, bannerless hulk?

Heh? What are you responding to? Mindless Hulk, as in Cross Road banished Hulk. Bannerless Hulk is the one that was seperated from Banner with the Nutrient Bath. The Bannerless Hulk you refer to is more known as Heroes Reborn Hulk.

Yeah, it gets confusing.

Originally posted by bigbran
because if you listened to dalak, then that hulk was not mindless. and his limit is extremely high, and wasnt the onslaught hulk, bannerless hulk?

When did I say that the Mindless HUlk had a mind?

And Onslaught Hulk was Savage, when Banner was sent to the Heroes Rebornverse with the rest the Hulk left here had no Banner.

Originally posted by Dalak
When did I say that the Mindless HUlk had a mind?

And Onslaught Hulk was Savage, when Banner was sent to the Heroes Rebornverse with the rest the Hulk left here had no Banner.

Originally posted by Dalak

Mindless State? How does that factor into him not having Unilmited Strength. That means he has no reasoning and no thought, and no reason to calm down.

that is my point right their he would not be able to become madder so he could not gain more strength. because he has no thought so you cant anger him anymore then he already is.

Originally posted by Dalak

Mindless State? How does that factor into him not having Unilmited Strength. That means he has no reasoning and no thought, and no reason to calm down. It's a Hulk that's not holding back, and a Hulk that wasn't put down, but ported away. The upper limits to his strength weren't seen either.

Probs with Abom? Why does Superman have probs with Toyman, and Flash with Captain Boomerang?

And unless you can go into the 'so on' then yeah, you are saying he can't have Unlimited Strength because of PIS, and PIS isn't counted.

Originally posted by bigbran
no you said that the mindless hulk had no mind, and therefore the onslaught hulk was not mindless.

I said Mindless couldn't comprehend language, and the Onslaught Hulk Spoke. I then posted the scans to prove it. This makes me arguing that the Mindless Hulk has a mind?

Originally posted by Dalak
I said Mindless couldn't comprehend language, and the Onslaught Hulk Spoke. I then posted the scans to prove it. This makes me arguing that the Mindless Hulk has a mind?

just saying hulk has really great strength but not unlimited strength because mindless hulk is as far as his anger goes meaning his strength stops with his anger.

Originally posted by Sea King
that is my point right their he would not be able to become madder so he could not gain more strength. because he has no thought so you cant anger him anymore then he already is.

Mindless Hulk is angry and has no reason to calm down, but that doesn't mean that it is the angriest he can get. That's a misconsception that I've been arguing against for longer than I've been on these boards.

He had no reason to calm down and hold back, but he also kept getting angrier indicating that he could continue to do so. Just like Hulk is supposed to. If he was as angry as he could be, how could he continue to get angrier as he was shown to do?

Mindless =/= Untoppable-Anger