The Great Genre Debate Thread!

Originally posted by Silverstein
falloutboy is pop punk, hawthorne is not metal, Black metal etc ARE useless labels, there are basically the same, its all just, growly yelling vocals, and some guitar solos.

im going to give up, cuz you not recognizing these legitmate labels, is simply just your own opinion and not fact at all. Your power metal, death metal, are useless and un necessary labels, because they all sound the same. Heavy metal or soft metal, its still metal right? 🙄 how come metal is allowed sub genres and these _____ metal names, but when Hardcore develops its own sub genres its ______core names, its suddenly useless? kids dont make up these sub genres, they're made by musicians and listeners alike that divide those genres.

💃

Kid, I don't care if you give up or not, you're wrong. Let's get to the matter at hand, though. Fall Out Boy pop PUNK? Fall Out Boy haven't got anything to do with punk, that's exactly what the problem is with kids like you. You think anybody who makes pop music with real instruments automatically becomes punk. It doesn't work like that.

Black metal is different to death metal, totally. The vocals are sharper and more biting in black metal, the music tends to be more focused on technical and orchestral melody, where as in death metal the vocals are more gutteral and even though the music can be very technical, it's more natural. There is a reason, legitimate reason, behind those. There isn't one behind "Nintendocore".

Originally posted by Bardiel13
This, class, is what I've come to know as "Classic Alpha Centauri." Once again, you've proven to twist my words to make me sound ignorant.

No, you did that yourself.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
The whole "Moshing, Headbanging, Hail-to-sataning" thing? It was a JOKE, pal. A JOKE. You know what was also a joke? My label as "Genre Nazi." But, it seems I've met the real thing. My hat's off to you. You see, I've tryed to keep this light. As for you, it seems that you hate me. I'm not name-calling or assuming you hate me, that's your sort of thing. It's just the impression I'm getting from you.

F*ck, one second. My hypocrite alert just went crazy, I have to turn off the alarm...ok I'm back, what were you saying? Oh, right.

You were trying to say you were joking this whole time, simply because I've taught you a lesson. It happens, don't hate me for it, hate yourself.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Now, as for Grindcore and Metalcore, just because you don't recognize them doesn't make them illigit. The majority of the metal fandom is familiar with those two, and yes Alt Metal is just for any band that NEEDS a label. You can't simply say "Well, I don't believe in Metalcore and Grindcore, so we shall not speak of them!" That's simply not how it works.

It doesn't matter what the world is familiar with, because if it did, then My Chemical Romance would be considered emo, and I think even we can agree they are nothing of the sort.

Alternative metal is just saying different metal, it's legitimate. It's not as stupid as grindcore/deathcore/gothcore/post-punk/post-hardcore and shit like that.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
As for credibility in genres, you can copy/paste all the definitions in the world, but I've come to know these genres from years of listening and studying them. For all I know, you're knowlege in metal can be nothing more than Wikipedia. I'm not saying it's from Wikipedia, though, so please don't try to twist my words, again. Thanks.

The only time I've used Wikipedia to illustrate a point was their article on emo, and even then I have people on this site who can attest that I was saying the same thing way before I knew that article existed.

You think that because you've grown to know something, or studied it a bit, that you know all about it. You do not, and you continually prove that every time you post. I post factual backup, you post "Yeah but I've loved it for ages.". That's simply not how it works.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Folk Metal? Oh, you missed one, did you? That's a shame, and it's not a genre you can "wish away" like Grindcore and Metalcore. It's actually quite defined. Folk Metal is the metal version of Folk Rock. It uses the elements of Heavy Metal, with folklore lyrics and traditional insturments of the subject. A few examples of this genre are Wuthering Heights, Touko, and Skiltron. Oh, and I forgot to mention Doom Metal in my list. Another very defined genre, that I should assume you're going to denounce. But, I'll save myself the trouble of having to describe it.

Folk is a genre, people call it folk rock, which I can deal with. Folk metal? That's bullshit and there is nobody credible that would say any different. Acoustic guitar is a traditional instrument of folk, does that mean Opeth are folk metal? Stop talking out of your anus, you fool.

Doom metal is used to describe bands such as Sunn0))), Khanate, Boris et al, sometimes stoner metal. These are also pointless genre labels made up by judging the bands on their FANS; "Because stoners like them, they must be stoner metal.". Bs, Down are not stoner metal, just because stoners like them. They're a heavy metal band, that's it.

-AC

Silverstein, I never said anything about the music of "grindcore" or "metalcore", I simply said I don't recognise the labels. They're false.

Try reading my posts please.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Now, this isn't my domain, but here's my impression.

Radiohead is probably Avant-Garde Alternative Rock (AC, I swear to God, if you try to bash me for using Avant-Garde as a label... seriosuly, I know what I'm doing)
RATM is probably a blend of Rap(core?), Funk-oriented Metal, and Hard Rock.
The Smiths, I'd say are Alternative Pop Rock.
That's at least my impression of their styles.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Rapcore, Rage Against the Machine, rapcore. Never heard a funnier, more credibility-erasing comment in my life. You seriously just started adding words onto the ends of genres, you even put a question mark next to "'core", see? You don't even know why you're using it.

You just set a new standard there. What a pretentious, wannabe know-nothing you are. "I know what I'm doing", actually the funniest thing I've read today.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Rapcore, Rage Against the Machine, rapcore. Never heard a funnier, more credibility-erasing comment in my life. You seriously just started adding words onto the ends of genres, you even put a question mark next to "'core", see? You don't even know why you're using it.

FYI, I posted because I saw how much you've been bashing my friend, and I decided to defend him. Don't drag me into this argument, for even though I love music, I don't know jack about its genres.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, you did that yourself.
Examples, please.

F*ck, one second. My hypocrite alert just went crazy, I have to turn off the alarm...ok I'm back, what were you saying? Oh, right.

You were trying to say you were joking this whole time, simply because I've taught you a lesson. It happens, don't hate me for it, hate yourself.
That's what I like about you, AC. That razor-sharp wit! Now, just because you're engaged in this debate with fiery passion doesn't mean I am. I can joke about things and the "hail-to-satan" and "Genre Nazi" parts were jokes, thus the " 😛 " next to them.

It doesn't matter what the world is familiar with, because if it did, then My Chemical Romance would be considered emo, and I think even we can agree they are nothing of the sort.

Alternative metal is just saying different metal, it's legitimate. It's not as stupid as grindcore/deathcore/gothcore/post-punk/post-hardcore and shit like that.

So... you claim, that you're not all-knowing, yet you still fight with every tooth and nail that you're right. Yes, the world is against you, but as long as you think so, it's the truth.

The only time I've used Wikipedia to illustrate a point was their article on emo, and even then I have people on this site who can attest that I was saying the same thing way before I knew that article existed.

You think that because you've grown to know something, or studied it a bit, that you know all about it. You do not, and you continually prove that every time you post. I post factual backup, you post "Yeah but I've loved it for ages.". That's simply not how it works.

I didn't simply "love it for ages." You don't know what I do, okay? I'll admit, I've done some reading, but most of my knowledge is from immersion. And that, in many scenarios, tends to be the best teacher. You can read all you want, but you'll never really know unless you listen (not saying that you haven't, of course)

Folk is a genre, people call it folk rock, which I can deal with. Folk metal? That's bullshit and there is nobody credible that would say any different. Acoustic guitar is a traditional instrument of folk, does that mean Opeth are folk metal? Stop talking out of your anus, you fool.

Okay, I'm going assume you've never, ever, ever listened to Folk Metal. Because, if you have, you wouldn't be saying that.

Doom metal is used to describe bands such as Sunn0))), Khanate, Boris et al, sometimes stoner metal. These are also pointless genre labels made up by judging the bands on their FANS; "Because stoners like them, they must be stoner metal.". Bs, Down are not stoner metal, just because stoners like them. They're a heavy metal band, that's it.

Stoner is really just an alternative label of Doom. The build is the same, but the style is a bit more psychedelic, like the music stoners listened to in the 60's. But, yeah Doom=Stoner=Doom.

-AC

Bardiel, sort that quote out so I can reply to it. You've messed it up.

Originally posted by KingDubya
Wow. You really seem ignorant of the many uses of question marks. He could've meant that he wasn't sure if "core" should be added to the end of rap, which I'm pretty sure he was.

You seem to be pretty ignorant to my point.

Originally posted by KingDubya
FYI, I posted because I saw how much you've been bashing my friend, and I decided to defend him. Don't drag me into this argument, for even though I love music, I don't know jack about its genres.

Then leave the thread. Peace.

-AC

Fans refer to Horse The Band as Nintendocore. Just like fans refer to 'Sunn0' as 'Doom Metal'

so basically we are debating about your opinion. Your opinion that you do not recognize certain genres and labels. THAT being an opinion, means there's no fact behind your argument, you lose. Grindcore and Metalcore are recognized. so YOU betta Recognize YO WORD OF MOUFFFF lol

...I'll tell you one thing, i didnt make up any genres and labels alright.

What would you others label them as then?

Originally posted by Bardock42
What would you others label them as then?

who is that directed to?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You seem to be pretty ignorant to my point.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then leave the thread. Peace.

-AC

Originally posted by Silverstein
who is that directed to?

I guess you others...

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Examples, please.

Of what, you making yourself look stupid? See: Any post you've made thus far.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
That's what I like about you, AC. That razor-sharp wit! Now, just because you're engaged in this debate with fiery passion doesn't mean I am. I can joke about things and the "hail-to-satan" and "Genre Nazi" parts were jokes, thus the " " next to them.

We both know that they weren't jokes, though, don't we? We both know, and can see as much from your comment, that you said something very explicitly and then changed your tune.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
So... you claim, that you're not all-knowing, yet you still fight with every tooth and nail that you're right. Yes, the world is against you, but as long as you think so, it's the truth.

I am right on this particular subject. How does that equate to me thinking I know everything? I know what I need to know to be right in this debate.

It doesn't matter if the world is against me (it isn't, by the way), the opposite, infact. If a million Britney Spears fans argued against you, just you, that she was a better guitarist than Jimi Hendrix, would they be right? No, because they're actually wrong. Why? Because of fact.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
I didn't simply "love it for ages." You don't know what I do, okay? I'll admit, I've done some reading, but most of my knowledge is from immersion. And that, in many scenarios, tends to be the best teacher. You can read all you want, but you'll never really know unless you listen (not saying that you haven't, of course)

Immersion a.k.a loving something a lot, and getting really into it. Yes, that's what I said.

I've done both to massive extremes, which is why I'm making you look stupid in this thread, which is why you are the one who has no other debate besides "I've immersed myself in it." and "The world is against you.".

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Okay, I'm going assume you've never, ever, ever listened to Folk Metal. Because, if you have, you wouldn't be saying that.

Another MySpace teen comment. "If you'd known, you'd not say that", well guess what? I do, and I am.

Puts your little theory out the window.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Stoner is really just an alternative label of Doom. The build is the same, but the style is a bit more psychedelic, like the music stoners listened to in the 60's. But, yeah Doom=Stoner=Doom.

Which is basically just really heavy metal that people like to get high to.

Why does it need a new genre because of what people do when they listen to it? I like riding a bike to Audioslave, Audioslave must be Biking Rock.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Silverstein, I never said anything about the music of "grindcore" or "metalcore", I simply said I don't recognise the labels. They're false.

Try reading my posts please.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Rapcore, Rage Against the Machine, rapcore. Never heard a funnier, more credibility-erasing comment in my life. You seriously just started adding words onto the ends of genres, you even put a question mark next to "'core", see? You don't even know why you're using it.

You just set a new standard there. What a pretentious, wannabe know-nothing you are. "I know what I'm doing", actually the funniest thing I've read today.

-AC

Okay, I want you to read my post again, but this time, use those reading glasses.

Now, this isn't my domain, but here's my impression.

Radiohead is probably Avant-Garde Alternative Rock (AC, I swear to God, if you try to bash me for using Avant-Garde as a label... seriously, I know what I'm doing)
RATM is probably a blend of Rap(core?), Funk-oriented Metal, and Hard Rock.
The Smiths, I'd say are Alternative Pop Rock.
That's at least my impression of their styles.

AC, I wouldn't be talking about credibility, if I were you. From what I see, you're trying to use every little thing against me. I even put a disclaimer to show that I wasn't the most credible source, that it was just my impression from what I've heard. I did that so you wouldn't make an ass of yourself and do this. But you did. That really tells a lot about your character, man.
Oh, and KingDubya's right. Since I wasn't the most experienced in that field, because I wasn't sure if people would consider that Rapcore or not. Tell me, AC... Do you feel threatened by me? Hold on, I'll answer for you: "Of course, I don't you nincompoop! You should feel threatened by me! I'm right and you're wrong! Hawthorne Heights is 100% metal and deep down inside, you know it! You have no credibility whatsoever! At least, I use my wit to give myself the illusion that I know what I'm doing! HAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE SO STUPID, BARDIEL13!"

And if you're to dense to realize it, that's my parody of you. I don't literally expect you to write that, but I wouldn't have been the least surprise if you did.

Originally posted by KingDubya
Your point was saying that Bardiel is a dumbass who knows nothing, correct? I doubt I'm as ignorant as you think.

He doesn't even know when or how to use the attachment "'core", so he's an idiot for proposing it's a legitimate term.

Originally posted by KingDubya
Now, what if I feel like prolonging my presence, therefore resulting in your annoyance? Would you have a problem with that?

Nope, I'd just report you; You'd be warned and banned if you continue. Then that'd be that.

-AC

Originally posted by Silverstein
so basically we are debating about your opinion. Your opinion that you do not recognize certain genres and labels. THAT being an opinion, means there's no fact behind your argument, you lose. Grindcore and Metalcore are recognized. so YOU betta Recognize YO WORD OF MOUFFFF lol

Recognised by who? You and the rest of the people who think "Nintendocore" is a legitimate genre?

You're funny, like the court jester of this thread.

-AC

Originally posted by Bardiel13
AC, I wouldn't be talking about credibility, if I were you. From what I see, you're trying to use every little thing against me. I even put a disclaimer to show that I wasn't the most credible source, that it was just my impression from what I've heard. I did that so you wouldn't make an ass of yourself and do this. But you did. That really tells a lot about your character, man.

I know you're not credible, haha. Tell me something I don't know, like how you believe you know anything.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Oh, and KingDubya's right. Since I wasn't the most experienced in that field, because I wasn't sure if people would consider that Rapcore or not. Tell me, AC... Do you feel threatened by me? Hold on, I'll answer for you: "Of course, I don't you nincompoop! You should feel threatened by me! I'm right and you're wrong! Hawthorne Heights is 100% metal and deep down inside, you know it! You have no credibility whatsoever! At least, I use my wit to give myself the illusion that I know what I'm doing! HAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE SO STUPID, BARDIEL13!"

A self-hating parody, very telling. Even when you attempt to diss me you end up dissing yourself.

Moving on, there's a simple solution isn't there? If you can't define it, don't use it. It's that simple. Don't speak what you can't spell, heard that saying?

I don't feel threatened by you, Bardiel. You're providing nothing more for me than a post count and humourous reading material. I don't feel threatened by anyone when it comes to music, because I know enough. Unlike you I'm secure in my knowledge, I can back up what I say.

You're the one going around telling yourself that you've immersed yourself in metal, and therefore know what you're talking about. Who are you trying to convince, me or you?

-AC

i dont feel that Hawthorne is metal

Originally posted by Silverstein
i dont feel that Hawthorne is metal

It doesn't matter, they are. I'm not trying to get you to agree, because you won't, but that only means you're holding a flawed opinion.

-AC

how are they metal?

Have you not been reading the past pages? I class you as a silly teen, but I give you a bit more credit than to need spoonfeeding.

Go and read my posts.

-AC

I know you're not credible, haha. Tell me something I don't know, like how you believe you know anything.

It doesn't matter, they are. I'm not trying to get you to agree, because you won't, but that only means you're holding a flawed opinion.