Looked to me as if Thor was hit by a love tap that sent him flying out of the way of the blast radius. Any unbiased Judge would have scored this fight in Hulks favor, as Thor was the one being slammed and tossed.
Mjolnir in Thors hands, makes him more powerful. Gladiator as I stated earlier was stopped by the hammer, because Thors uses it to shield himself from energetic assaults.
I also noticed that Bruce wasn't fighting at his best either. I bet if he hit Thor with the power he displayed at the end of WWH 5 Thor would feel it. Any bets? Again people continue to compare the current Hulk in his weaker and smaller states, to the more current versions. Unlimited power is truly Unlimited power, the difference here is that Bruce starts out much stronger than he used to. It is not in Thors powerset to increase his strength, even in beserker mode he has a cap to his strength. If Thor had an infinity power in the strength dept, Perrikus would never have punked him, and The Beyonder would never have been able to guage his strength and make Kurse who he is today. He would have made Kurse with the ability to increase in strength as well. in the long run War Hulk will overpower Thor and kill him. Juggernaut would have been dusted by War as well if he was out to kill him. Something classic Thor could never do without bleeding his abilities from him via Mjolnir. Face it without the hammer Thor is not the toughest in the top tier, just like Bruce would have been killed long ago without his healing factor, but we cant take a characters powers away to suit a scenario. Hulk just has the stuff to take on Thor and other like him because this is who he is.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Looked to me as if Thor was hit by a love tap that sent him flying out of the way of the blast radius. Any unbiased Judge would have scored this fight in Hulks favor, as Thor was the one being slammed and tossed.Mjolnir in Thors hands, makes him more powerful. Gladiator as I stated earlier was stopped by the hammer, because Thors uses it to shield himself from energetic assaults.
I also noticed that Bruce wasn't fighting at his best either. I bet if he hit Thor with the power he displayed at the end of WWH 5 Thor would feel it. Any bets? Again people continue to compare the current Hulk in his weaker and smaller states, to the more current versions. Unlimited power is truly Unlimited power, the difference here is that Bruce starts out much stronger than he used to. It is not in Thors powerset to increase his strength, even in beserker mode he has a cap to his strength. If Thor had an infinity power in the strength dept, Perrikus would never have punked him, and The Beyonder would never have been able to guage his strength and make Kurse who he is today. He would have made Kurse with the ability to increase in strength as well. in the long run War Hulk will overpower Thor and kill him. Juggernaut would have been dusted by War as well if he was out to kill him. Something classic Thor could never do without bleeding his abilities from him via Mjolnir. Face it without the hammer Thor is not the toughest in the top tier, just like Bruce would have been killed long ago without his healing factor, but we cant take a characters powers away to suit a scenario. Hulk just has the stuff to take on Thor and other like him because this is who he is.
One more thing:
This "Unlimited Power" argument is trash.
I can also point out MANY times that Hulk needed unlimited power, and did not get it when he needed it.
Broken necks, getting devoured and chewed up, beaten in fights, flayed, blasted to his knees.
If he was always able to get this unlimited power so easily, none of these things would have ever happened.
His unlimited power is strictly theoretical. He CAN attain an unlimited amount of power, but no matter how mad he gets, it is not available instantaneously.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Thor has already shown he is capable of damaging Celestial technology. Why would War Hulks shell be any different from Exitar's. Unless you want to start arguing that War Hulk is also more powerful that Exitar.
Everything you said above, is strictly your opinion.
All the scuffle between War Hulk and Juggs proves, is that it wasn't going to be the walk in the park that Juggernaut is used to.
For once, somebody had him down. All that says, is that he was about to fight it out the way that everybody else usually fights it out.
Juggernaut has proven that he does not even need flesh to kick the crap out of his enemies. Why are you so sure that, even if War Hulk was able to stab Juggernaut, it would do anything other that get him mad?
A lot of people have been able to remove Cain's helmet, but they have not had any luck harming him.
Spiderman removed Juggernaut's helmet. It didn't mean he could hurt him.
Now, to say that his performance in those panels, will show how a battle between War Hulk and Thor would turn out, is ridiculous.
Thor has MANY more ranged attacks and choices available to him than Cain does.
And, by the way, the power that WWH showed, was nothing more than any other incarnation of Hulk has shown.
Just because some guy in a panel says that they are going to lose the eastern seaboard, does not make it so.
Thor has done a lot more than that anyway, with a strike.
As a side note, even IF Hulk can attain more strength than Thor, and that is an "IF", it doesn't mean he can beat him.
If Chuck Liddell goes into a gym, and finds a guy that can lift more weight than he can, does that mean that the weight lifter can beat Chuck? Of course not. So, let's put that to bed. And, to anybody that knows anything about striking, you know that strength does NOT equate to striking power.
Finally, anybody that says that Hulk does not sustain damage more often, and easier than Thor has, is a flat out liar.
Period. Hulk has been harmed in tons more instances than Thor, and in much worse ways, and by weaker foes. This is a fact.
First off Thors strike on Exitar was much like Goku summoning a spirit Bomb it took time, time which he would not be given in a fight with War. You are talking about the time that Thor soaked up loads of electromagnetics in order to pierce Exitars armor correct?
The very fact that Thor uses his hammer to strike indicates that it is Mjolnir that does the damage not Thor. The blast in WWH 5 was in fact a more impressive feat than Thor can do under his own power (No Mjolnir).
The very fact that The Hulk can recover from incredible damage that he takes, shows how much more resilient he is than Thor. I've seen Thor literally killed by being gutted by the Crusader!!! Oh I guess you forgot about that huh? The Hulk would laugh at such a puny attack. Thor is not more resilient to damage than the Hulk, if he was why does he always hide behind Mjolnir? you know why? because he was always vulnerable to piercing attacks, such as shell rounds from Abram tanks, if he wasn't, he would never use Mjolnir in the situations that he does.
Was it Thor or The Hulk that saved the day when Onslaught was on a rampage? Yep it was Bruce that saved the day. I imagine that if Thor Liddell was on the receiving end of the punch that cracked Onslaught's armor that he (Thor) would have been just fine huh! Not likely, I'm pretty sure that that punch would have killed Thor straight out and he would have had to respawn in Asgard, and that is "IF" he was capable of being resurrected after the damage that his carcass would have sustained by that thunderous blow. The answer here is that Thor was as much of a punk as the rest of the heros were on that day. There goes your theory on striking power and who hits harder with their natural gifts.
If thor fought The Hulk (King Green) without his precious Mjolnir he'd be turned to paste, Thor does not heal the Hulk does, and one guy that could put the big hurt on your boy Goldilocks, is none other than you guessed it... The Incredible War Hulk. Come on admit it War wins all day long. 😉
Originally posted by Horrificus
One more thing:This "Unlimited Power" argument is trash.
I can also point out MANY times that Hulk needed unlimited power, and did not get it when he needed it.
Broken necks, getting devoured and chewed up, beaten in fights, flayed, blasted to his knees.
If he was always able to get this unlimited power so easily, none of these things would have ever happened.
His unlimited power is strictly theoretical. He CAN attain an unlimited amount of power, but no matter how mad he gets, it is not available instantaneously.
Which is exactly the point that i was making. Bruce is now a true class 100, meaning he starts way up on the pole, all he has to do is get a little angry and his power overshadows Thors in instants. The Hulk has gotten his heart pulled out and he was fine. Thor was stabbed by a broad sword and needed his pops to stitch him up.
this is getting ridiculous.
face it, Thor is uber and cool and a lot more flexible but ffs Hulk was trading blows with creatures Thor's just not capable of. Hulk took the fight to Onslaught and Hulk demonstrated that he can - and will - overpower even Onslaught's immense physical might (punking/pawning Juggernaut and slapping him across a continent leaving him a debilitated, frightened wreck). Hulk's put down/smashed things that are meant to fight/takedown Celestials, now we can safely say that they obviously wouldn't last against Celestials but they are clearly designed to be very very tough and Hulk's them down too.
Hulk's strength, durability, stamina, healing and regeneration are beyond Thor's capacity. way beyond.
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ah, cool scans Guy 🙂.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
We are talking about War here right? not Savage Hulk, or Maestro. From all indications, War was able to do what Thor could not do, and that is physically stop Cain. War did better he actually stopped him dead and threw him away as if he was a paper weight.
Slowing Cain is, and has always been stated as doable. War stopped Cain but that was after he started glowing. Thor stopped Cain also. Throwing Cain has always been doable also. It's not like he was going anywhere at the moment. Thor's Godblast didn't just stop Juggernaut but also pushed him back too.
Durability? Hulk was phased into the cement and was able to rip himself free, when this happened to Thor he was helpless.
To be honest, as little as physics play a part in these things. Thor was dropped straight down to his waist. Half of his body was fully immersed in way that left him little leverage. IIR didn't Kitty phase Hulk in the hands/knees pose. He had plenty of leverage to rip himself free.
War was amped to unimaginable levels via Celestial tech. Classic Thor would likely be pulverized if he mixed it up with him, Just like Cain was. Just remember Thor has never gotten the best of cain without magic, War did.
I don't know if that last statement is really true. That was one of the talking points of Thanos/Odin - the source of power vs the end effects. War was that powerful b/c of Celestial Tech which in the past has proven capable of trumping Asgardian magic (The Destroyer). Celestial Tech was War's magical hammer.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
First off Thors strike on Exitar was much like Goku summoning a spirit Bomb it took time, time which he would not be given in a fight with War. You are talking about the time that Thor soaked up loads of electromagnetics in order to pierce Exitars armor correct?
War did have a certain amount of swagger to his portrayal. Perhaps he would give Thor the time needed.
What's the deal with your your last scan guy222? Did Thor offer to get rid of Mjolnir and then sling it at Hulk's face? 😆
Originally posted by janus77
this is getting ridiculous.
face it, Thor is uber and cool and a lot more flexible but ffs Hulk was trading blows with creatures Thor's just not capable of. Hulk took the fight to Onslaught and Hulk demonstrated that he can - and will - overpower even Onslaught's immense physical might (punking/pawning Juggernaut and slapping him across a continent leaving him a debilitated, frightened wreck). Hulk's put down/smashed things that are meant to fight/takedown Celestials, now we can safely say that they obviously wouldn't last against Celestials but they are clearly designed to be very very tough and Hulk's them down too.Hulk's strength, durability, stamina, healing and regeneration are beyond Thor's capacity. way beyond.
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ah, cool scans Guy 🙂.
Actually, Thor was the one who took down Onslaught, remember? The Hulk did as Onslaught wanted and made him invincible. Then Thor sacrificed himself. It was also stated that Thor would be able to take down Onslaught if he could've summoned his warrior madness form, but he wasn't capable of.
Also, until one of those "Celestials busters" you talk about all the time, actually stand up to a celestial, they suck.
When's the last time the Hulk stood up to a Skyfather for Months?
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
First off Thors strike on Exitar was much like Goku summoning a spirit Bomb it took time, time which he would not be given in a fight with War. You are talking about the time that Thor soaked up loads of electromagnetics in order to pierce Exitars armor correct?
Wrong, that was just an EMP blast.
The Godblast is different, though it took time as well. Against the Juggernaut though it didn't take any time at all.
This is quoted from Llagrok.
"Actually, Thor was the one who took down Onslaught, remember? The Hulk did as Onslaught wanted and made him invincible. Then Thor sacrificed himself. It was also stated that Thor would be able to take down Onslaught if he could've summoned his warrior madness form, but he wasn't capable of. "
You can be a Patriots fan but, that does not mean that you helped them make history. Thor did not beat Onslaught's physical form, Onslaught was physically beaten by Bruce. The rest of the Hero's along with Thor finished him off, anyone have scans?
looks to me as if Thor without the Mjolnir was taking the worst of the fight, from a less powerful version of the Hulk, unless the Thor fans were seeing something else. What i saw was that if The Hulk did not leave the battle on his own he would have eventually killed Thor (If it bleeds it can die). Thor was bleeding and his face kinda looked like Sentry's at the end of WWHulk 5, the hulk was still fresh and ready to go for another month or two Thor was on his last legs. Scans prove this. In the last Avengers story Hercules and Thor brought the Hulk and the Thing with them to fight in a Gods war, Thor, hercules, and Thing did no return can you guess who did? Yep The Hulk so it could be feasible that Zeus was defeated in said war if I am right. Am I saying that the Hulk could beat the hell out of Zeus in a physical confrontation? Possibly. That of course is going way off subject.
Thor VS War? War wins this every time. The poor rebuttals used in an attempt to answer my earlier post was a weak one, and filled with speculation, so I will repost it once again so that the people can read it over, and answer the question as to how Thor, heals like the Hulk does? he does not, while Hulk is always fresh and ready to go.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
First off Thors strike on Exitar was much like Goku summoning a spirit Bomb it took time, time which he would not be given in a fight with War. You are talking about the time that Thor soaked up loads of electromagnetics in order to pierce Exitars armor correct?The very fact that Thor uses his hammer to strike indicates that it is Mjolnir that does the damage not Thor. The blast in WWH 5 was in fact a more impressive feat than Thor can do under his own power (No Mjolnir).
The very fact that The Hulk can recover from incredible damage that he takes, shows how much more resilient he is than Thor. I've seen Thor literally killed by being gutted by the Crusader!!! Oh I guess you forgot about that huh? The Hulk would laugh at such a puny attack. Thor is not more resilient to damage than the Hulk, if he was why does he always hide behind Mjolnir? you know why? because he was always vulnerable to piercing attacks, such as shell rounds from Abram tanks, if he wasn't, he would never use Mjolnir in the situations that he does.
Was it Thor or The Hulk that saved the day when Onslaught was on a rampage? Yep it was Bruce that saved the day. I imagine that if Thor Liddell was on the receiving end of the punch that cracked Onslaught's armor that he (Thor) would have been just fine huh! Not likely, I'm pretty sure that that punch would have killed Thor straight out and he would have had to respawn in Asgard, and that is "IF" he was capable of being resurrected after the damage that his carcass would have sustained by that thunderous blow. The answer here is that Thor was as much of a punk as the rest of the heros were on that day. There goes your theory on striking power and who hits harder with their natural gifts.
If thor fought The Hulk (King Green) without his precious Mjolnir he'd be turned to paste, Thor does not heal the Hulk does, and one guy that could put the big hurt on your boy Goldilocks, is none other than you guessed it... The Incredible War Hulk. Come on admit it War wins all day long. 😉