Originally posted by Larceny
Hulk >>> Thor, um who cares? When did strength become the only meaningful attribute when discussing vs battles?Anyways, I'e provided these scans once already, but Hulk was never portrayed as much stronger than Thor.
And you say Thor jobs,that alone is a bigass batch of bullshit.
Get that out of here.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Guess what...
The panel that you say shows Juggernaut "STOPPED", looks the same as the previous panel.
The panel was never shown to depict Juggernaut being stopped, and it doesn't.
It was just a build up to the big throw.To say that what the writer says is irrelevant is ridiculous. Who are you to say that, and expect others to have to go along with that.
Geez. If it works like that, I say that the Juggernaut won that fight by using his "lay down and get his helmet popped off" move! Yup, I interpret that as a win for Juggernaut. 😄
You are probably also one of those fanboys that says that when WWH was glowing he was at his most powerful, because he was glowing. Hehe.
Wishful thinking and artistic interpretation have no place in this forum.
It is what it is on panel. Feats are more important than your love of a character.
Wow,let this be a lesson to all those who say Hulk Fanboys are bad,get a load of this guy.
You know its bad when BadAsh steps in to defend Hulk.(No offense)
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I am still waiting for him to show me where the writer said warhulk didnt stop juggernaut.
Dude, we all know that War stopped Juggernaut, which is considered a strength feat. If you really want to dig deep into the very context of what War did it highlights... No! it indicates, that War overpowered Cyttorak himself. Anyone that is familiar with the Juggernaut and his powerset knows that in order for the Juggernaut to continue ploughing through something he draws on power given to him by his master, and in this case his master had nothing left to give him. This is something that Thor of 4 years ago could never overcome, but because War was able to stop him, those in Thor's corner want attempt to ignore the feat, and try to make it look like War never accomplished what the very writer and artist together portrayed to happen. War Stopped Juggernaut, and WWHulk achieved an even greater strength level in the X-Men by nearly bringing Cain to a full stop earlier than even War did. I have no doubt that if WWHulk continued to grapple with Cain he would have stopped him again. Thor attempted to stop Juggernaut once and
he ended up being nearly crushed to death in Cains bear hug.
The use of Juggernaut is to show the barrier in which classic Thor can not cross over. Thor has been measured and found wanting.
This is how it the totem pole looks
1. Hulk
2. Juggernaut
3. Thor
Oh yea! I forgot about trusty old Mjolnir, I've seen a less powerful Hulk get between Thor and his hammer, who's to say that War would even allow Thor to take swings at him? Outside of a hollow and cheap victory via BFR Thor is done for.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Dude, we all know that War stopped Juggernaut, which is considered a strength feat. If you really want to dig deep into the very context of what War did it highlights... No! it indicates, that War overpowered Cyttorak himself. Anyone that is familiar with the Juggernaut and his powerset knows that in order for the Juggernaut to continue ploughing through something he draws on power given to him by his master, and in this case his master had nothing left to give him. This is something that Thor of 4 years ago could never overcome, but because War was able to stop him, those in Thor's corner want attempt to ignore the feat, and try to make it look like War never accomplished what the very writer and artist together portrayed to happen. War StoppedJuggernaut, and WWHulk acheived an even greater strength level in the X-Men by nearly bringing Cain to a full stop earlier than even War did. I have no doubt that if WWHulk continued to grapple with Cain he would have stopped him again. Thor attempted to stop Juggernaut once and
he ended up being nearly crushed to death in Cains bear hug.The use of Juggernaut is to show the barrier in which classic Thor can not cross over. Thor has been measured and found wanting.
This is how it the totem pole looks
1. Hulk
2. Juggernaut
3. Thor
Oh yea! I forgot about trusty old Mjolnir, I've seen a less powerful Hulk get between Thor and his hammer, who's to say that War would even allow Thor to take swings at him? Outside of a hollow and cheap victory via BFR Thor is done for.
To my knowledge the writer has stated that wwh didnt stop juggs I have never heard anyone claim that warhulk didnt stop juggs until now.I am not getting involved in this whole hulk vs thor debate cause i really dont care.It was just interesting to me how he came up with warhulk didnt stop juggs.
I think the writer initially stated that WWH did indeed stop juggernaut. later he attempted to introduce vagueness into his comments (as the picture basically demonstrated WWH stopping juggernaut, all within the context of a Hulk that wasn't at all interested in beating down juggernaut) with the whole 'he stopped juggernaut's forward momentum and redirected it downwards, endangering the mansion'.
this of course begs the question as to what exactly prevented Thor from ever achieving that when he grappled with juggernaut? why WarHulk took ages to achieve that, when he fought juggernaut? ...
'cos if you can 'redirect juggernaut's forward momentum', when standing straight in front of him, then it means that juggernaut's forward momentum ran into something more powerful than itself 🙂.
Originally posted by janus77
he has to have 'low showings' or else there's really no tension in the fights.ultimately with these hypothetical battles, we have to take into account that the primary purpose of a comic is entertainment, not rigorous internal logic nor faithful renditions of character powersets.
I just think that Marvel have made it plain enough that Hulk is, for all intents and purposes, a being of infinite strength with some added - unusual - abilities in the way of physically manipulating intangible things.
the low showings can simply be chalked upto a lack of real determination on the part of The Hulk (which he's shown often enough, letting Thor off, walking away from juggernaut etc, because he's no longer "angry"😉 or Banner determinedly preventing Hulk from cutting loose, knowing that he'd rather Hulk/Banner died (which, it seems he can't) than be responsible for the destruction of the world.
Banner clearly knows that he can destroy the world if he so chooses to do, and he clearly has attempted to prevent himself from doing that.
anyway, that's just rationalising, and that's all we've really got. seeing as how comics are fundamentally indifferent to logic or reason, just like religious texts 🙂.
I agree I just dont want to seem biased.
Originally posted by Horrificus
The writer of that storyline even said that War Hulk did NOT stop Juggernaut. He threw him.
If you want to argue that Hulk didnt stop Juggs after reading on panel evidence theres no reasoning with you. Furthermore if the writers say that something happened and what happened on panel is different what the writers mean dont mean ****. On panel evidence clearly shows War Hulk stopped him.
Originally posted by Horrificus
And, since when is Hulk resistant to energy and matter manipulation?
Try Never.
😐 You're wrong have a look at the respect thread.
Originally posted by Horrificus
As far as ripping off the armor, if Hulk can do it, Juggs and Thor can.
Since it was not shown that there was any special password or switch, we have to take the on-panel action as fact. He tore off the armor.
Seriously, are you saying that he pressed the "Be able to tear off the armor" button?
Juggernaut was not interested in tearing off the armor, because he was too busy posturing, since he has always been able to bully the Hulk around. And, always will be.
All the war armor has been shown to do, is have a tentacle, make Hulk stronger, and give him a sword.
That's it. There is absolutely nothing on panel that shows he can BEAT Juggernaut or Thor.
Nothing.
You want me to explain again?