What if Batman had taken the Super Soldier Serum? Can he beat Captain America now?

Originally posted by marvelprince
What are you talking about? That Marvel vs DC where the fans voted? The one nothing else but popularity mattered? Where Lobo lost to Wolverine? Yeah, thats what you should base your opinion on. 🙄

If you want to use an actual crossover use JLAvengers which is canon. Bats and Cap were sizing each other up when Batman said its conceivable for you to beat me, it'd just take a long time. And later on in the series Prometheus who owned Bruce a while back tried to take on Cap using Batman's fighting abilities and lost (pretty badly too)

Either way, Bats certainly wins the majority with the serum.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Cap needs the Serum to be Bats equal as Batman is all natural. Give Batman the juice and..........well you get the idea.

Batman wins.

Cap needs the serum to be on Batman's level? Cap w/ the serum has higher (albeit slighly) abilities than Batman. Do you know how the serum works? It doesn't build on what you have, it just takes you to the top, to a preset level. Batman is practically already on that level so it wouldn't do as much as your implying.

Originally posted by Juntai
But Batman's butler beat Promethius too, so that Cap>Prom>Bats thing is pretty useless. [Bruce himself has also beat him multiple times]

Either way, Bats certainly wins the majority with the serum.

I hope your not refering to that Hush returns storyline because that character was never intended to be Promethuis. It was supposed to be Onomatopoeia but Kevin Smith didn't want his character used so they just replaced him in the script. Thats besides the point anyway since I was only illustrating how crossovers shouldn't be taken as fact.

Even with the serum Cap still wins

let me put this to the floor...

Batman spent 15 years touring the far east, he is a master of EVERY form of known combat. FIFTEEN YEARS!!!

exactly when did cap learn his skills again??? i missed that part in the origin..

As far as i can tell, he had about enough time for one judo lesson before they threw him on the front lines.

imagine hitler's surprise when his elite commandos were roundly thrashed by a bodybuilder hoying a dustbin lid around the place...

bats all the way, no contest.

*rolls eyes*

Good argument.

Batman is teh kewler! Eh winz!!!

Meh.

I still stand by these approximations: (they vary depending on my frame of reference and mood, so they may not be exactly as they were earlier)

Bruce Wayne vs. Steve Rogers - Steve 8-9/10
SSS Bruce Wayne vs. Steve Rogers - draw, 5/10.
Batman vs. Captain America - Captain America 6-7/10
SSS Batman vs. Captain America - SSS Batman 6-7/10

Hopefully you can guess the difference between Bruce Wayne and Batman. Likewise, the difference between Steve Rogers and Captain America.

and the super serum makes cap a good fighter, how?

it's not a long jump contest, it's a fight, dude.

remind me again when rogers learned all his combat skills?....

Originally posted by kolya01
and the super serum makes cap a good fighter, how?

it's not a long jump contest, it's a fight, dude.

remind me again when rogers learned all his combat skills?....

Immediately after he took the serum. He was taught mostly Americian Judo and Boxing but was also extensively trained in other fighting styles that were out there. None of that really matters though since Cap has his own fighting style. In the prescribed matchup Cap and Bruce are basically all on equal footing in terms of strength, agility etc. Deciding factor is that Cap has shield. Even though Bruce has a sword he is nowhere are skilled with it as Cap is with his shield. If they were weaponless this would go the other way but Cap w/ his shield take this

trained extensively????

15 years is extensive training. cap had 12 months tops. (and nowhere near that in the original origin stories).

Originally posted by marvelprince
None of that really matters though since Cap has his own fighting style.

"Bruce Wayne vs. Steve Rogers - Steve 8-9/10"

Based on? 🤨

lol

i was thinking the same. I have my own style

it's crap.

but i have it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

"Bruce Wayne vs. Steve Rogers - Steve 8-9/10"

Based on? 🤨

Based on? My opinion, obviously. Just as any 'out of ten approximation' is based on the poster's opinion. Said opinion, however, stems from Steve's superior physique (in fact, a case can be made for his VASTLY superior physique. Not to say that Batman isn't strong, but I don't think it is quite as close as some make it out to be. Not to mention, I don't think Batman has ever managed to run a one-minute mile.) In addition Steve claims higher durability and longevity. Assuming that Rogers doesn't allow Bruce one of his 'leopard' blows, I can't see him losing very many rounds, especially if their skill is approximately equal.

yes but this is Bats with SSS. meaning they're literally equal in terms of all physical aspects. but Bats is smarter and a slightly better fighter.

HOW IS THEIR SKILL EQUAL???????

fifteen years versus 5 minutes!!!! grrrrr.

granted steve's strength and durability is better, but Batman is the most skilled combatant on earth - period. no contest.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
yes but this is Bats with SSS. meaning they're literally equal in terms of all physical aspects. but Bats is smarter and a slightly better fighter.

*nods* And I mentioned that. X was referring to normal Bruce Wayne (hence, no batsuit/gadgets) versus normal Captain America (hence, no shield or chain mail).

When it is Super Soldier Serum Bruce versus Captain America, the odds go to an even split.

Originally posted by rotiart
I'd agree pretty much.

Batman as regularly shown, is not meant for the straight up fight. He's more.. i'll take you in the dark by surprise.

Btw. you don't need to know 127 fighting styles. You need to know how to win in a fight. A guy that picks up a book and studies all the stances and moves, but never spars, is going down a lot more than a street fighter thats gotten into scraps and has a sixth sense pretty much when it comes to fighting.

However batman i'd say with gadgets 3-4 out of ten. with serum 6/10. And I love cap.

However, both without gadgets, armor etc.. but at the cap level of peak body... I'd say it goes 5/10 both ways.

cap would lose if batman got "suped up"

Wow, if that's what you believe, then you know absolutely nothing about Batman. 🙄

Originally posted by batdude123
Wow, if that's what you believe, then you know absolutely nothing about Batman. 🙄

Haha, though I disagree with your standpoint in this particular thread, I HAVE to agree with you on this point. Batman is a MAGNIFICENT fighter, he knows how to win a fight. He is one of the best fighters in DC, for sure. (Excluding Karate kid -_-).

He has beaten Lady Shiva, Cassie, Richard Dragon. Jesus, I'm having trouble THINKING of a better fighter than him right this second, :-P.

that's cos there isn't one.

hmmm...how about deathstroke though?...

Originally posted by Soljer
He has beaten Lady Shiva, Cassie, Richard Dragon. Jesus, I'm having trouble THINKING of a better fighter than him right this second, :-P.

*laughs his ass off*

Well...you know, the Batkick IS related to the source, after all.... 😉.

Oh, and Deathstroke is a better tactician, and better strategist. However, I don't consider him to be Batman's superior in a straight up fight.

Again, I could be incorrect, though.

Originally posted by kolya01
HOW IS THEIR SKILL EQUAL???????

fifteen years versus 5 minutes!!!! grrrrr.

granted steve's strength and durability is better, but Batman is the most skilled combatant on earth - period. no contest.

Don't debate semantics. How could Cap learn to fight in "5 minutes"? How the hell can Batman learn 127 styles in only 15 years? Its a comic thats how