Paedophile party allowed to run for election

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, I think 12 or 13 sounds like a decent line. Generally it is about giving them the opportunity tpo decide, and a line is generally against individualism, but I would say 12 and below is acceptable to deny this freedom.

I agree we have to protect children (just like every other citizen), but there is a difference between taking away a freedom and protect in an acceptable manner. Rape will still be rape...why do we need two laws for that.

It's giving them the opportunity to be taken advantage of from adults whom children usually look up too for guidance. This law is not about giving children more rights, no matter how you or this pedophile party slices it.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's giving them the opportunity to be taken advantage of from adults whom children usually look up too for guidance. This law is not about giving children more rights, no matter how you or this pedophile party slices it.

Otherwie it's taken them the opportunity to have sexual intercourse with whoever they please.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Otherwie it's taken them the opportunity to have sexual intercourse with whoever they please.

No... Society realizes that children develop in stages and children do not always make the best choices for themselves, they are not mature enough to realize the consequences; if we allowed children to do what ever whim came to them, society wouldn't exist. Also mentioned before, children look up to adults, so an adult could easily coerce a child into having sex. That's the same as preying of someone weaker than yourself because you can and that doesn't make it right.

Your stance of 'This is for the rights of children' is the same exact stance as the pedophile party and it's wrong; luckily the vast majority of people realize this and pedophilia is illegal.

Yeah, but what is the line? Why is lets say 16 or 18 better than 12?

Society takes freedom away by saying they are not mature enough. that is not fair. To take advantage of a person be it 12, 20 or 70 is not accepted in our society. There is no reason to protect children beyond that. It's just generally seen as sick and disgusting. Fair enough, but don't take them the chance to mature sexually as they please. It doesn't necessarily screw up the child, it's not justified to do what we do.

My stance is reasonable, sadly the vast majority of people become insane and stupid when hearing "paedophilia" ...they are conditioned well.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but what is the line? Why is lets say 16 or 18 better than 12?

Society takes freedom away by saying they are not mature enough. that is not fair. To take advantage of a person be it 12, 20 or 70 is not accepted in our society. There is no reason to protect children beyond that. It's just generally seen as sick and disgusting. Fair enough, but don't take them the chance to mature sexually as they please. It doesn't necessarily screw up the child, it's not justified to do what we do.

My stance is reasonable, sadly the vast majority of people become insane and stupid when hearing "paedophilia" ...they are conditioned well.

Wrong... A child does not need to experience sex with an adult to mature sexually, I fooled around with girls my own age when I was young as just about any other person in the world has. That's part of sexually maturing. But a child does not need an adult to take them there. You act as if these pedophiles just want to love and care for these children as a parent would, that is wrong, they want to use them as sexual tools, period.

No, your stance is not reasonable, you propose children being taken advantage of. Do not blame the vast majority of people on being "insane and stupid" or "conditioned" because society doesn't support your views.

Call it any other name and it is still the same thing. The name means nothing.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong... A child does not need to experience sex with an adult to mature sexually, I fooled around with girls my own age when I was young as just about any other person in the world has. That's part of sexually maturing. But a child does not need an adult to take them there. You act as if these pedophiles just want to love and care for these children as a parent would, that is wrong, they want to use them as sexual tools, period.

No, your stance is not reasonable, you propose children being taken advantage of. Do not blame the vast majority of people on being "insane and stupid" or "conditioned" because society doesn't support your views.

Call it any other name and it is still the same thing. The name means nothing.

I do not at all, you make a major difference between children and adults. That is weird. And it is true that most people can not keep a logical approach when talking about paedophilia. "We need to protect our children" is not a valuable argument, in fact it is very stupid...we protect everyone...why children especially?

Lets not forget that other societies functioned incredibly well with paedophilia being an accepted sexual behaviour.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It does not need, but it should have the right o do if it desires it. Also, " they want to use them as sexual tools, period", that's a incredibly stupid view, do you know everyone on there....can you read minds?

I do not at all, you make a major difference between children and adults. That is weird. And it is true that most people can not keep a logical approach when talking about paedophilia. "We need to protect our children" is not a valuable argument, in fact it is very stupid...we protect everyone...why children especially?

Lets not forget that other societies functioned incredibly well with paedophilia being an accepted sexual behaviour.

And a child does not need many other rights, like the right to smoke, drive a car, own a gun, drink alcohol and vote, yet society realizes that children are not mentally and physically mature enough to do these things because they do not realize the consequences.

There is a MAJOR difference between children and adults and you know this, one being maturity and knowing the consequences of your actions and choices. You say people cannot take a logical approach towards pedophilia? WTF? I am giving you logical reasons why.

Societies functioned incredibly well with many things that are done away with. Rome wouldn't have been Rome without slaves; does that mean it was right? No it doesn't and society has realized that slavery is wrong and progressed beyond it. People used to be burned alive because of supposed devil worship and witchcraft, that is done away with too.

Originally posted by Bardock42
"We need to protect our children" is not a valuable argument, in fact it is very stupid...we protect everyone...why children especially?

I thought it was obvious.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Lets not forget that other societies functioned incredibly well with paedophilia being an accepted sexual behaviour.

Just because its accepted that makes it ok? The Romans also used to watch people kill themselves for fun so that makes it ok as well.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I thought it was obvious.

Just because its accepted that makes it ok? The Romans also used to watch people kill themselves for fun so that makes it ok as well.

No, I am saying that the people that participated in it were not screwed up or taken advantage of.

Look, if the child want sto have sex it should be allowed to have it, if it is forced to have sex that is rape. Easy as that. Child and society protected while still having freedoms.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I am saying that the people that participated in it were not screwed up or taken advantage of.

And you asked me if I could read minds....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Look, if the child want sto have sex it should be allowed to have it, if it is forced to have sex that is rape. Easy as that. Child and society protected while still having freedoms.

And as responsible adults we do not allow children to do every little thing they want too. We realize maturity and realizing consequences generally comes with age. Where do you draw the line then? Why not allow a 7 year old to have sex or a 13 year old to vote?

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I am saying that the people that participated in it were not screwed up or taken advantage of.

People were not screwed up by seeing people kill each other either

Originally posted by Bardock42

Look, if the child want sto have sex it should be allowed to have it, if it is forced to have sex that is rape. Easy as that. Child and society protected while still having freedoms.

Well i'll tell you one thing if people keep going on about sex, sex,sex then they will want to have sex.

Originally posted by Alfheim
People were not screwed up by seeing people kill each other either

Well i'll tell you one thing if people keep going on about sex, sex,sex then they will want to have sex.

And if they want sex they can have it....with whoever they want.

...............................I really dont know what to say....I can't even beilieve we are discussing this.

What next? Is it ok to have gladitorialy games were people kill each other.

Anyway there is nothing I can say that rotbard hasn't said.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And if they want sex they can have it....with whoever they want.

"Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity party (PNVD), which wants to cut the age of consent from 16 to 12 and to legalise child pornography"

Originally posted by Robtard
"Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity party (PNVD), which wants to cut the age of consent from 16 to 12 and to legalise child pornography"

And?

Originally posted by Robtard
"Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity party (PNVD), which wants to cut the age of consent from 16 to 12 and to legalise child pornography"

Hmmma and then of course they would try to slip in sado masochism as well. Do people really think they are going to stop at 12?

Its like the neo-nazis they pretend to be sincere but they just use the law to get away with what they can.

At twelve most people haven't even gone through puberty

Originally posted by Bardock42
And?

What do you mean....and? Isn't it obvious?

Have you seen this????? People who try to promote such things are just trying to use the system

Originally posted by Kryzula
Pedophiles do not care about children. They see them as objects. Period.

Children are taught that adults know what is best for them. They are taught to respect their elders. Pedophiles twist this in order to brainwash children into having sex with them. Consent? I don't think so.

The PNVD does not have credibility. They are NOT a group of law abiding citizens. A prominent member of this group by the
name of Ad van den Berg was convicted of molesting an 11 year old boy in 1987. If these people stand for consensual sex then why did one of their members molest that little boy? =/

~ Kryzula

Originally posted by Alfheim
What do you mean....and? Isn't it obvious?

I am not sure what the obvious thing in relation to what I was saying is.

Originally posted by dani_california
At twelve most people haven't even gone through puberty