Originally posted by dani_california
sex with a minor is considered rape even if they consent
Originally posted by Robtard
And you assume that a 12 year old is mature enough to make the decision on having sex with a 40 year old. Where do you draw the line? Why not let a 7 year old have sex with a 30 year old if she/he says they know what they are doing? Why not let a 12 year old vote or a 13 year old drive a car if they say they are mature enough and ready?
Yeah, I agree, best would be to judge in each individual case, that is a bit to complicated though, I think 12 sounds good and if they don't want to have sex then fair enough. I don't think we have to protect people from themselves...
Originally posted by Bardock42
They won't legalize it though..not for now. Would be a step in the rioght direction though.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you are kidding right? Why 16? What the ****?
16 is what it is now. where i live at least. i can't imagine it getting any younger than that. and i hope it doesn't , but that's probably cause that's just what i've come to accept
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah and that is what is argued to be changed...so again, your point?Yeah, I agree, best would be to judge in each individual case, that is a bit to complicated though, I think 12 sounds good and if they don't want to have sex then fair enough. I don't think we have to protect people from themselves...
We are not talking about just any person or persons, we are talking about children; there is a difference between an adult and a child. You know this.
Originally posted by Robtard
We are not talking about just any person or persons, we are talking about children; there is a difference between an adult and a child. You know this.
Yeah. Well I think as long as they are children their parents should take care of them, so I can see why the Government would deny them the ability to give consent. Fair enough. Buit from at least 12 on I think people can make decisions for themselves.
Originally posted by Robtard
Again, we're not talking about a 17 being with a 19 year old, though still illegal the justice system see's a difference as the punishment is not as severe as a 14 being with a 40 year old. You do not see a difference and claim a 14 year old can give consent and is mature enough to know the consequences.
A 14 year can give Consent. They do so all the time with each other. What makes the consent any different or non existance when it's given to an adult ? What you are claiming is not fact, but bias.
Admit it.....you're opinion isn't bad, it's just not fact.
Originally posted by Robtard
Sex is a great thing, I agree, but we're talking about children having sex with adults here; there is a difference. I beg to differ, sex can be very dangerous (HIV) and would you trust a 14 year old is mature enough to understand the consequences of having sex with a 40 year old who has possibly been around while you wouldn't trust him/her with driving?
As long as both sexual partners get tested and use birth control, I don't see a problem.
If the "child" or rather, teenager, understands what he or she is doing, and consents to it, i don't see a problem. You are generalizing by saying that 14 and 15 year olds don't know what sex is, or lack the ability to give consent. They have that ability, and most 14 and 15 year olds already know what they want out of sex...pleasure...which is what most people want out of it. 😉
Originally posted by Robtard
Is this 14 year old old enough to know about protection him or herself from STD's or pregnancy?
I was when I was 14. That's the first time I used a condom. At age 18 i almost got a girl pregnant......
I am actually less responsible now then I was at age 14, cuz at 14 i was very scared and nervous about sex. Now it's so casual for me, I don't think about it too much.
Since when does Age automatically determine responsiblity ? You are making unfair generalizations again..... ❌
Originally posted by Robtard
Great, you were mature enough to get f#cked by and 24 year old when you were 14, I understand; you are super special. But you're using you're own personal experience to say it should be legal and alright for other peoples children.
I am not super special ❌ Thanks for the compliment tho 😄
What I am saying is that many 14 and 15 year olds DO know what they are getting themselves into, and some of them don't. I think it's the parents who should put limits on thier children, not the government.
Originally posted by Robtard
Did I never say it's immoral? Have I brought up any kind of religious stance? I just happen to realize that children are not old enough to always make the right decision for themselves and as adults we protect them from making bad choices as best we can.
And since when are adults always responsible ? Are you saying that adults never make bad choices, and that adult choices are always better than teenage choices ?
Please....if that were the case, this world wouldn't be in such a conflicted ****ed up state..... 🙄
Originally posted by Robtard
I'd rather be an idiot than a chicken-hawk, so sure.
That's you. I totally understand your stance man. I don't disagree with you too much. This is what you and me have in common:
1) We both think Peadophilia is nasty
2) We don't think 8 year olds should be having sex with adults
3) Neither of us would want our 14/15 year olds having sex with someone our own age....
However, the differences are:
1) I recognize existance of Consent, when you choose to pretend it doesn't exist.
2) You think all peadophiles are evil rapists, and that is not the case. ❌ Get over it. Does it make it easier for you to hate someone when you stereotype and demonize them that way ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
A 14 year can give Consent. They do so all the time with each other. What makes the consent any different or non existance when it's given to an adult ? What you are claiming is not fact, but bias.Admit it.....you're opinion isn't bad, it's just not fact.
As long as both sexual partners get tested and use birth control, I don't see a problem.
If the "child" or rather, teenager, understands what he or she is doing, and consents to it, i don't see a problem. You are generalizing by saying that 14 and 15 year olds don't know what sex is, or lack the ability to give consent. They have that ability, and most 14 and 15 year olds already know what they want out of sex...pleasure...which is what most people want out of it. 😉
I was when I was 14. That's the first time I used a condom. At age 18 i almost got a girl pregnant......
I am actually less responsible now then I was at age 14, cuz at 14 i was very scared and nervous about sex. Now it's so casual for me, I don't think about it too much.
Since when does Age automatically determine responsiblity ? You are making unfair generalizations again..... ❌
I am not super special ❌ Thanks for the compliment tho 😄
What I am saying is that many 14 and 15 year olds DO know what they are getting themselves into, and some of them don't. I think it's the parents who should put limits on thier children, not the government.
And since when are adults always responsible ? Are you saying that adults never make bad choices, and that adult choices are always better than teenage choices ?
Please....if that were the case, this world wouldn't be in such a conflicted ****ed up state..... 🙄
That's you. I totally understand your stance man. I don't disagree with you too much. This is what you and me have in common:
1) We both think Peadophilia is nasty
2) We don't think 8 year olds should be having sex with adults
3) Neither of us would want our 14/15 year olds having sex with someone our own age....
However, the differences are:
1) I recognize existance of Consent, when you choose to pretend it doesn't exist.
2) You think [b]all
peadophiles are evil rapists, and that is not the case. ❌ Get over it. Does it make it easier for you to hate someone when you stereotype and demonize them that way ? [/B]
This is going in circles and circles with you and Bardock now who thinks that 12 and not your 14 is old enough for a child to make a choice about having sex with adults...
We as a society realize that children do not always make the best choices for themselves that is why we have age limit restrictions. We realize that maturity generally comes with age. If we realize that a 13 year old kid does not have the life experience to be trusted on making a conscience decision like voting for a president, or driving a car why do you think they can willfully make a choice to have sex like and adult and with an adult?
Kids can consent to having sex with people in their own age group, that is part of growing up, we all do it and it is a step in our maturity process, but a 14 year old does not need to learn sex from a 40 year old. Children look up to adults for guidance and are very impressionable, it would be easy in most cases fro an adult to coerce a child into having sex against his/her will.
Pedophilia is sick by nature of it, so ya, I think all pedophiles are sick. If a grown man/woman needs to resort to having sex with children to get off instead of having sex with another adult it is sick. I could really care less what two consenting adults do, be it vanilla sex or coprophilia, but leave the kids out of it.
If you really think that pedophilia is wrong why do you stand by and allow your friend of 30 to have sex with a 14 year old? What would the childs parents say if they knew?
Originally posted by Robtard
This is going in circles and circles with you and Bardock now who thinks that 12 and not your 14 is old enough for a child to make a choice about having sex with adults...
This keeps going in circles and circles because you are ignoring the existance of consent, and you are not making an actual argument.
Is Peadophilia gross? I think we'd both agree that our opinions are yes, it is.
Is Peadophila right or wrong ? I am not arguing that...you keep arguing it though, and I don't care what the moral stance on it is.
Can a 14 year old give Consent to an adult ? THAT is the argument. You say that a 14 year old can give consent to another 14 year old.....you are ADMITTING YOURSELF that a 14 year old can give Consent to sex...period.
If that is the case, then Consent exists..PERIOD. A 14 year old does not lack the ability to give Consent to an adult, if they DO lack it, then they can't give it to another 14 year old either.
Originally posted by Robtard
We as a society realize that children do not always make the best choices for themselves that is why we have age limit restrictions. We realize that maturity generally comes with age. If we realize that a 13 year old kid does not have the life experience to be trusted on making a conscience decision like voting for a president, or driving a car why do you think they can willfully make a choice to have sex like and adult and with an adult?
Blah blah blah blah blah blah.....
I am NOT arguing about the teenager's sexual maturity level. Enough....end it right there. I am Arguing about thier ability to GIVE CONSENT.
They CAN GIVE IT...end of story.
Originally posted by Robtard
Kids can consent to having sex with people in their own age group, that is part of growing up, we all do it and it is a step in our maturity process, but a 14 year old does not need to learn sex from a 40 year old. Children look up to adults for guidance and are very impressionable, it would be easy in most cases fro an adult to coerce a child into having sex against his/her will.
A 14 year old does not need to learn sex from a 40 year old. A 14 year old does not need to learn sex from another 14 year old EITHER....
I don't care about the moral or social standards. It is pointless to argue that with me, because I am not touching that topic with you....
ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT A 14 YEAR OLD HAS THE ABILITY TO GIVE CONSENT FOR SEX TO WHOEVER...DOESN'T MATTER WHAT AGE THE OTHER PERSON IS. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY.
You have noooooo evidense they that don't. I already gave evidense as with my own experiences as a 14 year old...im am not a special case, this kind of shit happens alll the fknnnn time....get with the program !
Originally posted by Robtard
Pedophilia is sick by nature of it, so ya, I think all pedophiles are sick. If a grown man/woman needs to resort to having sex with children to get off instead of having sex with another adult it is sick. I could really care less what two consenting adults do, be it vanilla sex or coprophilia, but leave the kids out of it.
Peadophilia is only sick in your and my opinion. To me a 14 year old having sex with a 40 yaer old is gross, but it's not true peadophilia in my eyes. Having sex with someone who is fkn 8 years old, is REAL peadophilia in my eyes.....a teenager is not a child. A teenager is someone between childhood and adulthood, not one or the other. What part don't you get ?
Leave the kids out of it ? Yes, I agree.....12 year olds and under ....real kids......should not be sexually active. Teenagers, are fine.
Originally posted by Robtard
If you really think that pedophilia is wrong why do you stand by and allow your friend of 30 to have sex with a 14 year old? What would the childs parents say if they knew?
My freind was 14 when she had sex with a 30 year old. She's 18 now. 🙄
I do think Peadophila is wrong. I don't think a 14 year old having sex with an adult is REAL peadophilia, beacuse a 14 year old is a teenager, not a fkn child.....
A child is someone who fkn watches Teletubbies, plays with sesame street toys, and doesn't know wtf sex is. Teenagers who masturbate together, finger eachother, curse each other out, do nasty shit already, are NOT CHILDREN...... Most 14 year olds do nasty shit already, what's the difference when they do it with an adult ????????????????
Originally posted by Lord UrizenBlah blah blah blah blah blah.....
That sums it up and how mature of you... Listen, kids and teenagers want to do many things but restrictions exist because people realize that maturity comes with age, do you agree? If you want to believe a 14 year old is mature enough to experience sex like an adult with an adult, then that's your problem; but 14 is still very young, teenager or not. Luckily society realizes that kids/teenagers mature in levels and that is why restrictions exist.
I ask you though, why 14 and not 13 or 12? What if a 13 or 12 year old wanted to have sex with a 30 year old and they insisted they knew what they were doing? Curious of your reasoning on age 14.
What's the difference between a 14 year old fingering another 14 year old compared to a 40 year old fingering a 14 year old? For one, one person is a mature adult with conscience of an adult and the other is a teenager, still going through maturity.