Originally posted by leonidas
possible, but i'd say not likely. i've never understood why galactus couldn't simply reabsorb the PC he used to make tyrant. he's taken power from other creations in the past. 😬
Tyrant is by far his most powerful creation. Maybe because of that.
I think Full Powered Galactus is the most powerful being, phyiscal being (of course not counting abstracts), Full Powered Tyrant being the second one.
Originally posted by leonidasyes i do know all that, what ii am saying is that his power isnt unlimited in asgard.
ummm . . . you do know surtur destroyed a GALAXY, right? and the sword kept odin from using his full power, which is why he needed the help in the first place. you also do know that when odin fought set, their clash actually sent shockwaves through the entire MULTIVERSE, right . . .?odin has some ridiculous high showings, but he also has some low showings (ie -- being unable to make arishem even notice him) which bring him down in perceived power rankings. at his highest showings, he has been depicted as enormously powerful. as regards the celestial conflict -- celestials were at one time considered to be top-of-the-food-chain in power. since that time, more of their origins have become clear and they have been humbled by other cosmic powers so they are not viewed the same way now as they were at that time.
mephisto has also been shown to fear odin at least once. and don't forget, mephisto stalemated galactus when galactus went to hell.
full power tyrant still beats odin, imo, but it wouldn't be easy in or out of asgard. and there is no proof that odin is stronger in asgard. no proof he can't summon his power outside of asgard.
i could show the scan, but i think others have seen it and would verify the bit about the multiverse.
all's i'm saying is is that sometimes skyfathers are a bit underrated on the forum when they DO have some crazy feats. odin in particular.
and there really is no evidence that odin is weaker out of asgard . . . by that reasoning, perhaps if he WAS in asgard when he attacked arishem, the outcome would have been different.
and your're right in saying his power is not truly infinite, but he has been called all-powerful many times. and of course, there are varying degrees of infinity, so who's to say, really . . . 😬
Originally posted by leonidasno skyfathers are tough but tyrants on another level.
i could show the scan, but i think others have seen it and would verify the bit about the multiverse.all's i'm saying is is that sometimes skyfathers are a bit underrated on the forum when they DO have some crazy feats. odin in particular.
and there really is no evidence that odin is weaker out of asgard . . . by that reasoning, perhaps if he WAS in asgard when he attacked arishem, the outcome would have been different.
and your're right in saying his power is not truly infinite, but he has been called all-powerful many times. and of course, there are varying degrees of infinity, so who's to say, really . . . 😬
i see exactly where you're going, i just don't entirely agree. odin and the watcher have been depicted as being equals or near equals. as i said, mephisto has been shown to fear odin (and mephisto has stalemated galactus)
fp tyrant is more powerful, i'll not argue that. but skyfathers are very much cosmic level and can give most beings a very difficult battle.
Originally posted by rotiart
Or maybe the editors realizing that some writers got out of hand, so they had to retcon it, because these writers were ruining continuity.Odin didn't incinerate them. He took back his power. The dark gods left on their own. Later Perrikus and the other dark gods were slain by Desak the godslayer, which shows that Odin didn't destroy the dark gods.
Odin simply vaporised the Dark Gods with a thought. There was a flash and they were gone. When Thor asked what happened he told thor their molecules were dispersed in space.
They must have somehow reformed themselves by the time Desak found them. Apparently he is somehow able to kill immortals. Desak killed all but Perrikus and Adva who escaped and later attacked King Thor.
The Odin Power (or Odin Force) is far beyond Tyrant. The history of Marvel is filled with (unaided) Odin Power feats from long before the Tyrant character was imagined, feats which very few characters have matched or exceeded without being artificially "amped".
Thor himself wondered, after realizing the extent of the odin-power's potential, why Odin didnt simply use the Odin Power to dispense with all of Asgard's past threats himself.
Originally posted by bigbran
so basically the odin power is beyond galactus too, right?
Yes. Galactus can't so much as wipe his own ass without his mechanical nanny.
While Stardust was talking crap to Beta Ray Bill about his god (galactus) and the unmatched power of the Power Cosmic, blah, blah, blah, etc., etc., and how he knows what true power is, Beta Ray Bill explained to Stardust that he really doesnt know the meaning of power and demonstrated that the tiny fraction of Odin Power given to him by his own "God," Odin, is more powerful than the planet-destroying amount of Power Cosmic given to Stardust by Galactus.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Odin has taken a hard hit in the last 25 years or so. Its sad but true.
They toned him down significantly, first when they went politically correct and having blond blue-eyed characters being numero uno gods was no longer acceptable, and then when the wolverine/hulk mindset started taking over and one-dimensional "rage" characters became in vogue and shakesperean dialect gave way to "growl" and "grrr".
However, this "toning down" was reversed and "explained" away in the last years of Thor comics as Odin choosing not using the odin-power' potential (as demonstrated before and after the "dark ages" of marvel) to defeat all (Thor said it, not me) prior threats to Asgard in order to maintain balance in the universe.
Originally posted by leonidas
as i said, mephisto has been shown to fear odin (and mephisto has stalemated galactus)
Nothing special is today to see someone stop Galactus, especially weak Galactus.
Originally posted by leonidas
in boston's defense, 35 years ago galactus and odin were pretty damn close to equals. !
He was powerful, but never close to being equal to FP Galactus.
Originally posted by bigbran
you just ruined yourself saying odin is above galactus.
why can i trust what you say?
Indeed, man. Saying Odin being beyond Galactus is just stupid.
And since it was said that FP Galactus is somewhere in league of Eternity and if aliveinboston says Odin sa clearly beyond Galactus, than Odin also wouldn't have trouble with Abstracts.
I think he thinks that in Asgard Odin could beat also Phoenix of the White Crown or LT.