Originally posted by superbatman86
As with all all threads with Iceman and Flash in them it's a stalemate because while they completely obliterate each others teammates they are either unable to hurt the other(flash) or unable to hit the other(Iceman).
Exactly true, except for one possibility:
That is, the Flash vibrates all the water on the planet into a gaseous form, and then uses his speed to localize it in one location, following that with a dump of ALL that water into the speedforce.
This assumes, of course, that the Flash also kills every living thing on the planet, as well.
Failing that? Stalemate.
Originally posted by SoljerEven then Iceman rips the water out of Flash and wins.
Exactly true, except for one possibility:That is, the Flash vibrates all the water on the planet into a gaseous form, and then uses his speed to localize it in one location, following that with a dump of ALL that water into the speedforce.
This assumes, of course, that the Flash also kills every living thing on the planet, as well.
Failing that? Stalemate.
Who's to say that Iceman does not have a sufficient amount of control over his molecules to keep them from being sucked into the vortex/heating to a gaseous state. Flash and Iceman both have control over kinetic energy. Iceman has control over the kinetic energy of his molecules, therefore Flash would have an extreme amount of trouble discorporating him.
Also it is said that he can be "a part of everything". If he was a part of Flash than he would know Flashes location at all times and be able to freeze him/ attack him any way he wishes too.
Furthermore Iceman, being a part of everything, could freeze everything/put a layer of ice over everything. Flash slips and flies into the nearest objects at near light speed. Although, like Soljer's Flash strategy, this strategy would mean killing every living thing on earth so unless they were fighting on some deserted planet or something icy probably wouldn't try this.
Originally posted by partiallyinsane
Who's to say that Iceman does not have a sufficient amount of control over his molecules to keep them from being sucked into the vortex/heating to a gaseous state. Flash and Iceman both have control over kinetic energy. Iceman has control over the kinetic energy of his molecules, therefore Flash would have an extreme amount of trouble discorporating him.Also it is said that he can be "a part of everything". If he was a part of Flash than he would know Flashes location at all times and be able to freeze him/ attack him any way he wishes too.
Furthermore Iceman, being a part of everything, could freeze everything/put a layer of ice over everything. Flash slips and flies into the nearest objects at near light speed. Although, like Soljer's Flash strategy, this strategy would mean killing every living thing on earth so unless they were fighting on some deserted planet or something icy probably wouldn't try this.
I'm not saying that Iceman couldn't resist being turned to gas, nor sucked into the vortex...but....the Flash can do both of these things far faster than Iceman could even THINK about reforming.
But, assuming that iceman could manage to exist inside the flash as well, the flash would also have to kill himself to take ALL The water out of the planet.
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I'm thinking current iceman wins, more often than they stalemate. This is a hard battle to describe.
Flash and Aquaman. Flash can do it by himself really. Just steal Iceman's speed so he can't move/attack at all. Then it's a simple matter of either flying (yes, Wally can fly) up to Storm and decking her, or stealing her speed, too, and then doing the same thing.
Hell, he could even create a whirlwind more powerful than anything she's ever dreamed off and knock her into things for the win.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Flash and Aquaman. Flash can do it by himself really. Just steal Iceman's speed so he can't move/attack at all. Then it's a simple matter of either flying (yes, Wally can fly) up to Storm and decking her, or stealing her speed, too, and then doing the same thing.
Hell, he could even create a whirlwind more powerful than anything she's ever dreamed off and knock her into things for the win.
Originally posted by montrail
Storms speed in a heartbeat:I'll be back with TONS of Iceman feats.
...You do know that "in a heartbeat" is simply a metaphorical heartbeat, right? It's just a phrase to say that she went really fast. Not ACTUALLY travelling all that distance within the span of a single heartbeat.
And, as fast as Storm is (why the hell am I even debating this?), she will look like she is standing still, or probably even going backwards, when compared to even the slowest incarnation of Flash.
So, in short, she stands no chance. Storm has a better chance against Wonder Woman than Flash (and by better chance, I mean Storm still goes down hard).
Originally posted by montrail
Um....Neither one of them can hurt Iceman, mabe Storm, but not Iceman. No matter how fast he's going. Iceman can just turn to mist and travell at high speeds and Speedy or whatever his name his can do nothing to him.Oh my.....
Oh lord. You're going to crash this thread, too? Fine.
Lemme ask you one question first. Do you know who Flash is?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Just steal Iceman's speed so he can't move/attack at all.
Iceman doesn't need to 'move' to attack. In fact, since he has no brain, only an indistinguisible consciousness, he doesn't even have NEURONS that fire. Regardless of this. Bobby simply exists as the entire world's water. Ice, mist, vapor, water, everything. Including the water inside everyone's bodies - including that of the flash.
Following this, he simply flash-freezes flash(Pun semi-intended), sure, the Flash would be moving billions of times faster, but unless he can come up with some way to remove ALL the water from the earth, AND from his own body....he isn't gonna be beating bobby.
I thought flash was able to steal speed. I didn't know he could freeze people. Iceman could just as easily slow his molecules to the point that they cease to vibrate. He is not invulnerable so it can be easily done to him since he is human. Now I am certain, I don't know everything about flash. And I would be the first one to admit, I hate characters (some not all) whose powers are not in the realm of common physics (there powers become unpredictable and writers can add powers for certain occasions). But explain to me how is it that he would vibrate or run or do anything if every molecules is frozen to -273 degrees celsius (absolute zero). Absolute zero is the temperature where molecules stop moving.
all he has to do is dump the water that Iceman is in currently into the Speed Force or remove it. and he'll do that way faster than Iceman's first thought. thats the gift of lightspeed. 186,000 miles per second. the average time it takes for human reaction is about 3/4 of a second. he'd be able to go around the world like at least 4 times and still have enough time to take Iceman into the speed force with time to spare.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh lord. You're going to crash this thread, too? Fine.
Lemme ask you one question first. Do you know who Flash is?