The Conservative Agenda

You know I love how Conservatives blab about the myth of the "Gay Agenda", or spread misconceptions about certain minority groups, people of other Faiths, and the total oppressive ideal of women and thier "place" in society, while trying to brainwash people under the guise of promoting "good ol family values".....

Well peeps, let us take a look at the Conservative Right Wing "agendas" shall we?

1) Make the rich richer, and keep the poor where they are.

2) Go backwards in time, upholding tradition, having the Bible become the book of all authority, even though the Bible has proven to be a dangerous source of authority by evidense of Salem Witch Trials, Inquisition, and prolongation of Scientific and Medical Discovery.

3) Keep the White Anglosaxon Protestant Male the top of the food chain, while white women, catholic minorities, hispanic men and women, latin men and women, black men and women, and every other minority must live in constant conflict with eachother unaware of the profit and benefits the W.A.S.P. Elite reap from our struggles.

4) De-rail social progress, hide the true evils of poverty, hatred, and discrimination by distracting us with the "evils of homosexuality, feminism, the Anthem being sung in Spanish, and hip hop music"

5) Prevent Blacks, Gays, Hispanics, Asians, Women, and the Youth in general from achieving the same status and power that the W.A.S.P. Elite have. Enlisting a miniscule amount of minorities to back thier cause through the relation of religion and "family values", pretending that they actually CARE about the lower class, but withdrawing the massive amounts of wealth and respect that all individual people deserve.

6)And Finally Brainwashing the multitudes of Americans to beleive utter lies. To beleive that every individual person has the equal ability to achieve high wealth and status, when certain privelages and aid are only given in plenty to the few, and rarely donated to others. Make us beleive that the Economy is flourishing, while our children are growing more and more into debt, and while jobs are being lost and millions of people have NO HOMES !

Do you guys want to know something interesting?

Did you know that:

- The wealthiest 1% of the American Population holds 38 percent of the total national wealth.

- The Richest 20% of Americans hold 83 percent of the total household wealth in the country, while the other 80% of Americans have to compete and scrabble for the remaining 17% of propery !

- Approx. 241,000 Americans, or 3/4 of the Top Wealthiest 1%, earn more than 1 million $ annually, while it would take the AVERAGE American, earning about $34,000/yr more than 65 lifetimes to earn $100 Million dollars?

Info from Article entitled Class in America -2003-2006 by Gregory Mantsios, also from Race, Class, and Gender in the United States 6th Edition by Paula S. Rothenberg

WAKE UP people.....

How can any True Right Wing Conservative call themself a moral person while these are the accomplishments and goals of the group???? How can one call themselves Christian, or dare to challenge the moral of another being while this atrocity has been done ?

The definition of "conservative" is "one who opposes social change," whereas the definition of "liberal" is "one who favors social progress."

If Heraclitus is correct that, "The only constant is change," then which position seems more logical?

Indeed. History and sociology are, generally, not on the side of certain conservative stances. Political power and influence can hold many things at bay for a long time, but in the end when it comes to extreme hard line conservative ideals it is likely they will become untenable with the progression of time.

Isn't this a General Forum Thread or a History Forum thread?

Originally posted by Alliance
Isn't this a General Forum Thread or a History Forum thread?

That's what I thought, but then I got the impression LU was trying to ask "How can a person claim Christian values fit with conservative stances due to the unkind nature of many Conservative views?"

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The definition of "conservative" is "one who opposes social change," whereas the definition of "liberal" is "one who favors social progress."

If Heraclitus is correct that, "The only constant is change," then which position seems more logical?

The definition of "conservative" is correct...the definition of "liberal" is not. The word you were looking for was "progressive" ...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

1) Make the rich richer, and keep the poor where they are.

Do you have a plan to get rich? Whats REALLY stopping poor people from making progress at least in the USA?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

Did you know that:

After I heard the first....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

The Richest 20% of Americans hold 83 percent of the total household wealth in the country,...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

...while the other 80% of Americans have to compete and scrabble for the remaining 17% of propery !

I have a big problem with #5. Who's stopping Blacks and Hispanics from achiving what? If you mean political status. Then the current major of Los Angeles (who happens to be hispanic) doesn't exists. Neither does Condiezza Rice, Jesse Jackson, Colin Powel.

Your #6 contradicts itself....how do I know you're not trying to brainwash me with your own propaganda?

Explain yourself young man.

Originally posted by Soleran
Do you have a plan to get rich? Whats REALLY stopping poor people from making progress at least in the USA?

I am SO FKN GLAD you asked that question, because I feel that may be the root to many answers.....

Myth- Poor people are poor because they made themselves poor through either laziness, lack of self esteem, or making the wrong choices.

Reality- Poor people are poor because of the intensity of Classicism that exists in the Capitalist Government of the United States.

Capitalism is designed to keep one class above the other, and on top of that the Conservative Aim is to keep the Elite at the highest point of the social food chain, while mimimum help goes to the poor.

Look at every statistic possible, and you will see that the majority of the impoverous in United States are those of Hispanic, Mexican, and Black people. Why is this? Racism my freind....

Racism and Sexism have a great deal to do with the poverty results in our country. Low funds are sent to schools in locations like the Bronx, or locations where a minority group primarily lives, i.e. "a ghetto"...while massive amounts of funding are sent to places like South Beach, Hollywood, Levittown, etc. where the majority of people who reside are white.

Women make less money than men on average. WHY? Not because of work ethic, because of sexism...men are paid more simply for being MEN. Employers are more likely to hire a white worker rather than a black or hispanic worker, UNLESS the black or hispanic are willing to labor for less money.

FACT- The majority of black, hispanic, indian, and asian men and women work hard ALL THIER LIVES, and are still stuck in the same place and class as thier parents...WHY? Because the system is designed to keep only the few on top, while the rest struggle for whatever resource and property is left.

If you would like me to elaborate more, and in further detail, I would be happy 2.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The definition of "conservative" is "one who opposes social change," whereas the definition of "liberal" is "one who favors social progress."

If Heraclitus is correct that, "The only constant is change," then which position seems more logical?

If he is correct, than Liberalism seems more logical to me. ✅

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I have a big problem with #5. Who's stopping Blacks and Hispanics from achiving what? If you mean political status. Then the current major of Los Angeles (who happens to be hispanic) doesn't exists. Neither does Condiezza Rice, Jesse Jackson, Colin Powel.

Your #6 contradicts itself....how do I know you're not trying to brainwash me with your own propaganda?

Explain yourself young man.

No Individual Black or Hispanic is being stopped by an Individual White Elite, at least not to my knowledge.

I speak of Blacks and Hispanics in General, as an ethnic group.

Classicism is not entirely dependant on racism or sexism, but the three are linked. Take classes in Sociology, or better yet, order a book entitled "Race, Class, and Gender in the United States 6th Edition" by Paula S. Rothenberg.

Every Article has been thoroughly researched and each article took no less than a Year to be published and accepted as historically factual. Then you will see where my "propaganda" comes from. If you would prefer i list specific quotes to back up my point, I will gladly do so, although they be a lot....

But without prior knowledge of economic/social history, you cannot claim my arguments as false.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
No Individual Black or Hispanic is being stopped by an Individual White Elite, at least not to my knowledge.

Well there you go! That's good enough for me. So #5 is VOID.

he's referring to the underclass, i think. would have been easier and even correct if he just said that....and far less to type as well.

:edit: actually no...i stand corrected. apparently all white men are "wasp elite" from what he says. i guess that means im getting severely ****ed over. WHERE'S MY CHECK IN THE MAIL DAMNIT!!!!! 😠

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Reality- Poor people are poor because of the intensity of Classicism that exists in the Capitalist Government of the United States.

Well everything in the sea isn't a Great White either huh, so it looks like there needs to be some differentiation, at least in my opinion.

Look at every statistic possible, and you will see that the majority of the impoverous in United States are those of Hispanic, Mexican, and Black people. Why is this? Racism my freind....

If I look at every statistic in the USA and then look at poverty in general I'm sure white would take up the largest number as a whole. As a percentage of population is an entirely different number though.

Racism and Sexism have a great deal to do with the poverty results in our country. Low funds are sent to schools in locations like the Bronx, or locations where a minority group primarily lives, i.e. "a ghetto"...while massive amounts of funding are sent to places like South Beach, Hollywood, Levittown, etc. where the majority of people who reside are white.

Yeah unfortunetly the rich pay more tax's, that in turn tends to generate more funds for their schools. (please lets not get into rich get tax breaks blah blah blah, they pay property tax etc etc and that is all calculated and spent where they live)

[/b]- The majority of black, hispanic, indian, and asian men and women work hard ALL THIER LIVES, and are still stuck in the same place and class as thier parents...WHY? Because the system is designed to keep only the few on top, while the rest struggle for whatever resource and property is left.

I'll bet a majority of poor whites are looking at the same problem. Who says working harder is the answer anyway? What does working harder mean, more hours, dirtier jobs what is it?

If you would like me to elaborate more, and in further detail, I would be happy 2.

You don't need to elaborate more, you need to continue to learn outside of University, give yourself an opportunity to stretch your brain instead of pipping in more of their view on society. Cuz it's not like I don't hear this all the time from University folks as it is🙂

It is slightly naive to think there isn't an agenda on both sides of the aisle of American politics. And in this case, it's the same agenda. Money and power.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
It is slightly naive to think there isn't an agenda on both sides of the aisle of American politics. And in this case, it's the same agenda. Money and power.

...first you get the money. when you get the money you get the power. when you get the power, then you get the women.

Originally posted by PVS
...first you get the money. when you get the money you get the power. when you get the power, then you get the women.

and the men.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
and the men.

Nah, since you don't get the power if you want the men, in the first palce.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
and the men.

tony montana didnt swing that way...to my knowledge...then again maybe he wanted to bang manolo the whole time.