Worst Metal Band Ever!!!!!!!!!!

Eww, at Dillinger Escape Plan and Norma Jean imo. But I couldn't agree more that metal bands pigeon-hole themselves into being generic. I definitely think you should check out Spiral Architect and Anacrusis though, you'd probably enjoy them, they are two of the few bands I respect for originality.

Nu-metal is hardly even a sub-genre. It's a place people shove bands that don't qualify into other sub-genres. Korn has little in common with System of a Down or Slipknot, but there they are being blanketed as nu-metal. Life is Peachy is one of the most original albums there are. I'm not a huge fan of Korn, but they were original. That said, after the first few albums they failed to really develop or expand.

Opeth is definitely a rock band at times. Undeniably on the Damnation album. They don't let them pigeon-hole themselves and I respect that.

Dillinger and Norma Jean aren't original in the slightest, really. I just think they're the best at the kind of metal they're making.

Someone said to me the other day "You should check this band out, they're like Converge, you like Converge.", who are arguably metal (And have lots in common with punk), and I just thought "Why would I ever listen to them? I already listen to Converge." sort of thing.

Point being, if there are many more bands like Dillinger making that kind of metal, there's no point in listening to them since there isn't anyone better in my opinion, in that area. General rock is different, I know many bands who make rock music better than other rock bands, but those other rock bands are still worthwhile ENOUGH. Metal is too limited for that, so I just listen to the bands that are the best, in my opinion.

-AC

I noticed that you are towards very technical metal. Unlike Dillinger and Norma Jean, Spiral Architect uses a very good clean vocalist and have noticeable jazz influence. They aren't really like anyone else I can think of. Plus, I think they are technically more talented than Norma Jean, I'll give Dillinger kudos from craziness. Anacrusis is thrash with a little death metal and progressive influences, highly original imo. They're prodcution isn't great, but Manic Impressions and Screams & Whispers are my favourite thrash albums after Master of Puppets and Horrorscope by Overkill.

I actually couldn't care less about Dillinger's technical ability, I admire it, I know it's there, I just dig their music. Same with Norma Jean, who don't seem exceptionally technical anyway.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
. Metal is too limited for that, so I just listen to the bands that are the best, in my opinion.

-AC

I know what you mean, why listen to Trivium when you can listen to Metallica being Metallica, but what do you find limiting about metal?

Originally posted by tabby999
I know what you mean, why listen to Trivium when you can listen to Metallica being Metallica, but what do you find limiting about metal?

Thats not my point, thats not the music being limiting, thats people limiting the music they play. And fans throw "sellout" around like its going out of style, its like emo, a overused and generally irrelevant term weilded by nobs.

Originally posted by tabby999
I know what you mean, why listen to Trivium when you can listen to Metallica being Metallica, but what do you find limiting about metal?

The fact that there's really not that much difference between bands, in the grand scheme of things.

It's not as varied as rock.

-AC

Originally posted by guitar dude 69
this is my fist thread and i thought a cool subject to discuss would be the worst metal band ever.

None 😄

Worst in the eyes of one can be the best in the eyes of another ✅

The Berzerker....enough said...

Most Grindcore screamo bands.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The fact that there's really not that much difference between bands, in the grand scheme of things.

It's not as varied as rock.

-AC

Yeah i get that, they all sort of follow the lest thing that worked, but again, isn't that the musicians limiting themselves not the music limiting the musician?

Most experimentation won't be in the realm of metal really. A lot of bands add ambiance and industrial metal bands add electronic music, but if they go too far into the experimental they are falling outside metal.

I see your point, though, and it is probably true that most of the limitations are imposed by the musicians themselves. There are few that venture outside their established music and there are a few. I've found that experimentation is usually done by band members in a side project. Like Quorthon of Bathory doing alternative rock under the name Quorthon, or Peter Tatgren of Hypocrisy doing industrial stuff as Pain. Other than side projects Damnation by Opeth is the only time that comes immediately to my mind where a metal band temporarily left metal.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I actually couldn't care less about Dillinger's technical ability, I admire it, I know it's there, I just dig their music. Same with Norma Jean, who don't seem exceptionally technical anyway.

-AC

Well, not sure if it counts as 'technical' ability, but in my opinion Josh Scogin produced one of the best vocal performances in the genre on Bless The Child. It takes something special to sound like a dying animal but still be intelligible and exciting. I really hate the whole judging bands by their technical ability thing (I know you're not, at all, just a comment), music is an artform, technicalities shouldn't come into it. Ever. I generally consider any group that make music I cannot stop listening to as exceptional, technical or otherwise, and Bless The Child is amongst my favorite metal albums of all time, so yeah.

Originally posted by tabby999
Yeah i get that, they all sort of follow the lest thing that worked, but again, isn't that the musicians limiting themselves not the music limiting the musician?

Yes. Metal is about as exciting as Lounge at the moment.

Originally posted by Deathblow
I really hate the whole judging bands by their technical ability thing (I know you're not, at all, just a comment), music is an artform, technicalities shouldn't come into it. Ever. I generally consider any group that make music I cannot stop listening to as exceptional, technical or otherwise, and Bless The Child is amongst my favorite metal albums of all time, so yeah.

There are times though when technical ability (or lack thereof) does arise as a valid issue, in the sense of it being clear that a band has had to settle due to their deficiency. It's often apparent in the screamy vocal style (to relate it to metal).

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Explain how this works, unless you're about to claim nu-metal, despite being a metal "subgenre", isn't metal purely because it's not heavy metal. That'd be dumb, so don't do it.
-AC

Fine, let me rephrase:

Korn isn't METAL*. They are simply Nu-Metal**.

*Genres such as Death Metal, Black Metal, Folk Metal, Power Metal, Progressive Metal, and the rest of the subgenres that, for the most part, sit well with the majority of the Metal fandom.

**Subgenre of Metal that uses the bare minimum of requirements to be Metal to the point where they are simply "heavier than usual hard rock." For this, the majority of Metalheads display little respect for it. I, however, do not love it or hate. I mostly hate the fans.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Fine, let me rephrase:

Korn isn't [b]METAL*. They are simply Nu-Metal**.

*Genres such as Death Metal, Black Metal, Folk Metal, Power Metal, Progressive Metal, and the rest of the subgenres that, for the most part, sit well with the majority of the Metal fandom.

**Subgenre of Metal that uses the bare minimum of requirements to be Metal to the point where they are simply "heavier than usual hard rock." For this, the majority of Metalheads display little respect for it. I, however, do not love it or hate. I mostly hate the fans. [/B]

So? Since when do typical metalheads know anything?

Korn, regardless of what kind of metal, are a metal band. It's called nu-METAL because it's a kind of metal. If that's what they are, they're a metal band regardless.

It's usually the people who obsess over labelling, that shouldn't be allowed the label gun. Everyone knows that metalheads who use ninety different kinds of metal genre are over-compensating for the fact that they listen to metal almost exclusively, and have almost no knowledge outside of it.

-AC

Funny how the "majority" frown at Korn when Korn has 30 million albums sold and most "tr00" metal bands are huge if they push 100 000 per album. Korn is extremely popular amongst metalheads. Metalheads are not elitist idiots. Elitist idiots tend to hate Korn. They are a small and overly vocal minority.

I actually don't mind sub-genre labels that much, but nu-metal is the dumbest commonly used one there is. Korn is not similar to Slipknot, nor System of a Down, or Linkin Park. Blanketing them together in the same sub-genre is a sign of utmost stupidity and shows a lack of knowledge of anything to do with the actual music.

Originally posted by Deathblow
Well, not sure if it counts as 'technical' ability, but in my opinion Josh Scogin produced one of the best vocal performances in the genre on Bless The Child. It takes something special to sound like a dying animal but still be intelligible and exciting. I really hate the whole judging bands by their technical ability thing (I know you're not, at all, just a comment), music is an artform, technicalities shouldn't come into it. Ever. I generally consider any group that make music I cannot stop listening to as exceptional, technical or otherwise, and Bless The Child is amongst my favorite metal albums of all time, so yeah.

I appreciate and respect Dream Theater, but I'd honestly rather listen to The Birthday Massacre, who have more or less no technical skill, than sit through one of their albums.

The music just says nothing to me.

-AC

Originally posted by Nellinator
Funny how the "majority" frown at Korn when Korn has 30 million albums sold and most "tr00" metal bands are huge if they push 100 000 per album. Korn is extremely popular amongst metalheads. Metalheads are not elitist idiots. Elitist idiots tend to hate Korn. They are a small and overly vocal minority.

Is it here, that you are wrong. Is Korn popular? Hell yes. Is Korn (extremely) popular among metalheads? Nooooo. I have had a first-hand experience with subcultures of many types of music fans. In the metal forum I am a member of, if you start a thread about Korn, you'll get a lot of either "I don't listen to them." or "I used to listen to them, but grew out of them." or sometimes yet "**** YOU, MALLCORE FAGGOTH! DIE IN A FIRE!!" Most of the replies will consist of the first two, I assure you.
"Wait!" You must be saying "If metalheads don't listen to Korn, then who does?!" The average teen. Mallcore kids. People who like "heavy music." Yes, Korn does have an audience. Just not the kind that enjoys Emperor and Amon Amarth.
I am not an elitist and do not condone hating people becuase of their taste in music.
And Alpha Centari is a hypocrite! Nyah! 😆