cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by jinzin
you mean like when he fights hyde? no you must mean when he fights namor? no i got it! when he's fighting the wrecking crew?!?! no that can't be it... no how about when he fights scorpion? hmmmm wait... you mean like when he fights cosmic cube induced red skull right? wait..... okay.... what DO you mean?

what happens when he gets hit with a 15 ton punch? probably the same thing that always happens.. he rolls with it... or uses it to expose his enemy to an attack.. or spiderman holds it back so it doesn't matter anyway. 😕

cap does have some degree of superhuman durability though. I mean hell the guy's head as been used as a wrecking ball to drop an apartment building on his noggin.

Or what about when he's webbed up so he can't move? Hmm... seeing as how Spidey's got a major speed advantage, I don't think that'd be too hard. After all, what's Cap going to do to stop it? Throw his shield? Ah, well, that won't work. I mean, we've all seen what happens then. 😕

Spider-Man isn't holding back, either.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
You said:

So I said:

Got it now?

oh wait you're reffering to the civil war issue? you need to have your eyes checked... spidey jacks his shield does some shifty camo mode stuff and then tries to take cap out with his own shield... doesn't work they engage in hand to hand.. before iron man interferes spearing cap through a brick wall at high speeds from behind (which is by the way another testament to cap's superhuman durability..) we get a nice little shot of cap landing a haymaker on spidey's face AGAIN, sending spidey flying again and this time in "spread eagle" lol.. he was certainly winning there.

Originally posted by jinzin
you mean like when he fights hyde? no you must mean when he fights namor? no i got it! when he's fighting the wrecking crew?!?! no that can't be it... no how about when he fights scorpion? hmmmm wait... you mean like when he fights cosmic cube induced red skull right? wait..... okay.... what DO you mean?

what happens when he gets hit with a 15 ton punch? probably the same thing that always happens.. he rolls with it... or uses it to expose his enemy to an attack.. or spiderman holds it back so it doesn't matter anyway. 😕

cap does have some degree of superhuman durability though. I mean hell the guy's head as been used as a wrecking ball to drop an apartment building on his noggin.

Even still there is no answer for Spideys webbing. ❌

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Or what about when he's webbed up so he can't move? Hmm... seeing as how Spidey's got a major speed advantage, I don't think that'd be too hard. After all, what's Cap going to do to stop it? Throw his shield? Ah, well, that won't work. I mean, we've all seen what happens then. 😕

Spider-Man isn't holding back, either.

and yes.. cis is applicable to these fights. sorry.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Even still there is no answer for Spideys webbing. ❌

Originally posted by jinzin
well now you're just changing the subject... so then do you conceed a spider punch isn't all that you thought it was going to be here?

and yes.. cis is applicable to these fights. sorry.

No. But I'm saying: what's going to happen when Cap's webbed down, and he gets hit with a couple 15 ton punches?

Got that picture in your head? Good. 😉

(From the forum rules: )

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability

Doesn't sound like that would include Character Induced Stupidity to me, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
i wasn't answering a question based on spiderman's webbing.. 🤨

Your were arguing points on Capts durability, and I said, its not going to matter. 😕

Originally posted by H. S. 6
You think a "peak human" is going to take that kind of a punch well?

Honestly. I want to know if you think his face won't be turned to a bloody mess (especially after multiple hits).

As far as I know, Cap's durability is no more than a human's at the best possible level.

If he can take hits from Mr. Hyde who is currently Class 80, or Iron-Man (In the very same scans), who is, even at base level, much stronger than Spider-man, then yeah. I think Cap could take a punch or two. How about against Namor? The Controller? Man-Ape?

What about a hung-over Cap easily keeping up with Beast's speed and agility, a character that is often compared to Spider-man in those departments? Scoprion? Doc Ock? The Executionar?

How about the Spidey robot that Kang created in the future? It had every one of Spider-man's powers, it easily matched Spider-man in combat, and when it engaged Cap, it analyzed his Spider strength and speed, and calculated that he would not be able to match Cap in hand to hand combat.

Does none of this make a difference? 😬.

EDIT: Shit. I notice I took too long to post, and thus, Jinzin already pointed out much of what I have written. Regardless, I believe my (our?) point still stands.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
No. But I'm saying: what's going to happen when Cap's webbed down, and he gets hit with a couple 15 ton punches?

Got that picture in your head? Good. 😉

that MIGHT be what you're saying now. you had no mention of the webs in your "sack of potatoes" post....

how cap does this?

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8198d2fc17.jpg

got THAT picture in your head? good! 😉

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Your were arguing points on Capts durability, and I said, its not going to matter. 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
that MIGHT be what you're saying now. you had no mention of the webs in your "sack of potatoes" post....

how cap does this?

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8198d2fc17.jpg

got THAT picture in your head? good! 😉

How long do you think he's going to be dodging webs before Spidey overwhelms him?

Originally posted by Soljer
If he can take hits from Mr. Hyde who is currently Class 80, or Iron-Man (In the very same scans), who is, even at base level, much stronger than Spider-man, then yeah. I think Cap could take a punch or two. How about against Namor? The Controller? Man-Ape?

What about a hung-over Cap easily keeping up with Beast's speed and agility, a character that is often compared to Spider-man in those departments? Scoprion? Doc Ock? The Executionar?

How about the Spidey robot that Kang created in the future? It had every one of Spider-man's powers, it easily matched Spider-man in combat, and when it engaged Cap, it analyzed his Spider strength and speed, and calculated that he would not be able to match Cap in hand to hand combat.

Does none of this make a difference? 😬.

Dont get me wrong, you bring up very good points, if spiderman would engage capt in Purely H2H it be a better fight, but Spidey would still take the majority 7-8/10 due to his superhuman qualitys alone.

But Parker is not that dumb, he knows capt is a better fighter then him, there is no answer for capt being webbed up and tossed around like a rag doll.

See what I mean?

Originally posted by Soljer
If he can take hits from Mr. Hyde who is currently Class 80, or Iron-Man (In the very same scans), who is, even at base level, much stronger than Spider-man, then yeah. I think Cap could take a punch or two. How about against Namor? The Controller? Man-Ape?

What about a hung-over Cap easily keeping up with Beast's speed and agility, a character that is often compared to Spider-man in those departments? Scoprion? Doc Ock? The Executionar?

How about the Spidey robot that Kang created in the future? It had every one of Spider-man's powers, it easily matched Spider-man in combat, and when it engaged Cap, it analyzed his Spider strength and speed, and calculated that he would not be able to match Cap in hand to hand combat.

Does none of this make a difference? 😬.

EDIT: Shit. I notice I took too long to post, and thus, Jinzin already pointed out much of what I have written. Regardless, I believe my (our?) point still stands.

see the good we can do when we join our forces together instead of bickering against one another? lol. good work.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
How long do you think he's going to be dodging webs before Spidey overwhelms him?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Dont get me wrong, you bring up very good points, if spiderman would engage capt in Purely H2H it be a better fight, but Spidey would still take the majority 7-8/10 due to his superhuman qualitys alone.

But Parker is not that dumb, he knows capt is a better fighter then him, there is no answer for capt being webbed up and tossed around like a rag doll.

See what I mean?

Originally posted by jinzin
yep I WAS arguing points on cap's durability. cause aparently you don't think any of his feats that suggest his superhuman durability mean that he infact has superhuman durability... so then you defect to webbing? it's a copout.. do you then conceed you were wrong about his durability?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Cap has shown a little more then peak human durability to be honest. His chainmail suit helps him slighty also, but it wont matter even still.

I say he could take 2, maybe 3 or spideys full strength punches at the most.

But I hold my point I keep eairler, spiderman webs him up, there is no way for capt to break free, then he spins him around into say, a pole, a dumbster, a car, through a store window, through a building, into the street, swings around town, then drops him from a 70 story building in downtown New York.

How was I wrong about his durability........and in a real fight, Capt is not closing the gap on spiderman, who is leaps and bounds faster then him.

Originally posted by Soljer
If he can take hits from Mr. Hyde who is currently Class 80, or Iron-Man (In the very same scans), who is, even at base level, much stronger than Spider-man, then yeah. I think Cap could take a punch or two. How about against Namor? The Controller? Man-Ape?

What about a hung-over Cap easily keeping up with Beast's speed and agility, a character that is often compared to Spider-man in those departments? Scoprion? Doc Ock? The Executionar?

How about the Spidey robot that Kang created in the future? It had every one of Spider-man's powers, it easily matched Spider-man in combat, and when it engaged Cap, it analyzed his Spider strength and speed, and calculated that he would not be able to match Cap in hand to hand combat.

Does none of this make a difference? 😬.

EDIT: Shit. I notice I took too long to post, and thus, Jinzin already pointed out much of what I have written. Regardless, I believe my (our?) point still stands.

I don't know much about Mr. Hyde, but if Captain America's taking hits from him, and he really is 80 ton strength level, there's something up there. Either PIS, or Cap is rolling with them. I can see Cap taking hits from Iron Man, sure; Namor, okay. The others I don't know much about.

By the rest of your post: are you really trying to say that Captain America's speed is on par with Spider-Man? 😑

Exactly. Assuming Cap simply dodged the first barrage of webs, and closes the gap, he will take it to Spider-man up close, and need not worry too much about the webs. Assuming Spider-man does an acrobatic leap backwards, Cap can tag him in mid-air. He has been able to perform much more difficult feats with his shield than hit a falling spider-man, afterall.

And, if he can chunk his shield through the engine of a tractor trailer, I think Iron-Spidey may feel it.

Originally posted by jinzin
probably not long at all ❌ cap might try to close the gap but if spidey fights smart he won't let him.

Exactly.

Thank you. At least we're getting some headway here. 😛

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Capt is not closing the gap on spiderman, who is leaps and bounds faster then him.

Good point, considering Captain America has managed to do it, what, three times now?

In the very scans I posted, it showed that Captain America has studied Parker to a T. He knows what is going to happen, he knows Spider-Man's likely responses, offensives, and defensives. Captain America is not only a MASTER combatant, he also knows all about strategy and tactics. He'll place himself where he needs to be placed. He'll make Spider-man fight HIS fight, and then get the upper-hand.