Originally posted by Apolloknightwell for starters you said he's nothing higher in durability than a human.. on the other hand cap has taken superhuman loads of punishment on dozens of occasions...
How was I wrong about his durability........and in a real fight, Capt is not closing the gap on spiderman, who is leaps and bounds faster then him.
Originally posted by Soljerhe certainly seemed to be feeling those punches just fine on their own.
Exactly. Assuming Cap simply dodged the first barrage of webs, and closes the gap, he will take it to Spider-man up close, and need not worry too much about the webs. Assuming Spider-man does an acrobatic leap backwards, Cap can tag him in mid-air. He has been able to perform much more difficult feats with his shield than hit a falling spider-man, afterall.And, if he can chunk his shield through the engine of a tractor trailer, I think Iron-Spidey may feel it.
Originally posted by Soljer
Good point, considering Captain America has managed to do it, what, three times now?In the very scans I posted, it showed that Captain America has studied Parker to a T. He knows what is going to happen, he knows Spider-Man's likely responses, offensives, and defensives. Captain America is not only a MASTER combatant, he also knows all about strategy and tactics. He'll place himself where he needs to be placed. He'll make Spider-man fight HIS fight, and then get the upper-hand.
Thats fine, he trys to close the gap, then spider-man leaps, with his 2 football field standing long jump abilities, away from him.
Your underestimating spider-man here, Capt may be smart and know tactics, but tactics can only take you so far against a much more powerful opponent who has much more options then Capt.
Originally posted by Soljercareful soljer.. you've just been victimized by the vs.-spider-fan-symptom
Good point, considering Captain America has managed to do it, what, three times now?In the very scans I posted, it showed that Captain America has studied Parker to a T. He knows what is going to happen, he knows Spider-Man's likely responses, offensives, and defensives. Captain America is not only a MASTER combatant, he also knows all about strategy and tactics. He'll place himself where he needs to be placed. He'll make Spider-man fight HIS fight, and then get the upper-hand.
you'll start off just trying to make good points and clear up misconceptions about things at one moments, a few spidey fan posts later and you're arguing in favor of against spidey lol.. just be careful I've fallen to this trap a number of times in the past.. which is why people think I hate spidey now.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Thats fine, he trys to close the gap, then spider-man leaps, with his 2 football field standing long jump abilities, away from him.Your underestimating spider-man here, Capt may be smart and know tactics, but tactics can only take you so far against a much more powerful opponent who has much more options then Capt.
Good tactic, however, Captain knows Spider-man, and his abilities. He will expect this.
Besides, look at simple physics, for someone to jump that FAR, they would also have to jump a bit HIGH. Spiderman is an amazing dodger, but he cannot fly. If he is simply falling, then Cap can VERY easily tag him.
Originally posted by Apolloknight"AND HAS PRECOG"
And Spidey dodges laser at point blank range and has pre-cogPoint Blank Range Laser>>>>Capts fist Speed.
exactly.... he has precog which allows him to dodge lasers..
lazers and bullets can't use his precog against him.. good fighters however can.. and have...
Originally posted by jinzin
"AND HAS PRECOG"exactly.... he has precog which allows him to dodge lasers..
lazers and bullets can't use his precog against him.. good fighters however can.. and have...
*nods* Lasers aren't aware of his spider sense. Lasers can't predict Spiderman's moves, and Lasers can't throw fifteen different (pressure point) follow up attacks.
Originally posted by Soljer
Good tactic, however, Captain knows Spider-man, and his abilities. He will expect this.Besides, look at simple physics, for someone to jump that FAR, they would also have to jump a bit HIGH. Spiderman is an amazing dodger, but he cannot fly. If he is simply falling, then Cap can VERY easily tag him.
Spider-man jumps around and dodges lasers and bullets in mid-air on a daily basis, you think he isn't going to be able to control himself when he jumps in this case.
And try not to apply simple physics to comics, Spiderman is far beyond that with is equilibrium. And Just because Capt does manage to get spidey in h2h doesnt equal a win for capt, spiderman has 7 freaking limbs moving at superhuman speeds 3 of which could kill cap with a simple stab through his torso or head.
Originally posted by Soljer
Good point, considering Captain America has managed to do it, what, three times now?In the very scans I posted, it showed that Captain America has studied Parker to a T. He knows what is going to happen, he knows Spider-Man's likely responses, offensives, and defensives. Captain America is not only a MASTER combatant, he also knows all about strategy and tactics. He'll place himself where he needs to be placed. He'll make Spider-man fight HIS fight, and then get the upper-hand.
And what, while Spidey sits back and lets Cap hit him?
Okay, so let's say we do get in close. What is Cap going to do, exactly, assuming he'll be able to keep up with him? Punch him? But wait, the armor is bullet-proof. I suppose that's not going to work. Throw his shield at him? We all know what happens then.
Please tell me how Cap's going to "get the upper hand" before Spidey either A) lays him out, or B) webs him down.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Spider-man jumps around and dodges lasers and bullets in mid-air on a daily basis, he think he isn't going to be able to control himself when he jumps in this case.
But you fail to realize that Cap tags people who, on a daily basis, dodge bullets and lasers like it's his job.
Originally posted by Soljer
But you fail to realize that Cap tags people who, on a daily basis, dodge bullets and lasers like it's his job.
And will it do him any good?
Like I said, with Spidey's durability, along with his semi-bulletproof armor, I doubt he's going to be feeling these "tags" much.
Oh, and the same can be said about Spidey. 😉
Originally posted by H. S. 6
And what, while Spidey sits back and lets Cap hit him?Okay, so let's say we do get in close. What is Cap going to do, exactly, assuming he'll be able to keep up with him? Punch him? But wait, the armor is bullet-proof. I suppose that's not going to work. Throw his shield at him? We all know what happens then.
Please tell me how Cap's going to "get the upper hand" before Spidey either A) lays him out, or B) webs him down.
Wait, so now 'bullet proof' means totally impervious? Go tell that to Kevlar.
And what is he going to do in close? How about...dodge spiderman's first punch, follow up with a body shot, slap his shield across spidey's face, and then hit him with a right hook. In ten seconds. Like he did in the scans I showed.
Originally posted by H. S. 6
And will it do him any good?Like I said, with Spidey's durability, along with his semi-bulletproof armor, I doubt he's going to be feeling these "tags" much.
Oh, and the same can be said about Spidey. 😉
Oh, and with his semi-bulletproof armor...so? Look at the hundreds of foes cap has tackled who were bulletproof. The shield is VERY superior to a bullet.