Originally posted by Alfheim
Of course he cant handle spidey thats why there are numerous examples of Cap fighting Spidey and giving him a good fight.
I cant believe you really think that a viable arguement. Usually a company isn't going let two of its most viable properties with each other and have a decisive winner. Thats why we have had Daredevil vs Namor, Namor vs Spider-Man, Punisher vs Wolverine etc. This is especially true back in the day where most heroes fought each other and no matter how miss-matched or outclassed they were the fight always made them appear as equals. Maybe if you name a recent incident.
Thats for another thread anyway, point is Namor is leagues above Cap and Steve doesn't have much of a chance of winning
This the quote from Marvel.com.. i have posted this already.
<<<<This is from Marvel.com
Namor possesses a high level of superhuman strength, enabling him to lift/press up to 100 tons while in contact with water; <<<<his strength gradually decreases according to the length of time he is out of water and can eventually dwindle to no more than slightly above human level.>>>>>>>
Ok marvel directory is out of date thats why I also had a quote from Marvel.com.
Again you are ignoring part of my post.
Originally posted by Alfheim
This the quote from Marvel.com.. i have posted this already.<<<<This is from Marvel.com
Namor possesses a high level of superhuman strength, enabling him to lift/press up to 100 tons while in contact with water; <<<<his strength gradually decreases according to the length of time he is out of water and can eventually dwindle to no more than slightly above human level.>>>>>>>Ok marvel directory is out of date thats why I also had a quote from Marvel.com.
Again you are ignoring part of my post.
And you're ignoing the rules of this forum. All combatants are at full potential meaning Namor starts out fully hydrated.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Nawww mate you failed its not common knowledge that he can lift 100 outside water! Its common knowledge that hes weaker were did you get that from??First of all
This is from Marvel.com
Namor possesses a high level of superhuman strength, enabling him to lift/press up to 100 tons while in contact with water; his strength gradually decreases according to the length of time he is out of water and can eventually dwindle to no more than slightly above human level.Thats official!
This is from a site called the Marvel directory
Namor can lift about 85 tons at peak capacity, although his strength degrades the longer he is out of water, to a minimum of 40 tons.
This written by fans but I dont think its official. I have read this in Marvel Universe though.
Quote Dark Crawler
<Namor's physiology is VASTLY different from humans>Yeah they can breath under water and your average atlantanean is only slightly stronger than human, apart from that there is no difference. You poke an Atlantanean in the eyes or kick his privates its going to hurt!
Loads of people have fought Atlantaneans over the years including the avengers on none of these occassions did I hear
"Damn I just punched him in the face and he didnt go down, I must study Atlantaean physiology".
Your blowing things out of proportion.
Quote Dark Crawler
<Besides, he would still need to have superhuman strength to apply enouogh pressure to nerve points of someone who is millions of times more durable then a human...>Bruv didnt you hear what I just said. Captain America has beaten The Wrecker and My Hyde. The Wrecker 40 tons Mr Hyde 50. Namor was trying to kill him..... and he was dodging all his blows. Captain America has enough speed and agility to dodge Namor until he is weak enough.
Captain America was locked in a room with Demoltion man who was trying to kill him and his strength level was around 85 tons. Captain America just dodged him for about an hour and waited for him to get weaker.
At any rate toe to toe Captain America can dodge Namors blows, because thats what he did in the comic.
My God. You really are new to this, aren't you?
Comics are higher on the canon scale then Handbooks. They are written by CREATORS of the characters, people who give characters their histories and powers. Handbooks are not written by comic book writers. Handbook creators make mistakes. Many mistakes. For example, handbooks says that Captain America has mastered Judo and American Boxing. However, DIRECTLY after that, the stats say that he has mastered nearly all martial arts.
Namor has been Class 100 BEFORE and AFTER handbooks were created, and Bill Everett, you know, HIS CREATOR, has written him as Class 100. So has Stan Lee. Roy Thomas. Comic book writers.
Comics are higher Handbooks when it comes to official words. Namor is Class 100, and he has proven this through feats he has made in comics. If he is not dehydrated, he is as strong in land as he is in water. You can't argue against that. Look at the pictures in the thread I posted.
As for the whole pressure thing, I was referring to nerve points...Namor's nerves are not in the same place then humans...Captain America's punches and kicks would not affect Namor. Namor is faster, stronger, more durable, more experienced, and could end Captain America's life with one punch.
Even inexperienced Namor could defeat Cap:
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt16dm.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt24wn.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt32jx.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt49si.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt53nu.gif
Nowadays...
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor18vl.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor26el.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor31vu.gif
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
My God. You really are new to this, aren't you?Comics are higher on the canon scale then Handbooks. They are written by CREATORS of the characters, people who give characters their histories and powers. Handbooks are not written by comic book writers. Handbook creators make mistakes. Many mistakes. For example, handbooks says that Captain America has mastered Judo and American Boxing. However, DIRECTLY after that, the stats say that he has mastered nearly all martial arts.
Namor has been Class 100 BEFORE and AFTER handbooks were created, and Bill Everett, you know, HIS CREATOR, has written him as Class 100. So has Stan Lee. Roy Thomas. Comic book writers.
Comics are higher Handbooks when it comes to official words. Namor is Class 100, and he has proven this through feats he has made in comics. If he is not dehydrated, he is as strong in land as he is in water. You can't argue against that. Look at the pictures in the thread I posted.
As for the whole pressure thing, I was referring to nerve points...Namor's nerves are not in the same place then humans...Captain America's punches and kicks would not affect Namor. Namor is faster, stronger, more durable, more experienced, and could end Captain America's life with one punch.
Even inexperienced Namor could defeat Cap:
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt16dm.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt24wn.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt32jx.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt49si.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt53nu.gifNowadays...
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor18vl.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor26el.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor31vu.gif
Game. Set. Owned 😄
Dark Crawler ive looked at your links....Ok there are some points to you.
First of all there are examples of him doing amazing feats while he is out of water or just come out of water. For example him pushing that frieghter underwater.
he knock out Beta Ray Bill....Bruv...its raining.....
Also him breaking the bands of cyttorak will who said it was a Clas 100 feat you yourself said Strange wasnt concentrating. Also how do you know thatAnchor is 50 tons? Also when Namor is in that interdimensional ether Namor says he will <<<swim>> through it, swimming is bolded so what they are trying to tell you is that he is manipulating ti like water.
In all fairness there are somethings that you have a point with.
This is the thing though the facts say that Namor has class 100 strength in water but not out, so if you see him doing something regardless of how awesome you think it is obvoulsy this is what the writer thinks is class 100.
I mean Hawkeye doesnt have any powers but how come hes able to shout gones and weapons out of mutiple attackers hands, that aint possible but in the Marvel Universe that is not considered superhuman.
The same way that when you see Namor pushing a freighter thats what the writers thinks is class 100..like you said who does the research.
Quote MarvelPrince
<Thats for another thread anyway, point is Namor is leagues above Cap and Steve doesn't have much of a chance of winning>
Yeah of course this is why when Namor was trying to kill Cap he was able to dodge his blows and even survived underwater.
Basically this is what is happening you dont like Cap therefore when I give you an example of him going toe to toe with Namor you ignore it .......because you simply dont like it.
This is like me telling you that birds can fly and you disgreeing because you despise birds evnthough you can see them flying.
And excuse me daredevil may not be able to beat Namor but he can sure as well dodge him. Daredevil has fought Tyr.
It doesnt matter if Namor can push a freighter or whatever the facts are Cap has gone toe to toe with Namor...they wrote and thats it!
Originally posted by Alfheim
Dark Crawler ive looked at your links....Ok there are some points to you.First of all there are examples of him doing amazing feats while he is out of water or just come out of water. For example him pushing that frieghter underwater.
he knock out Beta Ray Bill....Bruv...its raining.....
Also him breaking the bands of cyttorak will who said it was a Clas 100 feat you yourself said Strange wasnt concentrating. Also how do you know thatAnchor is 50 tons? Also when Namor is in that interdimensional ether Namor says he will <<<swim>> through it, swimming is bolded so what they are trying to tell you is that he is manipulating ti like water.
In all fairness there are somethings that you have a point with.
This is the thing though the facts say that Namor has class 100 strength in water but not out, so if you see him doing something regardless of how awesome you think it is obvoulsy this is what the writer thinks is class 100.
I mean Hawkeye doesnt have any powers but how come hes able to shout gones and weapons out of mutiple attackers hands, that aint possible but in the Marvel Universe that is not considered superhuman.
The same way that when you see Namor pushing a freighter thats what the writers thinks is class 100..like you said who does the research.
Quote MarvelPrince
<Thats for another thread anyway, point is Namor is leagues above Cap and Steve doesn't have much of a chance of winning>Yeah of course this is why when Namor was trying to kill Cap he was able to dodge his blows and even survived underwater.
Basically this is what is happening you dont like Cap therefore when I give you an example of him going toe to toe with Namor you ignore it .......because you simply dont like it.
This is like me telling you that birds can fly and you disgreeing because you despise birds evnthough you can see them flying.
And excuse me daredevil may not be able to beat Namor but he can sure as well dodge him. Daredevil has fought Tyr.
It doesnt matter if Namor can push a freighter or whatever the facts are Cap has gone toe to toe with Namor...they wrote and thats it!
Ummm...it's kind of assumed that Namor is at his full power in this fight, straight from water. Being hydrated is Namor's natural way of being. If he was dehydrated, that would be weaker Namor. Namor was born in water. He has lived there his whole life. Namor is on his element when he is on water. And in this fight, both fighters are in full power, which means that Namor is not dehydrated, he is straight out of water.
And in your example, Namor was mindcontrolled. Mindcontrolled people do not fight as well as normal. And Daredevil can't dodge Namor all the time...Namor happens to be faster then Daredevil too.
Namor defeats Cap. Cap has only gone toe to toe with mindcontrolled Namor. Every time Namor has fought Cap, even when holding back, he has won with ease. You can't fight against facts.
damn......well all i can say is this Namor obvoulsy has gotten more powerful, because he did fight Namor when he was in beserker rage, yeah and Namor was fully hydrated, they had just come out of the water and Cap was dodging his blows.
Im sorry I cant remember the exact issue but it was in the early 90s and I think it outdates your first set of pics but is not as new as the second
As for the handbooks, they may not be wriiten by the writers but they are obvoulsy still approved by Marvel. As far as I know Marvel.com is <<<not>>> out of date.
Well all I can say is that maybe Cap will beat him in the future, beacuse he has done it before. I have to admit sometimes when you read one comic you see a hero being made a total ass off and sometimes not.
Yeah well Cap was mindcontrolled when fought Iceman and Beast and he almost killed them both! So mind control does not neccessarily make you weaker.
When Namor was mindcontrolled he was even more danegrous because he was not holding back, you cant ignore that so really he should have lost, also Captain America was fighting him when he was fully hydrated.
All I can say is this Namor has got tougher, at one point Cap might have been able to beat him but if he can do that now....damn!
The vs forum isn't designed for arguments to simply be composed of "He fought him in this comic and did well." If that was all there was to it there would be no point in the forum at all. Characters are lowered and heightened regularly to suit a story. It's called plot induced stupidity. And it's usually disregarded as one has to take into account the strengths and weaknesses of both parties. Namor is a class 100, with superspeed, flight, ample fighting skills.
Beast should tear Captain America's face off. Iceman should freeze the blood in his veins. Namor should knock Captain America's head off with a punch.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah well Cap was mindcontrolled when fought Iceman and Beast and he almost killed them both! So mind control does not neccessarily make you weaker.When Namor was mindcontrolled he was even more danegrous because he was not holding back, you cant ignore that so really he should have lost, also Captain America was fighting him when he was fully hydrated.
All I can say is this Namor has got tougher, at one point Cap might have been able to beat him but if he can do that now....damn!
How did Cap almost kill Beast and Iceman? That sounds like some horrible writing to me.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The vs forum isn't designed for arguments to simply be composed of "He fought him in this comic and did well." If that was all there was to it there would be no point in the forum at all. Characters are lowered and heightened regularly to suit a story. It's called plot induced stupidity. And it's usually disregarded as one has to take into account the strengths and weaknesses of both parties. Namor is a class 100, with superspeed, flight, ample fighting skills.Beast should tear Captain America's face off. Iceman should freeze the blood in his veins. Namor should knock Captain America's head off with a punch.
Co-signed.
God here we go....
Quote DarK Crawler
<When Namor is not mindcontrolled, he is more dangerous. He uses his skill.>
Thats one way of looking at it, but as I said he...was..trying to...kill...him.
<I don't remember any point when Cap has been able to beat Namor. namor has always been stronger and faster then Cap.>
Yeah he is now, but you havent read the issue of Captain America, he may not have been using strategy but he was in a besreker rage, when you are in a besreker rage you tend to be stronger and faster.
Quote xmarksthe spot
<Characters are lowered and heightened regularly to suit a story. It's called plot induced stupidity.>
Yes thats true sometimes. But in all fairness when I gave you eaxmples of the Rhino, Mr Hyde and The Wrecker you fcoused on the Rhino and ignored the other two.
When I got those quotes you focused on Marvel directory and ignored Marvel.com
xmarksthespot what you do is just compltely reject anything you dont like.
The fact of the matter is this until marvelprince had got those pics out I still had a point.
Namor had just got out of the water he is fully hydrated and beserk.
Cap dodged all his blows, basically thats it, but what your doing is just saying its not possible. If Cap cant dodge Namors blow how come he did it, was he on drugs no, was he mind-controlled no, did he have extra super powers no. Therefore until Prince got his pics out Cap could have taken Namor.
Its not like When Namor is fighting Beta Ray Bill then it starts raining!
Quote Metalmanx
<How did Cap almost kill Beast and Iceman? That sounds like some horrible writing to me.>
Infinity Crusade Cap had dealt with Iceman and was going to chop Beasts head off when Iceman managed to knock him out. I cant remember the issue phone a friend call somone up and get it.
Quote xmarksthespot
<Beast should tear Captain America's face off. Iceman should freeze the blood in his veins.>
Yeah but they didnt, the only thing you can say is that Cpatain America was mind-controlled but apparently thats supposed to make you weak beacuse you cant strategise.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote Metalmanx
<How did Cap almost kill Beast and Iceman? That sounds like some horrible writing to me.>Infinity Crusade Cap had dealt with Iceman and was going to chop Beasts head off when Iceman managed to knock him out. I cant remember the issue phone a friend call somone up and get it.
Quote xmarksthespot
<Beast should tear Captain America's face off. Iceman should freeze the blood in his veins.>Yeah but they didnt, the only thing you can say is that Cpatain America was mind-controlled but apparently thats supposed to make you weak beacuse you cant strategise.
That's exactly why we're saying it's horrible writing. For one, how could Cap even "deal" with Iceman? And mind-controlled or not, Beast should tear Cap's face off almost everytime.
