Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote H.S.6
<Do you want me to make a Captain America vs. Iceman thread? Because I will. In a heartbeat.>Whats the point if youre just going to ignore me blantanly. Im not going to be joining I give you examples and you just completely ignore it.
You're ignoring the facts that Iceman could A) freeze his blood, B) suck out all the water in his body, or C) flash freeze him in an instant. You're also ignoring the fact that Captain America can do diddily squat to Iceman.
By the way, do you have scans of this fight of yours?
Originally posted by Alfheim
H.S.6
<What the hell is Cap going to do to? His blood would be frozen at Iceman's whim>So.....why....did......cap.....kick....his...behind.
Dude you don't get it 😆
If Capitan America beat oh, lets say, Cyclopes by rushing him from one-hundred feet away, and all cyclopes does is fire two blast from his visor at him hitting his shield, does that mean Cyclopes should always lose this way?
Why couldnt cyclopes, just, you know, take off is visor, and level everything in sight, killing Capt.
Ya dig.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Namor cant push freighters and lift destroyers...because I said so the fact that hes done it in a comic is neither here no there.He cant break the bands of cyttorak either...whats that you have an example of him doing it....nevermind i'll just ignore it.
I'll just ignore the writers.
It's funny how you're now ignoring what we say, and simply going off on your own immature tantrum.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote Dark crawler
<Compared to his usual showings, yes.>Thats beacuse he lost
...yes...Namor fighting NORMALLY would (and has not) lost to Captain America...🤨
Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote Dark Crwaler
<Like said before, mindcontrolled guys don't fight as fast as they fight normally.>Well ok how do you know he was slower? Im saying its a possibility but did Cap say he was slower, are there any indications that when the Controller puts on a slave disc that aperson comes slower.
You dont always become slower when youre under Mind Control eg Cap versus Iceman and Beast.
Because Namor is fast enough to catch missiles from air and dodge bullets with ease when he is not controlled...Namor's mindcontrol-stupidity was shown also when he did not attempt to block or dodge Captain America's shot to the throat...even though he has shown that he can easily dodge Cap and faster things then Cap.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote Dark crawler
<I have the issue here now...only time he dodged something was when he played dead. Every other time Namor either got him, or his shield was on the way..>Yeah of course he used his shield but I distinctly remember him ducking under Namor and hitting the Slave disc. Besides Cap is allowed to use the shield hes human for christ sake. Sorry I wanna see the fight from beginning to end I aint gonna take your word for it.
Yeah, he ducked under Namor when he was playing dead...like I said.
And I was supposed to take your word for it?
Sorry, in fight where Namor is not weak OR mind-controlled, Cap will get his arse handed to him in platter. It is a fact.
Well, here is the whole fight.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote Dark Crawler
<Do you realize that he would have no choice? All Iceman would need to do is to think it.>So why did Iceman get his *** handed to him then?
Because he did not use all his powers. Tell me, how is Cap going to escape this?
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Quote HS6
<You're ignoring the facts that Iceman could A) freeze his blood, B) suck out all the water in his body, or C) flash freeze him in an instant. You're also ignoring the fact that Captain America can do diddily squat to Iceman.>
So hes gonna stand still, actually Iceman tried something like that he got a face full of ice in his face.
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<Dude you don't get it laughing
If Capitan America beat oh, lets say, Cyclopes by rushing him from one-hundred feet away, and all cyclopes does is fire two blast from his visor at him hitting his shield, does that mean Cyclopes should always lose this way?
Why couldnt cyclopes, just, you know, take off is visor, and level everything in sight, killing Capt.
Ya dig.>
So um did I say that Iceman cant beat Cap. All im saying is that Cap has beaten Iceman before, so Cap can beat Iceman. Dont put words in my mouth.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote HS6
<You're ignoring the facts that Iceman could A) freeze his blood, B) suck out all the water in his body, or C) flash freeze him in an instant. You're also ignoring the fact that Captain America can do diddily squat to Iceman.>So hes gonna stand still, actually Iceman tried something like that he got a face full of ice in his face.
Quote from ApolloKing
<Dude you don't get it laughingIf Capitan America beat oh, lets say, Cyclopes by rushing him from one-hundred feet away, and all cyclopes does is fire two blast from his visor at him hitting his shield, does that mean Cyclopes should always lose this way?
Why couldnt cyclopes, just, you know, take off is visor, and level everything in sight, killing Capt.
Ya dig.>
So um did I say that Iceman cant beat Cap. All im saying is that Cap has beaten Iceman before, so Cap can beat Iceman. Dont put words in my mouth.
Captain America cannot beat Iceman, no PIS or CIS included. Ever.
If you doubt that, you obviously know nothing about Iceman.
Ok well can ti see the fight betwween Namor and Cap, but yeah your probably right.
As far as the Iceman pic goes, thats Iceman freezing something like a whole mansion in seconds right. How long did he take to do it, if thats seconds then I dont see what Cap could do.
Quote HS6
<It's funny how you're now ignoring what we say, and simply going off on your own immature tantrum.>
In all fairness both the examples I gave were a longtime ago. Im out of touch.
Do you understand that Iceman is a consciousness, embodied in ice? Meaning, Cap could literally do nothing to harm him.
What stops Iceman from doing this?
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Or this?
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You underestimate Bobby. ✅
To clear somethings up.
Yes, Cap did fight against Beast, but he hardly fought against Ice man who was busy fighting the Scarlet Witch at the time. Cap 'n Witch were under the influence of the Goddess who posessed the cosmic eggs.
Cosmic eggs >>>>>>>>>>>> slave discs. As they're nearly omnipotent. Goddess just made them to worship her and her "religion". She wasn't controlling them in the fight. So, Cap was fighting with his full will and added rage (Because he wanted to kill all who didn't follow Goddess)
And, Ice-man and Beast weren't actually trying to kill their opponents. Cap used to be Beast's friend, so I doubt Beast would use his full power against him. Besides, Ice-man wasn't as powerfull as he's today. He was more like a guy who could build ice structures and shoot ice (And he was covered in ice)
And, Beast was ape-Beast. The weakest Beast incarciation. Later on the story USA Agent nearly killed Beast.
Well lookthis is the way I see it. That pic of the mansion how quickly did he dot it? Was it instantly or gradually?
If it was instantly then Cap dont stand a chance. Nahhh im not buying it on this new information I cant really see how Cap can beat Iceman I just thought maybe if he can move fast enough he might stand a chance
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well lookthis is the way I see it. That pic of the mansion how quickly did he dot it? Was it instantly or gradually?If it was instantly then Cap dont stand a chance. Nahhh im not buying it on this new information I cant really see how Cap can beat Iceman I just thought maybe if he can move fast enough he might stand a chance
Nope. Iceman literally stops molecules from moving.
And the mansion was flash-frozen. 😉
Jyype ok this is what I have to say to this Ok he was enraged, but as Dark crawler was saying what you lack in rage is strategy and accuracy, so thats one way of looking at it. Eventhough he made up for it in power.
Honestly though Beast and Cap have similar skill levels I cant see how Cap cant beat the beast enraged or not.
Cap has beaten the US Agent;
Originally posted by Alfheim
Metalmanx obvoulsy whoever wrote the battle between Cap and Beast and Iceman didnt know much either.No im sorry Caps strength is similar to that of the Beasts. The Beast strength level is 1 to 5 tons. Caps strength is 800Lbs but he has been known to lift 1100lbs and according to one site he as lifted near to 5tons, assuming that the website actually showed a picture of him benchpressing at least 1100lbs then i'll assume they are telling the truth.
Caps and the Beast agility are similar, and yes I will give examples from handbooks beacuse eventhough they may not be made by the writers, they still have to be approved by Marvel. The number of times ive seen Cap and Beasts strength and agility calssified in similar categories is rdiculous.
Quote Metalmanx
<Don't tell me why I'm rejecting the example. You are not me, thus don't know why I do or say the things I do.>Bruv I am just going but what youre doing. Marvelprince gave me an example of Namor beating Cap...what did I do? I accepted it...but when I gave you an example of Cap beating the Beast and Iceman, you just rejected outright, what am I supposed to think. If I did what you did I would make some excuse up and ignore Marvelprinces post.
Also bear in mind that Caps fighting skills are much superior to Beasts. iceman can generate Ice but hes not fast or agile.
Beast's strength (at least before his secondary mutation [lion-like form]) was around 10 tons. <--Truth.
Beast has always been far more agile than Cap. Again, not to knock Cap or anything. It's not exactly an insult to say that you're below Beast in agility.
However, Cap DOES have the far superior fighting skills. However again, these skills don't mean much when your opponent greatly outclasses you in every other physical category.
Can you please tell me what happened in the comic you were referring to? As detailed as possible if you don't mind.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Let me give you an example
Me: Birds can fly
You: No they cant
*a bird flys past*
Me: Look theres one over there flying!
You: Its not flying they just have very strong legs...their jumpingOR
Me: Birds can fly
* A birds flys past*
You: Its not flying..
Me: Yeah but it just flew past
You: No it didnt...er...it had a jet pack on.Look ok please dont get annoyed im just trying to make myself clear.
I really hope you're not referring to me here. You seem to have ignorance and stubborness confused wtih logic.
