Captain America vs Namor

Originally posted by Alfheim
God here we go....

Quote DarK Crawler
<When Namor is not mindcontrolled, he is more dangerous. He uses his skill.>

Thats one way of looking at it, but as I said he...was..trying to...kill...him.

While...mind...controlled. Which is more scary? An retard who doesn't know which day it is, or a skilled assassin who knows what he is doing?

Originally posted by Alfheim
<I don't remember any point when Cap has been able to beat Namor. namor has always been stronger and faster then Cap.>

Yeah he is now, but you havent read the issue of Captain America, he may not have been using strategy but he was in a besreker rage, when you are in a besreker rage you tend to be stronger and faster.

No, he has always been. Can you give me the issue number?

And being mindcontrolled is not same as berseker rage.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Namor had just got out of the water he is fully hydrated and beserk.
Cap dodged all his blows, basically thats it, but what your doing is just saying its not possible. If Cap cant dodge Namors blow how come he did it, was he on drugs no, was he mind-controlled no, did he have extra super powers no. Therefore until Prince got his pics out Cap could have taken Namor.

Its not like When Namor is fighting Beta Ray Bill then it starts raining!

When someone is berserk, they usually don't aim their hits with the same skill they can and use the speed they have. Namor's aim is extremely good. Can you show the issue number?

Like said before, Captain America has NO. CHANCE. against Namor who fights with skill.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote xmarksthe spot
<Characters are lowered and heightened regularly to suit a story. It's called plot induced stupidity.>

Yes thats true sometimes. But in all fairness when I gave you eaxmples of the Rhino, Mr Hyde and The Wrecker you fcoused on the Rhino and ignored the other two.

When I got those quotes you focused on Marvel directory and ignored Marvel.com

xmarksthespot what you do is just compltely reject anything you dont like.

Quote metalmanx
<That's exactly why we're saying it's horrible writing. For one, how could Cap even "deal" with Iceman? And mind-controlled or not, Beast should tear Cap's face off almost everytime.>

Heres the difference betwwen me you. Until Marvelprince came out with the pics I was arguing that Cap could beat Namor. If I were like you I would start saying that its not pissible because of what happened in a previous issue of Captain America, but im able to be objective and take it on the chin.

Now you have an example of Cap almost beat Beast and Iceman you simply reject it cos you dont like it. The fact of the matter is it happened if you are just going to ignore events in the Marvel Universe I should be like you and jsut ignore Marvelprinces pics beacuse I simply dont agree.

If you must know Cap has similar strength as the beast and agility but he is a much better fight one and one Cap would cream the Beast.

So so tempted to do "Captain America vs Beast and Iceman" now... somebody hold me back...

And Captain America doesn't hold a dim candle under a shitstorm to Beast's agility.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote metalmanx
<That's exactly why we're saying it's horrible writing. For one, how could Cap even "deal" with Iceman? And mind-controlled or not, Beast should tear Cap's face off almost everytime.>

Heres the difference betwwen me you. Until Marvelprince came out with the pics I was arguing that Cap could beat Namor. If I were like you I would start saying that its not pissible because of what happened in a previous issue of Captain America, but im able to be objective and take it on the chin.

Now you have an example of Cap almost beat Beast and Iceman you simply reject it cos you dont like it. The fact of the matter is it happened if you are just going to ignore events in the Marvel Universe I should be like you and jsut ignore Marvelprinces pics beacuse I simply dont agree.

If you must know Cap has similar strength as the beast and agility but he is a much better fight one and one Cap would cream the Beast.

Woah, woah, woah, woah.

Don't tell me why I'm rejecting the example. You are not me, thus don't know why I do or say the things I do. In addition to that, you're basically brand-spankin new to the forum. Read up on some of the characters before you spout out nonsense like that.

I'm not "rejecting" it because I don't like it. I'm "rejecting" it beacuse it makes no sense. While you think you know a lot about Cap, you clearly know nothing about Beast nor Iceman. I asked you pretty politely if you could just explain as to how Cap "dealt" with Iceman and how he was close to killing Beast. Is that do-able?

By the way:
Beast's strength >>>> Cap's strength.
Beast's agility>>>>>>Caps's agility.
Beast's reflexes>Caps's refexes.

In a one-on-one fight, Beast would take home the majority of wins. And that's Cap WITH his shield.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So so tempted to do "Captain America vs Beast and Iceman" now... somebody hold me back...

And Captain America doesn't hold a dim candle under a a shitstorm to Beast's agility.

That's one way of putting it, yes. 😄

Hm...that thread may be too much in Cap's favor...try adding Gladiator to give the Duo a fighting chance.

😆

I seriously don't know why every new guy ignores this thread...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html

No Mentioning Events of PIS

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Or Captain America being able to take a hit from Namor or beat Iceman etc...

Quote Dark Crawler
<While...mind...controlled. Which is more scary? An retard who doesn't know which day it is, or a skilled assassin who knows what he is doing?>

You're telling me a beserk fully hydrated Namor is a retard.

Quote Dark Crawler
<No, he has always been.>
No he has not thats why he was able to dodge his blows

<Can you give me the issue number?>

Nope but I can quote Marvel.com
<Even still, the Controller continued his criminal activities. The Red Skull partnered with him to manipulate the Sub-Mariner into fighting Captain America, but the Captain destroyed the slave disc that was controlling his friend and the two turned the tables on him. >

You can go there and check it for yourself. If Cap cant dodge Namor how did he manage to survive.

<And being mindcontrolled is not same as berseker rage.>

It is if youve been mindcontrolled to be in one LOL.

Quote Dark crawler
<When someone is berserk, they usually don't aim their hits with the same skill they can and use the speed they have. Namor's aim is extremely good.>

Maybe but they also do more damage, works for the Hulk.

Quote xmarksthepot
<I think you really need to be around longer than a day to make a judgement call on what I do or don't reject.>

Im sorry but it just seems like your being one sided. I didnt say it to offend but its like your looking at the Respect thread but completely ignoring what I say.

Metalmanx obvoulsy whoever wrote the battle between Cap and Beast and Iceman didnt know much either.

No im sorry Caps strength is similar to that of the Beasts. The Beast strength level is 1 to 5 tons. Caps strength is 800Lbs but he has been known to lift 1100lbs and according to one site he as lifted near to 5tons, assuming that the website actually showed a picture of him benchpressing at least 1100lbs then i'll assume they are telling the truth.

Caps and the Beast agility are similar, and yes I will give examples from handbooks beacuse eventhough they may not be made by the writers, they still have to be approved by Marvel. The number of times ive seen Cap and Beasts strength and agility calssified in similar categories is rdiculous.

Quote Metalmanx
<Don't tell me why I'm rejecting the example. You are not me, thus don't know why I do or say the things I do.>

Bruv I am just going but what youre doing. Marvelprince gave me an example of Namor beating Cap...what did I do? I accepted it...but when I gave you an example of Cap beating the Beast and Iceman, you just rejected outright, what am I supposed to think. If I did what you did I would make some excuse up and ignore Marvelprinces post.

Also bear in mind that Caps fighting skills are much superior to Beasts. iceman can generate Ice but hes not fast or agile.

Iceman would flash freeze Cap in a second. Or suck the water out of him. Or freeze the blood in his veins. Or...

Are you really trying to defend Captian America against Iceman?

Let me give you an example
Me: Birds can fly
You: No they cant
*a bird flys past*
Me: Look theres one over there flying!
You: Its not flying they just have very strong legs...their jumping

OR

Me: Birds can fly

* A birds flys past*
You: Its not flying..
Me: Yeah but it just flew past
You: No it didnt...er...it had a jet pack on.

Look ok please dont get annoyed im just trying to make myself clear.

So why did his *** get pumeled
<Iceman would flash freeze Cap in a second. Or suck the water out of him. Or freeze the blood in his veins. Or...>

So cap is gonna stand still and let him do it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote Dark Crawler
<While...mind...controlled. Which is more scary? An retard who doesn't know which day it is, or a skilled assassin who knows what he is doing?>

You're telling me a beserk fully hydrated Namor is a retard.

Compared to his usual showings, yes.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote Dark Crawler
<No, he has always been.>
No he has not thats why he was able to dodge his blows

Like said before, mindcontrolled guys don't fight as fast as they fight normally.

Originally posted by Alfheim
<Can you give me the issue number?>

Nope but I can quote Marvel.com
<Even still, the Controller continued his criminal activities. The Red Skull partnered with him to manipulate the Sub-Mariner into fighting Captain America, but the Captain destroyed the slave disc that was controlling his friend and the two turned the tables on him. >

You can go there and check it for yourself. If Cap cant dodge Namor how did he manage to survive.

I have the issue here now...only time he dodged something was when he played dead. Every other time Namor either got him, or his shield was on the way...🤨

Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote Dark crawler
<When someone is berserk, they usually don't aim their hits with the same skill they can and use the speed they have. Namor's aim is extremely good.>

Maybe but they also do more damage, works for the Hulk.

We were talking about speed, not damage...

Originally posted by Alfheim
So why did his *** get pumeled
<Iceman would flash freeze Cap in a second. Or suck the water out of him. Or freeze the blood in his veins. Or...>

So cap is gonna stand still and let him do it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So why did his *** get pumeled
<Iceman would flash freeze Cap in a second. Or suck the water out of him. Or freeze the blood in his veins. Or...>

So cap is gonna stand still and let him do it.

What the hell is Cap going to do to? His blood would be frozen at Iceman's whim. 🤨

*sighs* When people defend Cap ignorantly, they make those of us who try to defend Cap intelligently look that much worse.

Cap Loses.

Quote Dark crawler
<Compared to his usual showings, yes.>

Thats beacuse he lost

Quote Dark Crwaler
<Like said before, mindcontrolled guys don't fight as fast as they fight normally.>

Well ok how do you know he was slower? Im saying its a possibility but did Cap say he was slower, are there any indications that when the Controller puts on a slave disc that aperson comes slower.

You dont always become slower when youre under Mind Control eg Cap versus Iceman and Beast.

Quote Dark crawler
<I have the issue here now...only time he dodged something was when he played dead. Every other time Namor either got him, or his shield was on the way..>

Yeah of course he used his shield but I distinctly remember him ducking under Namor and hitting the Slave disc. Besides Cap is allowed to use the shield hes human for christ sake. Sorry I wanna see the fight from beginning to end I aint gonna take your word for it.

Quote Dark Crawler
<Do you realize that he would have no choice? All Iceman would need to do is to think it.>

So why did Iceman get his *** handed to him then?

If I were to do what youre doing I would just ignore any example that anybody gives me from the marvel universe eventhough it contradicts what im saying.

H.S.6
<What the hell is Cap going to do to? His blood would be frozen at Iceman's whim>

So.....why....did......cap.....kick....his...behind.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Quote Dark Crawler
<Do you realize that he would have no choice? All Iceman would need to do is to think it.>

So why did Iceman get his *** handed to him then?

If I were to do what youre doing I would just ignore any example that anybody gives me from the marvel universe eventhough it contradicts what im saying.

That's a good question. Smart people call it PIS and CIS. 🙂

Do you want me to make a Captain America vs. Iceman thread? Because I will. In a heartbeat.