Sorry Jype ive never heard of the Ape Beast being the weakest incarnation, anyhow Beasts strength is from 1 to 5 tons in any incarnation, thats not far from Caps strength and apparently Cap has lifted over a ton before;
That's what I've heard. He really doesn't have any showings. Even the human Beast had more showings. He got better just before his Lion mutation, but that loong after Crusade. He was around 10 tons or so, current one is nearly strong as Spider-man IMO.
Originally posted by Jyppe
And, Beast was ape-Beast. The weakest Beast incarciation. Later on the story USA Agent nearly killed Beast.
Late 90s ape-Beast was the strongest one. Even back (I'm assuming this is shortly after Beast left the Avengers? Or when he was still on the team?) then, Beast was still in approximately the 10 ton range of strength. I believe Lion-Beast is weaker than his former self.
Dark Crawler, ok that makes Iceman very powerful. Cap will lose....but DarkCrawlar if you can I still wanna see the fight between Cap and Namor, only if its not too much trouble.
Metalmanx. OK fair enough Beast is stronger than Cap but not by a great deal, like I said Cap has been seen to benchpress at least 1100Lbs and apparently in optimum conditions he was supposed to have lifted in the 5+ ton range. Ok I think this is pushing it, but I think Cap can really unofficially lift 1 ton.
I do recall some trading cards that came out in 1993 were Caps strength and agility were put into the same range as the Beasts.
I also saw in the Marvel RPG game Caps agility was put in the same category as Hank.
Mate all the times ive seen Captain Americas strength and agility compared with the Beasts its always very similar.
But Cap is much superior fighter thats why he will win.
Consider this when the Punisher fought Daredevil, Punsher got beaten but beacuse he is a martial arts expert he got a blow or two in. Now in strength and agility the Beast and Cap are similar and trust me Bruv any Cap fan will tell you Cap is fast he doesnt always rely on his shield he can do backflips like the beast too, but like I said he he a much better combatant.
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nevermind some people have posted some clips and ive been proven wrong.
Originally posted by Alfheim
ok im confuded I thought there were two beasts....human looking beast and blue skin beast.....damn you mean theres a third one?
Different incarnations, same man. For more info check out this link....
http://uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=57
Are you the guy who thinks Cap can beat Namor? You do realise Namor is the type of guy who has beaten the Hulk. Do you think Cap can take Hulk? Surfer? Thanos? TOAA? 😉
Anywho.
Cap loses to Namor. Often.
He loses to Spidey. Less often.
He loses to Iceman. No matter what.
However, I would give Captain America good chances against beast. He has shown, numerous times, to be a match for Hank. The Iceman/Beast fight had Iceman acting like an idiot, but it seemed a fairly accurate representation of Cap/Beast. Cap took beast another time, surprised beast with his speed, and beast even admits that Cap is "almost as nimble as I am."
I would say that Cap draws with Beast 5/10 or even takes a slight majority. But hey, I'll be labeled a Cap fanboy soon enough, so why not just give Cap 10/10 against Iceman 😄.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'll try to scan it. ImageShack has been acting a bit strange, but I'll see what I can do.
Poor Darkcrawler. He works so hard for Namor's respect. And than this happens.
Don't worry, my friend. It will happen eventually. Just look at Wonder Woman. Back than, everyone thought Rogue was stronger than her. Nowadays, she has quite the loyal following.
Me so proud.
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WillRules until you give me examples of Namor beating Cap I dont care, what youre saying is irrelevant Cap has beaten the wrecker who has fought Thor BUT, since I was given examples of Namor beating Cap I give in.
Will what is that link supposed to prove do you have examples of Beast beating cap? No in fact Soljer has given two examples of Cap besting Beast.
Most people actually respect Namor a lot...just look at SuperHeroChat or Newsarama. I've been trying to spread Namor Awareness.
Anyway, here is the fight:
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5381/captainamerica36513wy4.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2299/captainamerica36514od1.jpg
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5488/captainamerica36515ef0.jpg
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/8170/captainamerica36516qs8.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7493/captainamerica36517kz5.jpg
(Notice Captain majorly underestimating Namor's strenght...he is more like hundred thousand times stronger then Cap)
Now, compare that fight to this:
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor18vl.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor26el.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor31vu.gif
And you see that mindcontrolled Namor is nothing compared to smart Namor.
Originally posted by Soljer
Anywho.
Cap loses to Namor. Often.
He loses to Spidey. Less often.
He loses to Iceman. No matter what.
However, I would give Captain America good chances against beast. He has shown, numerous times, to be a match for Hank. The Iceman/Beast fight had Iceman acting like an idiot, but it seemed a fairly accurate representation of Cap/Beast. Cap took beast another time, surprised beast with his speed, and beast even admits that Cap is "almost as nimble as I am."I would say that Cap draws with Beast 5/10 or even takes a slight majority. But hey, I'll be labeled a Cap fanboy soon enough, so why not just give Cap 10/10 against Iceman 😄.
I would say it close, since they're both physical-type characters. But I would give Beast the slight majority, like 6/10 against Cap.
Originally posted by Alfheim
WillRules until you give me examples of Namor beating Cap I dont care, what youre saying is irrelevant Cap has beaten the wrecker who has fought Thor BUT, since I was given examples of Namor beating Cap I give in.
Wait...so if I say that Thanos beats Cap, you don't believe until you see Thanos actually beating Cap? 🤨
Originally posted by Alfheim
WillRules until you give me examples of Namor beating Cap I dont care, what youre saying is irrelevant Cap has beaten the wrecker who has fought Thor BUT, since I was given examples of Namor beating Cap I give in.
Check out Darkcrawler's Namor respect thread. there is one scan where Namor beats cap up with his own shield ✅
Originally posted by Alfheim
Will what is that link supposed to prove do you have examples of Beast beating cap? No in fact Soljer has given two examples of Cap besting Beast.
😆 Don't get all defensive on me. I never said it was proof Beast could beat Cap, you asked a question and I answered it, so don't attack me ❌ 😆
But I do think beast beats Cap 7/10
Namor 10/10
wonder woman 10/10
spidey 9/10
Wolverine 6 or 7/10
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Listen mate I dont think cap can beat Thanos, but the fact of the matter is that Cap has beaten the Wrecker who has fought Thor. Will rule was talking about Namor NOT Thanos.
The reason why Namor can beat Cap now is because he obvoulsy is more powerful. How else do you explain the fact that Cap actually put up a good fight on the ealirer example ( BEFORE the mind control fight). If Namor was still at that level Cap could possibly beat him second time around.
As for Beast considering that Cap has bested him twice it seems you dont think he would probably win again, the cat beast looks scarey......
Originally posted by Alfheim
Listen mate I dont think cap can beat Thanos, but the fact of the matter is that Cap has beaten the Wrecker who has fought Thor. Will rule was talking about Namor NOT Thanos.The reason why Namor can beat Cap now is because he obvoulsy is more powerful. How else do you explain the fact that Cap actually put up a good fight on the ealirer example ( BEFORE the mind control fight). If Namor was still at that level Cap could possibly beat him second time around.
As for Beast considering that Cap has bested him twice it seems you dont think he would probably win again, the cat beast looks scarey......
Ah, yes. The Chuck Austen issue where Cap defeated the one of the Wrecking Crew with one punch in the jaw....whereas Thor's hammer to the head couldn't....
Originally posted by Alfheim
Listen mate I dont think cap can beat Thanos, but the fact of the matter is that Cap has beaten the Wrecker who has fought Thor. Will rule was talking about Namor NOT Thanos.
The Wrecker was at Class 40 levels when he fought Cap, and the ONLY time he even put up a fight against Thor was when Thor was majorly weakened.
Originally posted by Alfheim
The reason why Namor can beat Cap now is because he obvoulsy is more powerful. How else do you explain the fact that Cap actually put up a good fight on the ealirer example ( BEFORE the mind control fight). If Namor was still at that level Cap could possibly beat him second time around.
Umm...you mean this fight?
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt16dm.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt24wn.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt32jx.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt49si.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvscapt53nu.gif
Because (inexperienced) Namor is beating Cap there too. Cap did zero damage.
Cap has had NEVER had a chance against Namor who fights without mindcontrol.
Draco so now there are two examples of Cap beating the Wrecking Crew. Ok in that issue were there four of the wrecking crew? If so that means they can lift 10 tons each, so it is very possible that Cap could knock a 10 toner out.
What I was refering to was when Cap fought the Wrecker alone in the Avengers on his own the wrecker can lift 40 tons.
