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Sorry, but no.
Sourcebooks are as acanon as anything else in story info, ROTS novelization's info is canon as well. Don't even try. LFL's canon policy>You

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sorry, but no.
Sourcebooks are as acanon as anything else in story info, ROTS novelization's info is canon as well. Don't even try. LFL's canon policy>You

Where is it in the policy that RPG books could possibly be considered canon? The ROTS novel contradicts the movie many times, so it is invalid.

And yet again, George Lucas is the only authority of comparing 2 characters. Tom Veitch never compared two characters that he created, therefore its just an opinion

Nope, sorry! novelizations are canon and the informaiton in them goes! Too bad, sorry. And the c-canon definition includes game and sourcebook stories, sorry!

Tom Veitch states said characters which he had a hand in are beneath canon characters. Open and shut.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Nope, sorry! novelizations are canon and the informaiton in them goes! Too bad, sorry. And the c-canon definition includes game and sourcebook stories, sorry!

Tom Veitch states said characters which he had a hand in are beneath canon characters. Open and shut.

I ask again...proof?

Normally a novelization would indeed be canon, except it is contradicted by a higher level of canon(the movies).

And again...TV doesnt have authority to say his characters are beneath Lucas' creation, just like he wouldnt have authority to say his characters are above Lucas' creations.

C-canon is defined as everything else. Now, why would sourcebooks not be canon? Dan Wallace clarified they're just as canon as books or comics. From Chee's B-log I believe:

never seen by the public). Elements coming directly from Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources (it's possible that movie novelizations contradict the movies or other EU sources) is C-canon (see below).

When the matter of changes between movie versions is brought up, the remastered editions are deemed superior to the theatrical ones, since they correct mistakes and 'improve' consistency between the two trilogies. They also express Lucas' "original" intention (although not plausible at the time of their filming) and also final word.

C-canon is "common" or pretty much everything in the Expanded Universe: Star Wars books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case as generally only the stories are C-canon while things like stats and gameplay may not be (they also offer non-canonical options to the player, like choosing female gender to a canonically male character). C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon. (This includes: the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters, Salporin, and Action VI Transports.)

Except in the cases? It doesn't. Novelizations are g-canon, can be used and have been used.

TV's a higher source than you and he puts his creations as inferior.

Lightsnake, you're an idiot. Tom Veitch has no authority over characters he didn't create. Open and shut.

TV>You.
KJA>You.

I can't believe people're trying to go against actual LFL employees. It's really cute

Facts>Opinions
KJA=Opinion
TV=Opinion
You=incompetent.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
C-canon is defined as everything else. Now, why would sourcebooks not be canon? Dan Wallace clarified they're just as canon as books or comics. From Chee's B-log I believe:

never seen by the public). Elements coming directly from Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources (it's possible that movie novelizations contradict the movies or other EU sources) is C-canon (see below).

When the matter of changes between movie versions is brought up, the remastered editions are deemed superior to the theatrical ones, since they correct mistakes and 'improve' consistency between the two trilogies. They also express Lucas' "original" intention (although not plausible at the time of their filming) and also final word.

C-canon is "common" or pretty much everything in the Expanded Universe: Star Wars books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case as generally only the stories are C-canon while things like stats and gameplay may not be (they also offer non-canonical options to the player, like choosing female gender to a canonically male character). C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon. (This includes: the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters, Salporin, and Action VI Transports.)

Except in the cases? It doesn't. Novelizations are g-canon, can be used and have been used.

TV's a higher source than you and he puts his creations as inferior.

You could of just made that up LS. I wouldnt put it past you. Show us the actual log.

And TV might as well have no authority at all, as far as Sidious or Yoda is concerned.

Facts still support my argument there. And I'm afraid the opinions of the men who created the characters? Tsk tsk tsk.
Man, you take pathetic to a new level

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Facts still support my argument there. And I'm afraid the opinions of the men who created the characters? Tsk tsk tsk.
Man, you take pathetic to a new level

What the hell? Your not making sense....again.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, whine whine whine, GV. "I made it all up!"
Sorry, pal...your opinion= defunct

TV says people from TOTJ are below Yoda. Fits in fine with what we know about Yoda.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whine whine whine, GV. "I made it all up!"
Sorry, pal...your opinion= defunct

TV says people from TOTJ are below Yoda. Fits in fine with what we know about Yoda.

All you have to do is show us the actual log and Ill believe you...or did you really make it up?

Its his opinion that people from TOTJ are below Yoda. And its your opinion that he is correct.

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?forumID=24&start=15&threadID=152583&msRange=15

Ask Leland yourself.

And since he's the author, I'm inclined to believe him

Originally posted by Lightsnake
http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?forumID=24&start=15&threadID=152583&msRange=15

Ask Leland yourself.

And since he's the author, I'm inclined to believe him

Again...its not my responsibility to search for proof to *your* claims.

And you can believe TV all you want, it doesnt change the fact that your working with opinions. Only GL has authority to make definite statements about his own creations.

Look at the bottom of the page, the answer's right there.

And actually, LFL has perfect right to make claims...so with Yoda being calle dthe strongest Jedi Master up to the PT in an LFL approved material...well, that just makes it canon, don;t it?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Look at the bottom of the page, the answer's right there.

And actually, LFL has perfect right to make claims...so with Yoda being calle dthe strongest Jedi Master up to the PT in an LFL approved material...well, that just makes it canon, don;t it?

I find it hard to believe that they would consider RPG books canon, but I saw your proof and Ill conceed that point.

There is still the problem, that Yoda being the most powerful jedi master has nothing to do with the ancient sith.

Lightsnake for the last time, Tom Veitch has to have created both characters in order for his comparison to be fact. Your opinion that TV's opinion is fact, is unsubstantiated and meaningless.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Lightsnake for the last time, Tom Veitch has to have created both characters in order for his comparison to be fact. Your opinion that TV's opinion is fact, is unsubstantiated and meaningless.

Hes already been defeated on that point.