Marka Ragnos versus Shimrra

Started by Darth Sexy15 pages

Oh lightsnake, you are too much. They both bowed down to him, Kressh was convinced Ragnos was about to curbstomp Sadow, the end.

And he'd know anything about this how? Oh, right, they'd never seen a ghost before. So it's just more of Ludo's sycophantic personality coming into play

Any fear on Sadow and Ludo's part when face to face with Ragnos' ghost was fear of the unknown. They never knew it was possible for ghosts to exist, and thus feared what they were uncertain about. It's exactly the same way in which Bane was terrified of Quordis' ghost in Bane of the Sith. We all know from the comics that Bane would likely tool Quordis, so its obvious that he was uncertain of the capabilities of a ghost, and thus was terrified. For all he knew, the ghost could have instantly destroyed him on the spot. Why should there be anything different in Ragnos' case?

Oh right, because you KNOW they've never seen a ghost before.. Right.. And it's just more of your ridiculous anti ancient sith rhetoric that we've all grown accustomed to.

lmao, they had never seen a ghost before. I'll post some scans as soon as I can.

Considering how shocked they were when Marka appeared...no, they probably hadn't seen a ghost before

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Considering how shocked they were when Marka appeared...no, they probably hadn't seen a ghost before

Or....the more likely explanation. They recognized Ragnos.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Or....the more likely explanation. They recognized Ragnos.

Hey common sense, meet KMC.

Look, here you can see Naga Sadow saying, 'Marka Ragnos! But you're dead!', which shows that he is extremely shocked and never knew that such a thing was possible.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
How? It's the dark side, still...

Sure, it'd be logical that Ragnos died of natural causes, but it doesn't prove it.

Well, Tom is an EU eomplyee and he created DE Sidious, as well as had a hand in Kun and the Ancients, so when it comes to measuring power, he can say his co-creations are weaker

Even if it was based on the force, there are attacks that have proven to work on the Vong. For instance: Luke's green lightning. Sith magic could possibly work as well.

And your point is? We have more evidence, and better reasoning on our side than you do. In a debate, we would be the winner, even if something is not absolutely proven. Which never happens anyway.

Tom used Sids in his comic, but he isnt his creator. Only George Lucas has authority to make statements about Sidious and Yoda.

errr well Tom can technically say what he wants about DE Sidious since he did create him, but that's about it.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Look, here you can see Naga Sadow saying, 'Marka Ragnos! But you're dead!', which shows that he is extremely shocked and never knew that such a thing was possible.

And notice how Ludo says, "Master! Forgive us in our battles! We faught in your name!".

They were clearly afraid of Ragnos, and his power.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
errr well Tom can technically say what he wants about DE Sidious since he did create him, but that's about it.

He doesnt have rights over Sidious. He just 'borrowed' him.

edit - nvm.

Correction, it was ONE of the reasons Ragnos was leagues above Sadow and Kressh. Others would have him dying of old age, not being challenged(in a society that welcomes the apprentice killing the master), etc.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
They were clearly afraid of Ragnos, and his power.
Originally posted by Sith'ari
Any fear on Sadow and Ludo's part when face to face with Ragnos' ghost was fear of the unknown. They never knew it was possible for ghosts to exist, and thus feared what they were uncertain about. It's exactly the same way in which Bane was terrified of Quordis' ghost in Bane of the Sith. We all know from the comics that Bane would likely tool Quordis, so its obvious that he was uncertain of the capabilities of a ghost, and thus was terrified. For all he knew, the ghost could have instantly destroyed him on the spot. Why should there be anything different in Ragnos' case?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Correction, it was ONE of the reasons Ragnos was leagues above Sadow and Kressh. Others would have him dying of old age, not being challenged(in a society that welcomes the apprentice killing the master), etc.
Originally posted by Sith'ari
Any fear on Sadow and Ludo's part when face to face with Ragnos' ghost was fear of the unknown. They never knew it was possible for ghosts to exist, and thus feared what they were uncertain about. It's exactly the same way in which Bane was terrified of Quordis' ghost in Bane of the Sith. We all know from the comics that Bane would likely tool Quordis, so its obvious that he was uncertain of the capabilities of a ghost, and thus was terrified. For all he knew, the ghost could have instantly destroyed him on the spot. Why should there be anything different in Ragnos' case?

Except for the fact that Kressh learned under Ragnos, so he CLEARLY knew his power, so him being terrified is 100% accurate in this case..

You miss my point. When I say fear of the unknown, by unknown, I mean the sith spirit and life beyond death, not Ragnos as he clearly wasn't an unknown to them. They didn't know that it was possible for life to exist beyond death, and they didn't understand how a sith spirit could ever exist, thus they were terrified and they couldn't understand the capabilities and power of such a thing.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except for the fact that Kressh learned under Ragnos, so he CLEARLY knew his power, so him being terrified is 100% accurate in this case..

The thing is, they knew nothing about spirits, people naturally fear what they cannot predict and understand. For all they knew, Ragnos could have been 100X more powerful as a spirit.