Now look what the joker did with mxy's powers and didnt' even know how to properly use them. he was doing stuff like Thanos did with the IG but better. I doubt that Classic Beyonder could take MXY with the full knowlege of his power. Or better yet. Could you Imagine Darksied with that power? That would be a gooooood book to read.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now look what the joker did with mxy's powers and didnt' even know how to properly use them. he was doing stuff like Thanos did with the IG but better. I doubt that Classic Beyonder could take MXY with the full knowlege of his power. Or better yet. Could you Imagine Darksied with that power? That would be a gooooood book to read.
You can say the same thing about the Beyonder. Everything that we saw on panel was below his full strength. We never got to see the full limit of his power.
Before Beyonder was retconned, I doubt Anyone other than TOAA or the Presence would be Beyonder. He was millions of times stronger than the multiverse. mr. m. is still a 5 dimension imp. meaning he comes from another universe/dimension. And there are still tons of others like him. Unlike the beyonder. Even the phoenix force couldn't kill beyonder. LT and all of the other abstracts were in sheer fear of him. In no other instance in all of marvel history have they been in fear of anyone. During IG, they stood up to Thanos. Cosmic cube, no interference by the upper abstracts. HOTU, they didn't fear him, but they did still lose the fight. Beyonder, they genuinely feared. That says something. Beyonder all the way.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The classic beyonder wont' be beating mxy. Did you read what the joker did with a fraction of Myx's power?Mxy finds the queen of the 10th dimension and she eats classic beyonder. He was after all just a universe unto himself. Mxy wins.
A Universe that was an ocean to a drop of water when compared to 616 Universe.
And Actually Beyonder was EVERYTHING outside the Multi-verse.
"Beyond all known existence"..."this must be the Beyond realm"
"I am the sum of EVERYTHING Beyond"
Beyonder's not actually on that scope, so it's irrelivent.
'Classic Beyonder' very well could give Mxy a run, both are insane powerful, however Classic Beyonder isn't in consideration as far as the fight goes, because 'Classic Beyonder' as he is on the forum doesn't and never existed as per current continuity. He was a hoax, and Mxy would ruin Beyonder.
Beyonder is Millions of Times More Powerful than ALL the Rest of the Multiverse Combined.
This is power on an unimaginable scale and still...it wasn't all his power.
For Beyonder imposed limitations on himself...
And again:
Beyonder imposed limitations on himself...to avoid shattering the Multi-verse by mistake, something like this:
Just by Beyonder thinking to much....Suns Implode..Worlds Collide...Parallel Dimensions Collapse
Beyonder would blink mr. m away.
Originally posted by Mr MasterTough to trust anything a delusional hoax says.
A Universe that was an ocean to a drop of water when compared to 616 Universe.And Actually Beyonder was EVERYTHING outside the Multi-verse.
"Beyond all known existence"..."this must be the Beyond realm""I am the sum of EVERYTHING Beyond"
the reason why preretcon is called preretcon, is that he was ORIGINALLY written to be that powerful. The writers at that time opposed it, so it was retconned that beyonder WASN'T as powerful. However as written, at that time, beyonder was stated being more powerful than millions of multiverses, per the writers at the time. Its why we refer to him as preretcon..
Originally posted by rotiartSo 'Classic Beyonder' would somehow come through the timestream to battle CURRENT Mxy?
the reason why preretcon is called preretcon, is that he was ORIGINALLY written to be that powerful. The writers at that time opposed it, so it was retconned that beyonder WASN'T as powerful. However as written, at that time, beyonder was stated being more powerful than millions of multiverses, per the writers at the time. Its why we refer to him as preretcon..
I don't take him into consideration unless we're comparing characters of power through all of comics history, then 'Classic Beyonder' may be somewhere near the top, however most of his claims were just that, claims. And then turned out to be a hoax altogether.
Mxy would dominate the pretender with little effort.
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Originally posted by Juntai
Beyonder's not actually on that scope, so it's irrelivent.
'Classic Beyonder' very well could give Mxy a run, both are insane powerful, however Classic Beyonder isn't in consideration as far as the fight goes, because 'Classic Beyonder' as he is on the forum doesn't and never existed as per current continuity. He was a hoax, and Mxy would ruin Beyonder.
"never existed"?
What the heck are you talking about?
Explain this then:
This is 20 years after Classic Beyonder's Secret Wars.
Read Death's new bio(I hate bios)apparently Classic Beyonder that was supposed to be retconned, was not.
Actually the Beyonder who became Kosmos is very much alive.
It recently became the Maker...
Thanos says his only recollection of the Beyonder or Kosmos is Unlimited power...he repeats this.
This is Thanos after having possessed a Cosmic Cube that made him a Universe...after having the Infinity Gauntlet that made him "God"...after having THOU...which absorbed Living Tribunal.
The Maker was able to destroy the universe on a whim.
The Maker exerts but a tiny fraction of power and nearly kills Thanos while obliterating everything around.
That astonished looking fellow is Gladiator of the Shiar.
When Gladiator first encountered the Maker.
The Maker was rendered unconcious because it took on mortal form and it was spiraling into madness.
They wanted to kill the Maker in it's vulnerable state...Gladiator asks, "Can you kill a god?"
Here Gladiator calls the Maker "the most powerful being in the known Universe"...
and again refers to it as a god...but it' decided to take on mortal form, which made it vulnerable.
What never ceases to amaze me is how someone can think anyone other than TOAA/Presence is all powerful. Any thread, such as this one, implies just that. Only TOAA/Presence can take on "the entire multiverse", well...maybe Wolverine can on a good daywhistling1.
But seriously, neither MXY, Classic Beyonder, Thanos with HOTU, nor Pre Crisis Superman are all powerful, despite what some fanboys want to believe.
Originally posted by Juntai
So 'Classic Beyonder' would somehow come through the timestream to battle CURRENT Mxy?
As if that's a difficult task.
Marvel is famous for retcons that go back and forth.
Originally posted by Juntai
however most of his claims were just that, claims.
But it was the writer making the claim not Beyonder.
Originally posted by Juntai
And then turned out to be a hoax altogether.
Not a hoax altogether.
Beyonder was the totality of a Universe even while retconned.
This is a battle between POST-Retcon Beyonder and Kubik.
Yes...this is the famous issue that RETCONNED Beyonder.
During this confrontation the Universe is POST-Retcon Beyonder.
Kubik(at the time)was still more powerful though...
Originally posted by Juntai
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Luckily for him.
Originally posted by Juntai
You're saying there was no retcon then, Mr Master?
According to Death's new bio, there was no retcon.
For the record I hate bios, handbooks and anything else that's not on panel.
I'm just pointing out that evidently though he was retconned on panel, Marvel chose not to retcon Beyonder through those nausiating bios..
Originally posted by Mr MasterFunny that one would claim about how powerful post-Retcon beyonder is and then post pics of him getting beat up.
As if that's a difficult task.Marvel is famous for retcons that go back and forth.
But it was the writer making the claim not Beyonder.
Not a hoax altogether.
Beyonder was the totality of a Universe even while retconned.
This is a battle between POST-Retcon Beyonder and Kubik.Yes...this is the famous issue that RETCONNED Beyonder.
During this confrontation the Universe is POST-Retcon Beyonder.
Kubik(at the time)was still more powerful though...Luckily for him.
So you think a cosmic cube could toast Mxy like Kubik was doing to Beyonder?
I have a hard time believing that.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYea? What does the new Handbooks that have been coming out recently say for Beyonder? Does it still say he's actually a flawed cosmic cube?
According to Death's new bio, there was no retcon.For the recorrd I hate bios, handbooks and anything else that's not on panel.
I'm just pointing out that evidently though he was retconned on panel, Marvel chose not to retcon Beyonder through those nausiating bios..
Originally posted by Juntai
Funny that would claim about how powerful post Retcon beyonder is and then post pics of getting beat up.So you think a cosmic cube could toast Mxy like Kubik was doing to Beyonder?
I have a hard time believing that.
I was showing you that Beyonder after being retconned was far less powerful than his classic era, but he wasn't a hoax.
Post retcon Beyonder was still a Universe...but nothing like he was originally.
Kubik punked him because Kubik was more powerful being a complete Cube, while Post retcon Beyonder was turned into an Incomplete Cube.
Originally posted by Mr MasterI see.. But weren't most of his feats written off as 'playing along' by the powers that be?
I was showwing you that Beyonder after being retconned was far less powerful than his classic era, but he wasn't a hoax.Post retcon Beyonder was still a Universe...but nothing like he was originally.
Kubik punked him because Kubik was more powerful being a complete Cube, while Post retcon Beyonder was turned into an Incomplete Cube.
